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To: justlurking
But, the days of close-in aircraft dog-fights are long gone.

Depends on what the ROEs are. We've heard your argument before which is why the Phantom II was fielded without a gun.

19 posted on 06/18/2013 2:10:36 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
We've heard your argument before which is why the Phantom II was fielded without a gun.

The F-4 was a long time ago. The only close-in dogfights that occurred in Iraq were between an A-10 and a helicopter.

23 posted on 06/18/2013 2:14:06 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“We’ve heard your argument before which is why the Phantom II was fielded without a gun.”

The difference is the change in reliability of missiles over the last 60 years. The AIM-9 was pretty decent in the early 80s, when I was a WSO in F-4s, but the reliability now is much better. So is the weapons envelope, and so is the reliability of radar missiles.

In a modern dogfight, trying to go for guns is a good way of dying...


37 posted on 06/18/2013 2:38:35 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

The gun was great to have for CAS. Unfortunately, the USAF does not believe in CAS (look at all the respect they give the Warthog community, in spite of the fact that the ground pounders love the ‘Hogs). The Air Force ends up hanging bombs on fighters for their CAS missions.

Talk about the Su-35 and its airshow performance; the F-16 wowed’ em at the airshows. What did it end up doing? CAS. At least they finally put a gun on it.


75 posted on 06/18/2013 4:30:49 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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