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TWA Flight 800 crash not due to gas tank explosion, say former investigators
Yahoo News ^ | 6/19/13 | Dylan Stableford

Posted on 06/19/2013 10:12:41 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins

The reconstruction of TWA Flight 800's fuselage. (Daniel Brooks/Epix) The producers of an upcoming documentary on TWA Flight 800—which exploded and crashed into the waters off Long Island, N.Y., on July 17, 1996, killing all 230 people on board—claim to have proof that an explosion outside the Paris-bound flight caused the crash. And six former investigators who took part in the film say there was a cover-up and want the case reopened.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: flight800; sandyburgler; twa; twa800
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1 posted on 06/19/2013 10:12:41 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

This should be another interesting thread


2 posted on 06/19/2013 10:16:14 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Gee, you mean there was a coverup? The government lied to us? I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya.


3 posted on 06/19/2013 10:17:25 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Jim Speer, an accident investigator at the time of the crash for the Airline Pilots Association, who sifted through the recovered wreckage in a hangar, said he discovered holes consistent with those that would be formed by a high-energy blast in the right wing. He requested it be tested for explosives. When the test came back positive, he said, he was "physically removed" from a room by two CIA agents.

So why would CIA agents be taking part in a domestic airline explosion investigation now...?

4 posted on 06/19/2013 10:17:36 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Wasn’t there multiple eyewitness accounts of a missile strike?


5 posted on 06/19/2013 10:17:49 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: F15Eagle

is this the one where witnesses saw a rocket hit the plane


6 posted on 06/19/2013 10:17:57 AM PDT by turdhopper
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Sounds like confirmation of what a lot of us thought at the time and still do today.


7 posted on 06/19/2013 10:18:44 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: fatnotlazy

Well, you know the hundreds of eyewitnesses who saw the explosion were all lying? Right?


8 posted on 06/19/2013 10:19:33 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Clinton’s fault.


9 posted on 06/19/2013 10:19:48 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: fatnotlazy
I am open to new facts, until then I am skeptical.
10 posted on 06/19/2013 10:20:15 AM PDT by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz, Sen Mike Lee, and Sen Rand Paul are my adoptive Senators)
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To: F15Eagle

No way a conspiracy *this* big could ever exist. There are just too many people involved to pull it off.

/sarcasm

Now, which is bigger, a 747 full of people or a PDF file of a supposed birth certificate?


11 posted on 06/19/2013 10:20:47 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

TWA Flight 800 bump for later.......


12 posted on 06/19/2013 10:20:57 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

I remember James Kallstrom, the FBI lead investigator for the TWA 800 crash, changed his mind about the missile. In the beginning he said it was a missile, then he changed his tune right after that.

He retired from the FBI after this investigation after about 35 years of service.

He then became an investment banker with a Wall Street firm.

That’s how you know he was turned from the truth. How does a career gumshoe land an investment banking gig?

Can you say, “payoff”? I knew you could.


13 posted on 06/19/2013 10:21:04 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Obama getting back at the CIA?


14 posted on 06/19/2013 10:21:31 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

I can’t wait to see what Jack Cashill has to say and write about this!

Mark


15 posted on 06/19/2013 10:21:41 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

I have my boarding pass stub from TWA 800 from earlier in 1996 tacked to my office wall.


16 posted on 06/19/2013 10:22:52 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Reason #1 why I haven’t flown commercial since ‘96. If I can’t drive, and CCW, I don’t need to go there.


17 posted on 06/19/2013 10:22:57 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Supposedly, TWA 800 documents were among those stolen from the National Archives by “Sandy Burgler.”

Don’t be surprised when the government comes back and says “we have no record of anything like that.”

Mark


18 posted on 06/19/2013 10:24:01 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Finally those involved fess up — why now???


19 posted on 06/19/2013 10:24:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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20 posted on 06/19/2013 10:25:33 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Same date s TWA 800 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17_July_Revolution


21 posted on 06/19/2013 10:25:39 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Radar tapes from JFK and BOS were confiscated that showed live fire military exercises off the coast of long island when it happened.


22 posted on 06/19/2013 10:26:27 AM PDT by jimbo123
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To: fatnotlazy

Clinton mafia...


23 posted on 06/19/2013 10:26:48 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: battlecry

More likely little barry bastard boy is getting a dig into slick willie, for the recent dissing.


24 posted on 06/19/2013 10:26:51 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Liquid fuel vapors will only combust within a certain range of concentrations; too “lean”, they won’t burn, too “rich”, they won’t burn.

Remember “flooded carburetors”? Too rich a mixture.

I would think that the air in any fuel tank would have about as much fuel vaporized into it as physically possible ... therefore, how could it ignite?


25 posted on 06/19/2013 10:27:12 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Jack Cashill

http://www.cashill.com/twa800/


26 posted on 06/19/2013 10:27:25 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: All

Note it was a election year, and if Clinton thought it was terrorism, it could intrude on his plans.


27 posted on 06/19/2013 10:28:47 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

I don’t trust the government at all! But so far, there is no proof. Maybe the people who were forcibly silenced will be able to tell the truth.


28 posted on 06/19/2013 10:29:30 AM PDT by I want the USA back (If I Pi$$ed off just one liberal today my mission has been accomplished.)
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To: SVTCobra03
Wasn’t there multiple eyewitness accounts of a missile strike?

That is old school thinking. Eyewitnesses are only reliable for determining guilt or innocence in a court of law. According to our government, we cannot rely on witnesses.

29 posted on 06/19/2013 10:33:18 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Hotlanta Mike

They have nothing on Obama and his homeys.


30 posted on 06/19/2013 10:35:16 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

Well if you hit the gas tank with a SAM , just saying.

It was the Clintons then and elections were looming, so couldn’t be terrorists right.

Huh, kinda sounds familiar


31 posted on 06/19/2013 10:36:25 AM PDT by DanielRedfoot
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To: exit82

I could be wrong, but didn’t they pull him back for some part of the 9/11 investigation?

Also, as long as these guys are now spilling their guts, there was that egyptian jumbo jet out of nyc about a year later where it was jihaded down by the pilot, but that story changed later. Killed 211 in the atlantic


32 posted on 06/19/2013 10:36:34 AM PDT by jimjohn
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

No coverup here. Just some rogue agents in Cincinnati.


33 posted on 06/19/2013 10:36:43 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: carriage_hill
If I can’t drive, and CCW, I don’t need to go there.

Know what u mean. But the reservation is shrinking. What are we going to do when the noose encircles our lives completely?

34 posted on 06/19/2013 10:37:10 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

“What difference does it make??!!!?”

-Hillary


35 posted on 06/19/2013 10:41:10 AM PDT by crusader71
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To: Timber Rattler

I bet it was the same Lying Liarton’s that saw a middle eastern dude running away from the Murrah building in OKC. Those liars get around. /s


36 posted on 06/19/2013 10:41:24 AM PDT by MissTed ( Private Tagline - Do Not Read!)
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To: no-s

Then the “fourth box” becomes the only option remaining.


37 posted on 06/19/2013 10:45:38 AM PDT by carriage_hill (Guns kill people, pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk & spoons make you fat.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Once the tank is opened by the missle, air can enter, mix with the fuel vapors and combust.

Simple really.

38 posted on 06/19/2013 10:47:32 AM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: exit82
I remember James Kallstrom, the FBI lead investigator for the TWA 800 crash, changed his mind about the missile. In the beginning he said it was a missile, then he changed his tune right after that.

Within a couple of days of TWA Flt. 800 going down Kallstrom was summoned to Washington. It was after his return from Washington that he got behind the exploding empty fuel tank theory to the exclusion of all other possible causes. Kallstrom got his marching orders from his handlers at FBI headquarters.

39 posted on 06/19/2013 10:49:51 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

I never believed this was an “accident” this had to do with some kind of missile test gone wrong and it hit the plane..there were eyewitnesses who saw something flying towards the plane..but of course Slick Willy had to cover it up


40 posted on 06/19/2013 10:52:36 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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Never a doubt in my mind.
This was a terrorist attack using some type of ManPad off a boat.


41 posted on 06/19/2013 10:54:39 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins

twa 800 is to clinton as benghazi is to obama


42 posted on 06/19/2013 10:56:55 AM PDT by eartotheground
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To: battlecry

Could be.


43 posted on 06/19/2013 11:00:09 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Finally those involved fess up — why now?”

Because Clinton is running for President 2016, and TWA 800 was the Clintons’ first Benghazi.

Obamatollah and his Merry Marxists are betting on the adage, “Two points make a line.”

They’ll pop the lid on the TWA 800, then try tagging the Benghazi coverup on her too.


44 posted on 06/19/2013 11:01:38 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: DuncanWaring

The Sikorsky SH-53D flown by the USMC used to employ 500 gallon fiberglass ferry tanks to extend their range. Navy & USAF CH-53s had external tanks and did not need the ferry tanks.

However, after a USMC -53 was blown out of the sky by an exploding ferry tank, use of these tanks was prohibited. The accident investigation board believed that the crew chief removed the fill cap to check fuel level. Static electricity and inadequate grounding procedures most likely ignited the fuel vapors.

Jet fuel has lower vapor pressure than gasoline. Whereas the air over gasoline in a closed tank will become too rich to be explosive, jet fuel in a tank(Kerosine), with its lower vapor pressure, does have an explosive air mix in the tank.

We were investigating the possibility of flying our -53s to Europe and first tried the equivalent flight legs from North Carolina to Homestead, FL to Grand Turk to Roosevelt Roads, PR. We had to get special permission and give additional training to flight crews before we were allowed to use those 500 gall fiberglass ferry tanks.

An “empty” (having previously contained fuel) jet fuel tank will very definitely explode.


45 posted on 06/19/2013 11:02:16 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Freedom of Speech Wins
Since I have no knowledge whatsoever about what really happened, I reluctantly believe the thin excuse of the center fuel tank explosion, even though I don't ever remember any other incident like that, ever. And I wouldn't believe some guy who said he saw a missile either. But when you have over 100 people who all swear they saw a missile, it's hard to believe that 100 people all had the same hallucination or illusion at the same time.

"102 [eyewitnesses] gave information about the origin of the streak. Six said the streak originated from the air, and 96 said that it originated from the surface."

46 posted on 06/19/2013 11:03:27 AM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be what you might have been.)
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To: F15Eagle

I never really bought into the “gas tank explosion” conspiracy theory. I think that and the Egypt Air crash were both terrorist attacks OR “dry” runs for the future Sept 11th terror attacks.


47 posted on 06/19/2013 11:04:03 AM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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RE: Your post 44

You make very good points. I would never put it past Obama to do it.


48 posted on 06/19/2013 11:06:22 AM PDT by tsowellfan (www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: tsowellfan

El Moslemo and his cabal work in mysterious ways, but now that his mask has slipped, even bystanders can see his inner jihadi.


49 posted on 06/19/2013 11:08:11 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Great book, love how he tied up the ending.


50 posted on 06/19/2013 11:08:38 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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