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Right rips Rubio as Republican immigration votes slip away
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Posted on 06/19/2013 5:35:59 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: Sub-Driver
the Gang of Eight are mulling an increase of 20,000 border patrol agents along the southern border. This would nearly double the number of agents along the U.S.-Mexico border.<<

Will they fund the “Welcome Wagons” for 20k new agents too?....No need for new agents when the policy is Welcome to America!

51 posted on 06/19/2013 7:23:58 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Will88

I have been reading about the vitriol which the pro immigration groups launch at anyone who wants to secure the border. The plan is to do the exact opposite, this is all ridiculous.


52 posted on 06/19/2013 7:24:04 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

Allen West!!


53 posted on 06/19/2013 7:26:51 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Sub-Driver

I hope the house passes a tiny immigration bill with some widely agreed upon fixes.

These mega “comprehensive bills” are a disaster.

Interesting how Rubio says one thing on Spanish TV in spanish, and then says something totally different to conservatives. How can anyone ever trust him again.


54 posted on 06/19/2013 7:28:44 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Sarah Palin endorsed him, so he fooled a lot of people.

I'm not so sure. I knew from reading here at FR that Flake supported amnesty while he was still in the House, and definitely while he was running for the senate.

Arizona reelected the biggest amnesty pushing senator of all and then elected another to go with him after Kyl retired.

55 posted on 06/19/2013 7:29:02 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Williams
61 or 62 fools disloyal Americans.
56 posted on 06/19/2013 7:29:44 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: headstamp 2

And they’ll be forbidden to check immigration status of anybody or deport them anyway. Holder’s job is to make sure that laws are not enforced.


57 posted on 06/19/2013 7:56:13 PM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion
And they’ll be forbidden to check immigration status of anybody or deport them anyway. Holder’s job is to make sure that laws are not enforced.

If you have a large influx of illegals in your neighborhood, see if they suddenly start throwing off their hoodies, standing up straight and looking you in the eye. The ones I've seen in my environs have looked like the stereotypical border jumpers: bundled up in zippered sweatshirts with a baseball cap underneath and a backpack on their back. Will all that change as word works itself through the grapevine that the way is clear?

58 posted on 06/19/2013 8:01:12 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Sub-Driver; Liz; cripplecreek; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; ...
RE :”Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is feeling the heat as potential GOP allies are now turning against his immigration reform bill.
Republican colleagues who were previously viewed as possible “yes” votes are keeping their distance from the 1,075-page measure. .....
Potential Senate Republican backing for the legislation has begun to evaporate because of deep skepticism over its border-security and enforcement provisions.
In recent weeks, senators on both sides of the aisle speculated that 70 members of the upper chamber might vote for the Senate bill. That tally is now seen as unattainable.
Republican Sens. Mitch McConnell (Ky.), Rand Paul (Ky.) and John Cornyn (Texas), who were once viewed as possible supporters of the bill, are now expected to reject it.
Rubio, a possible 2016 presidential candidate, is seen as essential to passing the measure, but his involvement hasn’t persuaded many of his GOP colleagues to back it.
Many GOP senators say they want far more border-security provisions in the bill. “

Maybe they are not as dumb as they seemed.

Although I always expected McConnell and Rand Paul to reject it so that is not any surprise.

59 posted on 06/19/2013 8:03:22 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: Slambat

>> Could this be Rubios plan all along.

Not a chance.


60 posted on 06/19/2013 8:04:31 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is just another “mess” for The Won to inherit.


61 posted on 06/19/2013 8:23:40 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Sub-Driver
Sink it..."

Hell yes - and sink Rubio too. He could not have picked a worse person to align with than John McCain.

62 posted on 06/19/2013 8:24:03 PM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep one hand on my shoulder and the other over my mouth.)
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To: headstamp 2
Oh spare me. More bullshit window dressing on this pig of a bill. The agents will never be hired.

Even if they were hired, Zero and Holder wouldn't allow them to so much as glance sideways at the horde pouring over the border.

At this point, I don't give a damn what promises on enforcement come out of Washington. They haven't enforced the laws on the books up to this point, and Congress has looked the other way. They fully intend to ignore any new promises to stop illegal immigration, so F*** 'em!

NO BILL!

63 posted on 06/19/2013 9:55:49 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Slambat
“Sink it..............”

Could this be Rubios plan all along.

Not a chance. He's been defending this crap sandwich from the very beginning, as if it were his own child. He's been side stepping and fancy dancing in every interview, and talking faster than a New York city con artist.

He's sweating bullets now, because he's been exposed as a no good, worthless, lying, GOP-e huckster who's willing to do the dirty work to kill America and the Constitution once and for all.

As far as I'm concerned, the man is now permanently radioactive. He'll never get anything but scorn from me, for as long as he remains in politics.

64 posted on 06/19/2013 10:03:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Slambat
I’m not ready to write off Rubio yet. Let him learn his lesson.

If Rubio was a sixteen year old who cheated on an exam, while knowing it went against everything his parents had taught him, I might be willing to give him another chance.

This is a US Senator we're talking about here, who has broken faith with those who broke their butts to get him where he is. He lied to everyone who trusted him. He violated his stated principles in spades.

I'm sorry, but you only get one chance to make a bad impression. Rubio's done it, and there's no going back. The man cannot be trusted ever again.

65 posted on 06/19/2013 10:10:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Slambat
Sabotage.

You talk as though Rubio is withdrawing his support for this bill because it's been poisoned. He hasn't sabotaged anything. He's been out there day and night, stumping for this crap sandwich all across the country, and in front of every microphone he could find.

The first amendments that come along that make this thing even slightly palatable, and he votes against them with the Democrats. By your logic, the Dems voted against the amendments for the same reason.

Sorry, but that fails.

66 posted on 06/19/2013 10:15:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: mardi59

Rush made a big mistake putting him on his show....I think he likes Rubio....but he is just another rino...


67 posted on 06/19/2013 10:32:43 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: sickoflibs; Sub-Driver; Liz; cripplecreek; Tennessee Nana; TADSLOS; AuntB; Grampa Dave; ...
Senate Republican backing for reform legislation is evaporating b/c of deep skepticism over border-security and enforcement provisions.

Border security, my Aunt Tilly.....why do we taxpayers have to worry about border security AND foot the bills for it?

When does Mexico step up to the plate? After all, they are the ones who will be pocketing zillions in US tax dollars (foreign aid and other giveaways power-crazed Ohaha can dream up).

Vote-crazed Dems are gonna turn on the tax tap full force. The "pressure groups" Mexico threw over the border are lying in wait----conniving to exchange hyphenate votes for tax dollars.

Taxpayers demand oil-rich Mexico leave the cantinas and the senoritas, and police their own borders.

68 posted on 06/20/2013 2:43:47 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Sub-Driver

I am so glad that Rubio outed himself. That’ll be one less pseudo-conservative to siphon votes from conservatives in 2016.


69 posted on 06/20/2013 3:04:05 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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70 posted on 06/20/2013 4:22:29 AM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Sub-Driver

Rubio is such a DISAPPOINTMENT!!! Or was he ALWAYS a WOLF in Sheep’s clothing??


71 posted on 06/20/2013 4:23:04 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: seacapn

Well, there was always Charlie Crist, right?


72 posted on 06/20/2013 4:54:35 AM PDT by gogeo (I didn't leave the Republcan Party, it left me.)
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To: headstamp 2

I think we will hire the extra 20,000 agents, we just won’t let them deport anyone they happen to catch.


73 posted on 06/20/2013 4:59:41 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: Zhang Fei

Libertarianism in the economic sphere is the free market which is utterly sustainable as long as people want to be free or at least recognize what’s in their best interests and don’t allow government to muscle in on their affairs. Good examples are the people of Chile or Estonia or America before the 1930’s. The free market doesn’t require political, religious or personal agreement, only voluntary cooperation based on self interest. It’s a kind of heaven on earth.


74 posted on 06/20/2013 5:24:26 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Liz
Border security, my Aunt Tilly.....why do we taxpayers have to worry about border security AND foot the bills for it? When does Mexico step up to the plate? After all, they are the ones who will be pocketing zillions in US tax dollars (foreign aid and other giveaways power-crazed Ohaha can dream up).

Good one Liz - and thanks for the ping.

75 posted on 06/20/2013 8:53:10 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger, the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: M-cubed
...Rubio has distanced himself from other members of the Gang of Eight in recent weeks. He has opted out of public appearances with them and did not join in Wednesday’s meeting with Corker and Hoeven, according to a person who attended.

IF Rubio and McCain were the ONLY Republicans who voted for this horror - the MSM would forever tie it to Republicans. The MSM will do that because the American people are SICK of illegals ... and the MSM knows it. Rubio needs to walk away for real - no one wants a bunch of illegals other than rich liberals who want to play them against American workers. McCain's a lost cause - might as well be a Democrat.

76 posted on 06/20/2013 9:02:30 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger, the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: Windflier

The first amendments that come along that make this thing even slightly palatable, and he votes against them with the Democrats. By your logic, the Dems voted against the amendments for the same reason.

May be he doesn’t want it palatable. I’d much rather this
thing die by any means than have a Simpson Mazzoli clone
and so far Rubio has done a good job of running the weak
moderates off. The only thing the Demtards want is amnesty
and no matter how palatable it is to you, if amnesty is in
it that’s all you’ll get. I say no bill at all until Obama
is out, even if it takes an unwitting dumba$$ to do it.
The question is, do you want an immigration bill passed
with these tards in power?


77 posted on 06/20/2013 4:52:13 PM PDT by Slambat
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78 posted on 06/20/2013 8:14:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Slambat
The question is, do you want an immigration bill passed with these tards in power?

No, the question is, why does Marco Rubio want this AMNESTY bill passed?

You really ought to quit sticking up for the guy. He had a chance to vote for two amendments which would have brought this thing more in line with the Constitution, our immigration laws, and the will of the people, but he chose to vote with the Democrats instead.

If you can't see that you're being betrayed by this lying turncoat, then heaven help you.

79 posted on 06/20/2013 9:55:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

“He had a chance to vote for two amendments which would have brought this thing more in line with the Constitution,”

It still had amnesty. He is killing the bill by discouraging
republicans, which they need to pass it and he has pushed it
up front where more people can see it.

I agree with you on the premiss. He is a turn coat. But
right now he’s doing more damage to the dems than us.

My stand is, secure the boarder first, make all illegals
sign the book, weed out and deport the undesirables and
put the rest on the standard road to citizenship.
No amnesty at all.

Honestly I wish they would all just go back.

“Nothing” is better than anything with
amnesty in it. I’d much rather he stay republican than let him
be run out and switch to dem.
Even Reagen had his quirks with gun control and taxes but
he was still a good conservative.


80 posted on 06/21/2013 12:16:42 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: Slambat
He is killing the bill by discouraging republicans, which they need to pass it and he has pushed it up front where more people can see it.

If Rubio were against this amnesty bill, he would be out front saying so at every opportunity, but he's not. He's still DEFENDING it.

And he's still allowing Mark Zuckerberg's phony conservative group to use his name in their lying commercials.

I don't know why you're continuing to stick up for Marco Rubio. Notwithstanding your comments about supporting strong border enforcement, you sound as though you haven't been following this story at all, and are stuck on the early talking points.

I don't see how any Freeper can be so ill-informed about everything that's transpired in this debacle, or why anyone in this community would even think of giving Rubio a pass on this, when the evidence clearly shows that he's betrayed us all.

The only possible explanation, is that you're an establishment Republican, and not a conservative. You won't last much longer around here, if that's the case.

81 posted on 06/21/2013 12:36:00 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Cheerio; FlingWingFlyer

About the only hope for an Arizonan is to pressure their rep...but mine is a democrat, so no luck there, either! No one in DC give’s a rat’s rear about my thoughts, because they all ARE RAT’S REARS!


82 posted on 06/21/2013 12:45:32 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers
Yeah. I've got an Obama ring kisser as a representative too. Kirkpatrick. As for the two clowns in the Senate, they are both Obama ring kissers as far as I'm concerned. The last time I bothered contacting McCain was back when Slick Willie was finishing up his second term. I sent a letter to McCain blasting Willie for pardoning those Puerto Rican cop killers. I got a form letter back from him about two months later thanking me for my "interest in Puerto Rican statehood." I felt like Al Pacino sitting on the courthouse steps at the end of his movie "...and justice for all."
83 posted on 06/21/2013 12:52:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (McCain and "The Flake" have got to go.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Rubio is a turncoat and a traitor. Promising no amnesty to tea party voters and pushing for amnesty two years later. Completely disgusting.

It’s time to call/email/fax Senators and Congressmen again over amnesty. Here’s a sample letter.

Dear Honorable US Senator ...,

Sir, I am extremely upset with this latest sham amnesty immigration bill the US Senate is currently debating.

Words cannot express my anger at the utter foolishness of this bill. Rewarding criminal behavior encourages more criminal behavior. People cannot begin their careers in America by breaking the law. Further, it hurts minimum wage American workers by causing them to compete with millions of foreign workers. by I am dismayed at those in Congress who lack the understanding of this critical issue to our nation.

I along with most other Americans are in favor of legal immigration for those who are willing to learn our language, culture, and invest the time and money required to become a U.S. citizen - but not for those who willfully break on our laws, spit on our country, demand benefits, and are not willing to go through proper channels to become an American citizen.

What is the solution? It won’t be easy because we didn’t get into this situation overnight. I believe we need to do the following immediately:

1) Secure our borders
2) Enforce existing law
3) Not allow any amnesty provisions of any kind
4) Improve our visa system
5) Prosecute and fine those businesses which knowingly employ illegal workers
6) Give law enforcement officials the necessary resources and authority to combat illegal immigration
7) Deport illegal aliens violating the law after being fingerprinted, photographed, iris scanned, charged with a felony, and their information placed in a national database.
8) Send a bill for deportation/prison costs to the embassy of the illegal immigrant’s national origin.
9) 2nd time and thereafter repeat offenses by illegal aliens should be sent to work prison camps for a maximum of 6 months - building the southern fence/wall.
10) Seize and liquidate all assets from illegal aliens and use the proceeds for our military and local law enforcement.
11) Must not give illegal immigrants government welfare benefits of any kind, including Social Security
12) Designate English as our national language
13) Change the 14th Amendment regarding birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants
14) Mandatory proof of citizenship for voting
15) Mandatory proof of legal status for DL or ANY government issued ID or benefits card
16) Put pressure on the Mexican government and other nations to reduce illegal immigration to America.
17) Encourage only legal immigration and citizenship to for those wanting to become Americans.

These ENFORCED changes would strengthen America greatly.

Please consider voting against this terrible legislation should it come before the full House floor.

Sincerely and respectfully,


84 posted on 06/21/2013 1:00:23 PM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: Windflier

Insults? Come on it’s just a difference of opinion. We’re
on the same page, it’s just I refuse to be ruled by my
emotions on this. If in the near future Rubio goes across
the isle on any more major issues, I’ll be right there yelling
“cut of his head” with you.

Windflier? Are you a hang glider or ultra lite pilot or
something like that?


85 posted on 06/21/2013 1:14:12 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: Slambat
I refuse to be ruled by my emotions on this.

Emotions? Friend, clear evidence of Rubio's betrayal is staring you right in the face. You needn't succumb to emotionalism to see it.

Conservatives and patriots are rightly pissed at this man. The emotion you see being expressed is a byproduct of his factual attempt to sell our side on this treasonous and disastrous bill. He did so, while many conservatives still trusted him as a steward of the people's will and our shared core principles.

Anger at what Rubio has attempted, is entirely appropriate, but you won't get there unless you look at the plain facts first.

86 posted on 06/21/2013 1:50:39 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mr Rogers
I no longer contact mine - what is the point. Career politicians must be barred. TERM LIMITS.
87 posted on 06/21/2013 3:57:25 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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