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Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive
BizPac Review ^ | 06/19/2013 | Cheryl Carpenter Klimek

Posted on 06/19/2013 9:38:08 PM PDT by TexGrill

The Catholic media is up in arms over comments President Obama made during a speech while in Northern Ireland for the G8 summit. Obama made what is described as “an alarming call for an end to Catholic education,” in spite of the fact that it is considered “a critical component of the Church.”

In front of an audience of about 2,000 young people, including many Catholics, Obama claimed that Catholic education divides people and blocks peace, according to the Scottish Catholic Observer.

“If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation,” Obama said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: obamacatholic
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1 posted on 06/19/2013 9:38:08 PM PDT by TexGrill
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To: TexGrill

“if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs”

Meaning the government should regulate who worships what where??? Or give the buildings to Muslims because... well I just want to...


2 posted on 06/19/2013 9:40:53 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: TexGrill

What about Quaker schools, like the one his daughters attend?


3 posted on 06/19/2013 9:42:45 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: TexGrill

Obama is divisive.


4 posted on 06/19/2013 9:44:05 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: TexGrill

Do Muslims have elementary schools for general academic education as well as religious instruction?


5 posted on 06/19/2013 9:44:37 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: TexGrill

In a free country the people are responsible to educate their own children in the way they see as right.

So you will see catholic schools, and protestant schools of various flavors, and secular schools of all kinds, and the craziest thing is that people decide where to send their kids themselves. Some people don’t even send their kids to any school, they educate them themselves right there at home.

Thats what happens in a free country.


6 posted on 06/19/2013 9:47:56 PM PDT by marron
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To: TexGrill

FUBO!


7 posted on 06/19/2013 9:53:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Obama is divisive.


Yep, it’s called ‘Divide and Conquer’.


8 posted on 06/19/2013 9:54:13 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: TexGrill

I’m glad to see him offend the Catholics in the UK and hope it offends the Catholics and other Christians everywhere. Maybe it will wake up some of those who supported him. They need a slap up side the head.


9 posted on 06/19/2013 9:56:41 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: TexGrill

Holy $#!+

Is there nothing this turd won’t leave alone?


10 posted on 06/19/2013 10:00:12 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: TexGrill
Didn't hear that Madrassas are divisive. Of course he loves anything Muslim.

vaudine

11 posted on 06/19/2013 10:06:01 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: TexGrill
So should we do away with Madrassahs also?
12 posted on 06/19/2013 10:07:23 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: TexGrill

This guy Ubama is a real scumbag.


13 posted on 06/19/2013 10:07:55 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TexGrill
"Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive"

.... Yes ..... we wouldn't want to have exclusive attendance type schools colleges, and universities out there would we Mr. Obama? That would be absolutely divisive now wouldn't it Mr. Prez with a fez!!!

.... However .... what's good for the goose Mr. Prez .... Like why would we need these fine educational institutions then? ..... Like for instance ... what do all of these have in comon Mr. President: ........

...... Spelman College, Howard University, Morehouse College, Hampton University, Fisk University, Xavier University of Louisiana, Tuskegee University, Claflin University, Dillard University, Florida A&M University, North Carolina A&T State University, North Carolina Central University, Delaware State University, South Carolina State University, Bennett College, Clark Atlanta University, Johnson C. Smith University, Tougaloo College, Tennessee State University, Elizabeth City State University, Morgan State University, Alabama Agricultural and Mechanical University, Winston-Salem State University, Oakwood University, Lincoln University, Kentucky State University, Alcorn State University, Bowie State University, Fayetteville State University,Fort Valley State University, Jackson State University, Albany State University, University of Maryland--Eastern Shore, Virginia State University, Etc etc etc .... many many more

14 posted on 06/19/2013 10:16:37 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: TexGrill

Hey, he's just supporting his sharia bros.

15 posted on 06/19/2013 10:32:55 PM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hussein wants only Muslim/Islam schools with a side order of Communism taught. There are over 300 million people in this country and no one can pitch Hussein into Hades and bind him for a thousand years. Oops, that is what happens to Satan - I got them mixed up (I really didn’t - he is one and the same as Satan).


16 posted on 06/19/2013 10:41:32 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: Marcella

... he is one and the same as Satan).

Yes he is.


17 posted on 06/19/2013 10:53:26 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: TexGrill

In the spirit of togetherness, I suppose Obama sends his kids to public schools in DC, right?


18 posted on 06/19/2013 11:04:54 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: TexGrill

A true story with about a dozen witnesses was told to me this past week at a funeral. A class trip was taken to the White House a year ago and Obama was meeting with kids 11 and 12 years old. Apparently with teachers and parents out of the room...Obama was doing nothing but faith bashing and literally telling the kids that following an organized religion or faith is going to vanish in this country and that he needed their help in changing the future and the landscape forever without religion involved at all in this nation.

Let me tell you...the people who shared this story with me are teachers at a Blue Ribbon Catholic school...known them my entire life...had no reason to tell this story to me out of the blue other than the fact that we hadn’t physically seen each other in quite some time and the topic had switched to politics.

Obama is a lunatic who walks in the steps of Marx, Mao, and Hitler. THAT IS A FACT.


19 posted on 06/19/2013 11:20:51 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I’m shocked! How could Barry such mean and nasty things about Islam.


20 posted on 06/19/2013 11:34:39 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I hope one of the kids told him to go to hell. I hope ALL of the kids told him to go to hell. It is too bad one of the kids didn’t have a recording device on him/her. But how were they to know Obama would say something like this. Personally I think anyone who is in Obama’s presence should have a recording device going to catch him at this crap and then they could post all over the internet. More people need to wake up and see who this anti-Christ is.


21 posted on 06/20/2013 2:10:13 AM PDT by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: My Favorite Headache

http://www.metrolyrics.com/imagine-lyrics-john-lennon.html

Obama is living the day dream of Lennon (John that is) where there is no religion, no borders, no nukes - what a dreamer. Very dangerous.


22 posted on 06/20/2013 3:33:06 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: TexGrill
"Free public schools." Plank #10 of the Communist Manifesto (1848)

First compulsory attendance laws passed in Massachusetts (1852)

Nothing new here. Obama just went off-prompter.

23 posted on 06/20/2013 3:37:14 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

This jerk is so out of control. Didn’t he attend Catholic schools in Hawaii?

What’s next? Will churches be deemed “divisive” because different ideas are also taught there?

I guess as long he get the Catholic vote, he doesn’t care what he says ...


24 posted on 06/20/2013 4:23:12 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

This jerk is so out of control. Didn’t he attend Catholic schools in Hawaii?

What’s next? Will churches be deemed “divisive” because different ideas are also taught there?

I guess as long he get the Catholic vote, he doesn’t care what he says ...


25 posted on 06/20/2013 4:23:23 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: TexGrill

What a LOSER Obama is!


26 posted on 06/20/2013 4:28:13 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: LibsRJerks

It could be because now the Catholic Church has a “new sheriff” in town, that is, a Pope who does his teaching based on the Bible and people are really, really are starting to like him.

God Bless Pope Francis!


27 posted on 06/20/2013 4:31:01 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: shalom aleichem

No, because Obama KNOWS his is so, “yesterday’s news” and is fading fast.


28 posted on 06/20/2013 4:32:23 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Burkean

all that divides the obama girls Quaker school from me and thee is the $35,000 annual tuition


29 posted on 06/20/2013 4:50:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: My Favorite Headache

The teachers and students need to come forward and go public.


30 posted on 06/20/2013 5:23:17 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: TexGrill; All

WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ? This address to the Irish might make it to the national scene but our media will sit on it.
After taking complete control even after losing the House the word and reference to GOD was removed at their 2012 national convention. A fact that went un-noticed and un-touched by the RINOS and GOPES (GOP elite snobs) who are running todays Republican party.

Even after reconsideration the decision was derided by the majority because it was re-installed over a majority voice vote supporting the removal.

If this were a political party in a parlimentary system it would be hyphenated and would (and should despite the difference) be refered to as the Demo-Com party. But the RINOS and GOPES can’t even call them “socialist”.

Any Catholic or Christian claiming to belong to this party is a hyprocrite and should be confronted with disgust and distain.


31 posted on 06/20/2013 5:36:31 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: TexGrill

That man is wayyyy ignorant of Irish History! If it wasn’t for the Catholic Church - Catholics wouldn’t have gotten an education - period!


32 posted on 06/20/2013 6:31:51 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: TexGrill; Walkingfeather; Burkean; <1/1,000,000th%; Jim Robinson; laplata; P-Marlowe; Slyfox; ...
Forgive me if you guys have seen this stuff before. My editing of the below may raise blood pressure too. Take the pills, drink some water...
Articles listed, quoted from selectively, paragraphs not consecutive ... ...

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/arnold-ahlert/stealth-islamist-charter-schools-under-investigation/

That investigation, carried out by FBI and the Departments of Labor and Education, is centered around charter school employees who are allegedly engaged in kicking back part of their salaries to the Muslim movement also known as Hizmet (service to others), founded by Gulen. ...

... Gulen schools are among the nation’s largest users of the H1B visas. In 2009, they received government approvals for 684 visas. The Harmony School, a Gulen-related institution, has applied for more H1B visas than any educational institution in the country.

GM officials at some of the charter schools that ostensibly specialize in math and science, claim they need to fill teaching spots with Turkish teachers. At the Young Scholars of Central Pennsylvania Charter School in State College, Ruth Hocker, former president of the parents’ group, grew suspicious when certified American teachers began to be replaced by uncertified Turks with limited English-speaking skills who, despite that limitation, commanded higher salaries. Parents pointed out that these uncertified teachers were moved from one charter to another when their “emergency” credentials expired. They also spoke about a pattern of sudden turnovers of Turkish business managers, administrators, and board members.

Similar complaints arose in Texas, where it was revealed that hundreds of Turkish teachers and administrators were also working with H1B visas. In addition, the Harmony School group was using taxpayer money to fund Gulen’s movement via school construction and renovation projects. Despite assertions that the bidding process on those projects was fair, records showed that virtually all of the work has been done by Turkish-owned contractors, according to the New York Times. ...

... In Pennsylvania, neighbors of Gulen’s fortress retreat complain of hearing automatic gunfire and the drone of a surveillance helicopter that constantly searches for intruders. 100 Turkish guards stand watch over the property as well. If this man and his movement–which continues to expand–have nothing to hide, they have a remarkable way of showing it. ...

Above article includes link to Janet Levy (American Thinker April 8 2012 http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/60_minutes_veils_education_jihad.html#ixzz2WlOZQlxZ ;

In the CBS special, Stahl dismisses complaints about the Gülen schools advancing an Islamic agenda in America with the baiting question of "So do you think there's a little bit of Islamophobia involved?" Yet a Washington Post blog post recently reported that an article in a popular Turkish daily newspaper quoted Gülen school insiders who outlined the U.S. Gülen schools' goals: "through education, we can teach tens of thousands of people the Turkish language and our national anthem, introduce them to our culture and win them over. And this is what the Gülen Movement is striving for."
[snip] One former teacher married to a Turkish teacher discovered that her husband was required to cash his check and give back 40% to the movement. Posts on a charter school watchdog blog translated Gülen contracts, which indicate that Turkish employees must give back cash from their salaries as well as tax refunds and state retirement funds.

Charter Schools Tied to Turkey Grow in Texas NY Times; below not intro but from within article, similar to previous [above] excerpts

The secret lay in the meteoric rise and financial clout of the Cosmos Foundation, a charter school operator founded a decade ago by a group of professors and businessmen from Turkey. Operating under the name Harmony Schools, Cosmos has moved quickly to become the largest charter school operator in Texas, with 33 schools receiving more than $100 million a year in taxpayer funds. ...

... Some of the schools’ operators and founders, and many of their suppliers, are followers of Fethullah Gulen, a charismatic Turkish preacher of a moderate brand of Islam whose devotees have built a worldwide religious, social and nationalistic movement in his name. Gulen followers have been involved in starting similar schools around the country — there are about 120 in all, mostly in urban centers in 25 states, one of the largest collections of charter schools in America. ...

... Even so, records show that virtually all recent construction and renovation work has been done by Turkish-owned contractors. Several established local companies said they had lost out even after bidding several hundred thousand dollars lower.

“It kind of boils my blood a little bit, all the money that was spent, when I know it could have been done for less,” said Deborah Jones, an owner of daj Construction, one of four lower bidders who failed to win a recent contract for a school renovation in the Austin area. ...

... Mr. Gulen, 70, considers his teachings a bulwark against Islamic extremism. Yet he and the movement that bears his name have been surrounded by controversy in Turkey. He came to this country in 1999 while under pressure from secular Turkish authorities who accused him of promoting an Islamic state. He was charged, though the case was thrown out. More recently, the arrests of Turkish journalists critical of the Gulen movement have led to accusations of retaliation by followers in the current government, which has a more religious leaning.

Mr. Gulen now lives in a Pennsylvania retreat owned by a foundation. In an interview there last year with The International Herald Tribune, he said he had not benefited financially from the movement. His only possessions, he said, were a blanket, some bed sheets and a few prized books.

Then check the this out;
http://www.gulenschools.com/ which I'll borrow one frame of their changing banner header at risk of being linked here from THERE, like leaving a little trail of electronic bread crumbs...so be advised

Uh huh. Yeah, right.

Now how to link this to the Obama Admin? Bush helped open the Charter School door for better and worse. But with all the Muslim top advisers Obama has... one does wonder what would become of any "investigation" of these Gulen people. Are they divisive too? Can't we just hear the excuses already? "But Gulen charter schools are not religious".

I do get the impression that increasing numbers of Islamic immigrants are not in the U.S. to assimilate. What do they or COULD they know of foundational US values, when those values have been trashed by Hollyweird for the last thirty years with follow-up PC politicizing from the alphabet networks, with witches like Leslie Stahl to help show them how to play the "don't pick on my religion" card, even as part of that religion's goal is to infiltrate and assert itself globally -- pushing all others aside, by peaceful means -- or otherwise.

The trouble with Gulen as I see it, is that the "peaceful Jihad" competes with the "sudden jihad syndrome" thing, and I do have some concern that the former be stepping stone or place for the latter to hide and be nurtured until frustration overcomes the movement (Fethullah Gülen is getting old) and some new guy comes along with different ideas taking over the infrastructure.

33 posted on 06/20/2013 7:41:49 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
Sounds like these Harmony boys have taken a page out of the Soviet playbook.

Something about us paying for the rope that will hang us.

34 posted on 06/20/2013 8:03:30 AM PDT by Slyfox (Without the Right to Life, all other rights are meaningless.)
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To: LibsRJerks

He attended one in Indonesia, or so he says.


35 posted on 06/20/2013 9:27:45 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Slyfox

That does come to mind. But the [new] Soviets don't need to do much to help the Islamics here anymore, if they were part of helping them get a toe-hold. At home, the Russians have had their own problems with them. Just go South from Rostov-on-Don a ways...the old Republics are "their" territory. Life is much different there. Outsiders not much welcome. If one tried to set up a religious school other than Islamic, then boom-boom-boom, out would go the lights. After the bright flashes and big noises...

...like a bad tv commercial,"but wait!...there's more!"

The Gulen schools are but tip of the iceberg in a sense, for there are increasing numbers of Muslim schools.

http://www.4islamicschools.org/

more than a few of the jobs listings advertise in search of "Qu'ran, Arabic and Islamic studies". Think that is taught in the name of diversity? Or diversity as in "Islam is the only righteous" "Islam is Supreme" and these other "diverse" ideologies must give way...(including the Constitution of the United States) it is the will of Allah".

Their "God" is not our God. From their religion does not come freedom of religion, or even freedom of speech. Islam is retrograde --- with anything "godly" about it having been borrowed (ripped off) from Judaism and Christianity (but changed a little).

These schools are stealthy enemies in our midst. They don't teach America as the Beautiful --- but America to be changed to submissive to Islam. Say bye-bye to the Constitution, and hello sharia law, just as soon as the carpet riders can get their way. They chomp at the bit for it, wherever they have population density. Text for last link; "http://midnightwatcher.wordpress.com/2013/02/11/michigan-dearborn-muslim-calls-for-the-killing-of-christian-protesters-for-the-sake-of-allah/"

Hey Barack! Yeah you, Hussein, you [string of expletives deleted as long as my arm]
Do ya' think maybe just maybe these "Quranic" schools in the U.S. are divisive? Well, do ya' punk?

Here's another posted job notice, calling themselves "The Peace Academy", this one telling us the school is "new" as are many of these types of schools (they want to make some money doing this 'public service' for the 'Islamic public') and they teach the Koran to first thru third grade children.

How are the Huff'nPuffers, the DUmpsterites, the "Salon" acolytes and all the rest going to polish the Barack Husseinic Obama turds this time?

36 posted on 06/20/2013 9:35:41 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: gemoftheocean

Two of the girls came out sobbing into their parents arms. That is how the story circulated out into the church the people I am speaking about (who are Catholic) wound up telling me. Thing is...the nuns and priests are all STILL Obama and Democrat fans. I just DO NOT UNDERSTAND the obsession with loving liberalism in the Catholic church when it goes against everything they stand for.


37 posted on 06/20/2013 11:02:04 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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