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Gun maker eyes HQ in Pike County (PA)
Pocono Record ^ | June 20, 2013 | Beth Brelje

Posted on 06/20/2013 4:17:34 AM PDT by RBW in PA

A gun manufacturer is considering buying the entire 620-acre Pike County business park for $2 million to escape an unfriendly gun climate in New York. Kahr Firearms Group would move its corporate headquarters from in Pearl River, N.Y., to Pike County, bringing a some 100 jobs, company spokesman Frank Harris said. Some jobs will be temporary construction, others will be administrative and manufacturing. The business would be built in phases.

Already the company has hired engineering, legal and real estate firms to work on the project. It is conducting an executive search for an operations manager to oversee the building phase. "This land has a lot of woods. We have to clear the land and put in foundations. An operations manager will handle that and hire construction people," Harris said.

The first phase in Pike will begin with site preparation, clearing of trees and office construction as early as late this year. This will be followed by the relocation of company corporate offices and the research and development department. Some company executives who will work at the new offices have already purchased homes in Pike County, Harris said.

In the second phase, manufacturing operations will be expanded to the Pike County location to meet an increasing demand for the Kahr Arms, Thompson, Auto-Ordnance and Magnum Research product lines.

High demand Business is booming.

The company website advises customers that due to high demand, delivery times on firearms and high-capacity magazines will vary and may take as long as six months for new orders. Manufacturing is backlogged about a year, as are other gun makers, Harris said, although the company manages to send a little bit of product to all of its customers.

Kahr Firearms Group was founded in 1994 by Justin Moon, the son of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church. Today the private company sells between $75 million to $100 million in firearms and accessories annually, Harris said. Since 2001, sales have grown annually by 10 to 15 percent, Harris said. That is why for two years, Kahr had been in talks to buy land for a manufacturing facility in New York.

After the Newtown school shootings in December, the company saw some panic buying as there was talk of stricter gun control laws. Harris said the growth then jumped to 25 percent.

New York unfriendly "We were ready to sign a deal in rural Orange County, N.Y. But when the governor passed stricter gun control, it made it tough to continue on that path, so we jumped over the river," Harris said.

"New York has become very unfriendly to people in the gun business. We feel like we are being treated like criminals in New York. That is one of the reasons we are coming to Pennsylvania."

Kahr would use some of the business park in Blooming Grove for its own purposes, and sell some lots to other manufacturers, said Pete Helms of Chant Real Estate who is handling the deal.

The company signed a 60-day contract with the Pike County Economic Development Authority and the Business Development Corporation, during which the company will seek permits and approvals, and have engineers look at the property, Pike County EDA President Kathy Hummel said. The company plans an indoor shooting range to test equipment.

"I think it is a perfect fit. I believe they are going to be good neighbors," Hummel said. The Kahr Group of manufacturing plants, operating at full capacity, will continue production in their current locations in Worcester, Mass., and Pillager, Minn.

The business park land has been off the tax rolls since 1996, Pike Commissioner Matt Osterberg said. This deal will finally get that land generating taxes again. "This will go a long way in helping unemployment in Pike County," Hummel said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: New York; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: banglist; freedom; guncontrol; guns; kahr; kahrarmsrelocate; liberty; rkba; secondamendment; shallnobeinfringed; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 06/20/2013 4:17:35 AM PDT by RBW in PA
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To: RBW in PA

CT is losing a gun company from what I have heard yesterday.


2 posted on 06/20/2013 4:21:56 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: RBW in PA

While I welcome the business to Pa., what do we know about the son of Moon? btw, I’ve never heard of Kahr. I guess I’m getting older. Smith & Wesson, Colt, Winchester and my favorite, Henry. So many newer players I can’t keep up.


3 posted on 06/20/2013 4:29:00 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: RBW in PA

Great news. I would love to work for a gun company.


4 posted on 06/20/2013 4:43:55 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: RBW in PA
What I can't understand is why ANY company would consider starting operations in NY. It's a tax hell and very unfriendly to business (except those businesses that regularly pay extortion to the democratic politician who run the place like their own personal kingdom)
5 posted on 06/20/2013 4:44:43 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: RBW in PA
Laissez-faire and liberty built NYC. The lack of it will turn it into another Detroit.
6 posted on 06/20/2013 4:56:53 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RBW in PA

If you love what Robert Mugabe did for South Africa ,You will love what these idiots in govt. are doing for Businesses in this country.
We are allowing Feckless Fools to direct and ruin our Lives.


7 posted on 06/20/2013 5:04:12 AM PDT by chatham
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To: S

I’ve got my eye on a new Ruger but I’m not buying until they leave Ct .and move to a more firearm friendly state!


8 posted on 06/20/2013 5:08:32 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: RBW in PA

I live in New York. Good. I hope this state implodes.


9 posted on 06/20/2013 5:10:33 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Renegade

They (if they decide to move) should look further south and west. I appears that liberalism is metasticising in the northeast. The cradle of our republic is crumbling. Sad, sad times we’re in. Guess nobody teaches history up there anymore huh?


10 posted on 06/20/2013 5:13:34 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: SueRae

Kahr has been around since the early ‘80’s and produces a well-respected line of very concealable firearms, many in serious calibers. Good guns.


11 posted on 06/20/2013 5:17:01 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Renegade
I’ve got my eye on a new Ruger but I’m not buying until they leave Ct .and move to a more firearm friendly state!

In Ruger's case, I guess it's okay to give them some time - their entire year's production was sold months ago, before the Connecticut mess. All they're doing now is filling the orders; it's probable that the state taxes have already been paid.

Going forward, though, they should really consider changing their corporate address to a state that their customers don't mind supporting. Same thing with Remington, but I think they're tied down in NY for years to come due to recent expansion involving state funding.

12 posted on 06/20/2013 5:19:46 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: RBW in PA

Is PA really safe ground? It is a pretty liberal state.


13 posted on 06/20/2013 5:27:27 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: SueRae
I’ve never heard of Kahr.

While I have a couple, and am knowledgeable about the basics of owning and operating a firearm, I'm hardly an afficianado or an expert...and I've heard of Kahr. They're definitely not some knock-off brand.

14 posted on 06/20/2013 5:31:30 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: RBW in PA

How many of the current employees will be able to relocate? That will affect the number of jobs at the new location. It will also create an opportunity for Realtors at both ends with home rental, sale and purchase needs.

It will be tough on some of the employees who can not move for one reason or another.


15 posted on 06/20/2013 6:29:46 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SueRae
what do we know about the son of Moon?

I don't know much about him but I know a little bit about his father Sun Myong Moon (sp?), He was a Korean who started a so-called "church" in Korea back in the 1950s. He and his church came to the US later on and he soon became a billionaire, usually by taking over businesses that were having financial difficulties and making them profitable again.

He was also known for suckering hundreds of thousands of young Americans into his phony-baloney "church". He and his so-called church were often in the news back when he married hundreds of his young converts in mass wedding ceremonies that often attracted nationwide media coverage. His son apparently took over the businesses after the father died a few years ago, and Kahr is just one of the US companies he owns.

I hope every gun and ammunition maker in New England, NY, NJ, and CA will get out of those states and move their manufacturing facilities and business offices to gun-friendly states in the south and west. I know that GA (where I live) would gladly welcome any and all of those companies and would probably offer tax breaks and other enticements to any gun manufacturer that would come on down. Why would any manufacturing business want to continue to operate in states where it's products are banned and it's potential customers are denied their Constitutional right to own and keep them?

16 posted on 06/20/2013 6:31:48 AM PDT by epow ("when these things begin to come to pass lift up your heads, for your redemption draweth nigh")
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To: School of Rational Thought
Is PA really safe ground? It is a pretty liberal state.

Outside Philly, Pittsburgh, university towns and their suburbs, not so much.

17 posted on 06/20/2013 6:31:51 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: RBW in PA

Don’t they own the right to the Thompson semi-auto “machine” gun?


18 posted on 06/20/2013 6:49:11 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yes, they bought Auto Ordinance, which also makes M1 Carbine repros and 1911’s.


19 posted on 06/20/2013 6:53:22 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: epow

“Why would any manufacturing business want to continue to operate in states where it’s products are banned and it’s potential customers are denied their Constitutional right to own and keep them? “

Because they are successful businesses, they will make these decisions based on economics. I doubt that any of them would locate where they are today, but that said, it isn’t easy to pick up and move a going business without majors costs and the possibility of disruption of their business and that of their suppliers, to say nothing of their employees. It amazes me how quickly some here are to demonize this company or that, because of where they make their products. This nonsense with these state governments is quite new. For craps sake, give them time to make and implement plans. It does not happen over night!


20 posted on 06/20/2013 7:20:07 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: rktman
"The cradle of our republic is crumbling. Sad, sad times we’re in. Guess nobody teaches history up there anymore huh?"

Indeed. My father's family's roots are CT via MA (1632). Family members were active patriots in the Revolutionary War. They were involved in both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitutional Convention, and one served in Washington's cabinet. And now CT is at the forefront of betraying all of that. Shame on'em.

21 posted on 06/20/2013 8:04:15 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: RBW in PA

Great news for Blooming Grove Township and great to get the misguided project of the 620 acre business park finally sold. The history of the completely empty business park goes back nearly two decades!

Now just watch the second home folks and environmentalists freak out at the notion of ANY development. Far better to keep the thing endlessly off the tax rolls and tax payers endlessly paying for it (sarc).


22 posted on 06/20/2013 8:05:08 AM PDT by finnsheep
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To: Wonder Warthog

Roger that. Mine(fathers side) came from the Hudson River Valley (Green County men) area in NY and several of them signed the Coxsackie Declaration a month after the Concord fiasco and a year before the Declaration of Independence. Been here since the early 1700’s as far as I can trace back. Also revolutionary army troops, civil war, Spanish American, WW I, WW II, Korea, VN, Iraq 1 and 2, Afghanistan for kids, grandkids, nieces and nephews too.


23 posted on 06/20/2013 8:21:25 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: finnsheep
I'm seriously considering a move to Pike County myself from NJ. The savings in health and car insurance alone would pay the mortgage on a house. Pike County is the closest low population density area to NYC. It's 93% white and votes Republican. From what I know so far it's the place I want to go.

Anti-growth envious leftists actually provide a valuable service by making it harder for people to move in. Population density drives the demand for socialism and big government. If Pike County can keep its population density near 85 per square mile it will stay a nice place to live.

24 posted on 06/20/2013 8:36:03 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: SueRae

Kahr Arms owns the Auto Ordnance - they make Thompsons (Tommy guns).

They also make fine semi auto handguns too.

Welcome to Pennsylvania, Kahr!! Your coming here makes us stronger.


25 posted on 06/20/2013 11:29:08 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Come to PA.

All Gunnies Welcome. Makes us stronger.


26 posted on 06/20/2013 11:30:43 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Philadelphia is liberal. So is Pittsburgh.

All points in between, not so much. Our State House, Senate, and the Governor’s mansion are GOP-controlled, and most of them are fairly conservative GOP types. Some are twitchy, for sure, but we’ll remove them eventually if they mess with our firearm rights.

It’s a gun friendly state, even though we have an anti-gun AG who just got elected.

Our State constitution, Article 1, Section 21:

Right to Bear Arms
Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

Reservation of Powers in People
Section 25.
To guard against the transgressions of the high powers which we have delegated, we declare that everything in this article is excepted out of the general powers of government and shall forever remain inviolate.

Safe or safer as anywhere else these days, and better than NJ NY CT etc.,


27 posted on 06/20/2013 11:35:01 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: RBW in PA

For what it’s worth, I work in the industry, have owned several Kahr pistols, and am personally acquainted with Justin Moon.

Kahr has prospered with the concealed carry revolution, and makes high-quality compact pistols. I imagine they sell pretty much every one they make, and they seem to have prospered enough to acquire rights to the Thompson machine gun, as well as Magnum Research.

I have chatted with Moon occasionally over the years, and after an extended conversation with him in person earlier this year, it’s clear to me that he is the real deal on gun rights, understanding this nation’s liberties, and would fit in just fine as a Freeper.

I salute companies that vote with their feet and their pocketbooks. You know that it’s a powerful motivation, given the cost and headaches with moving a large manufacturing operation.

I also suspect that company is being a savvy investor in some desirable distressed real estate.


28 posted on 06/20/2013 11:40:35 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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To: NFHale

Thanks to all for the answers on Kahr. It’s been a looong time since I bought firearms. Decades.

Kahr, Welcome to Pa.!


29 posted on 06/20/2013 12:10:44 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: SueRae

“...been a looong time since I bought firearms. ..”

Time to buy one then!!! :^) Treat yourself if you can.

What better way to welcome Kahr to the state than to patronize the business!

There’s an idea: “Buy A Kahr Day in PA”!


30 posted on 06/20/2013 12:26:26 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Reeses

I huge hunk of Pike County cannot be developed ever because it is State Gamelands, State Park, Natural Areas, State Forest or National Park.

http://www.pikepa.org/Planning/PikeCounty_PublicLands.pdf

None the less, a few years back, folks who have probably never been west of Milford voted a $10 Million bond issue to PURCHASE green space. So we are still paying on that so that folks in Milford can look at green without having to drive even to the center of the county.


31 posted on 06/20/2013 12:34:57 PM PDT by finnsheep
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To: NFHale

I didn’t say I didn’t have them. Kahr will be on my radar..but I really want a Henry.


32 posted on 06/20/2013 12:36:56 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: SueRae

Oh, I didn’t get that at all; I figured you were a gunny; but it’s ALWAYS a great time to treat yourself to a new one!!

Henry’s are nice lever guns. I don’t have one in my collection, but I do have a couple of Marlin lever guns.


33 posted on 06/20/2013 12:42:21 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: y'all

checking the map. . . article says Kahr’s current headquarters is in Pearl River, NY. That’s near the Hudson river only about 15 miles north of Manhattan. The business park near Lords Valley, PA would be an 82 mile drive to the northwest, about 20 miles past the NY/PA state line off of I-84.


34 posted on 06/20/2013 12:53:50 PM PDT by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: NFHale

Might want to begin with Pat Toomey


35 posted on 06/20/2013 5:58:09 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought
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To: NFHale

Roger THAT.


36 posted on 06/20/2013 8:09:40 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: RBW in PA

Kahr Arms bailing on New York and Massachusetts
June 20, 2013

Don’t look for Kahr pistols to say Worcester, MA for much longer…

Kahr Arms bids farewell to anti-gun slave states New York and Massachusetts…

http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=8000


37 posted on 06/23/2013 6:53:47 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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