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The time for climate action is now
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 20, 2013 | Editorial

Posted on 06/20/2013 7:35:25 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Early predictions made by climate scientists — back when much of the nation was still dubious about any kind of greenhouse effect and many denied it existed — are coming true even more quickly than expected.

...And that's worth remembering when President Obama releases his expected proposal for reducing the carbon footprint, which will almost surely include new restrictions for coal-burning plants, the biggest emitters of greenhouse gases. Adjusting to climate change will require clear thinking and significant investment, but if the nation sticks its collective head in the sand, it will find that sand covered by rising seas.

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KEYWORDS: climategate; coal; energy; epa; globalwarming; hoax; journalism; socialism
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1 posted on 06/20/2013 7:35:25 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This really is a mental disorder.


2 posted on 06/20/2013 7:37:07 AM PDT by yobid (Catastrophic failure is the only pathway for improvement)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

TRANSLATION: “The jig is up unless we ram it through!”


3 posted on 06/20/2013 7:37:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

What a load of crap!


4 posted on 06/20/2013 7:37:18 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Is the Times saying he faked his flop-sweat to try and make his point that the globe is getting really, really hot?


5 posted on 06/20/2013 7:37:22 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

War is peace.

Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.

Early predictions made by climate scientists are coming true even more quickly than expected.

We have always been at war with Eastasia.


6 posted on 06/20/2013 7:38:47 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Our Bank ,Obama needs a DISTRACTION


7 posted on 06/20/2013 7:40:12 AM PDT by molson209
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

At least the Times is doing their part by not selling as many papers (snicker)


8 posted on 06/20/2013 7:42:53 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"If you find yourself stuck in a deep hole, dig faster and deeper".

LA Times

9 posted on 06/20/2013 7:43:18 AM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But the $100 million vacations.. and their carbon footprint .. will continue.

The Queen wants vacations and shall have them.


10 posted on 06/20/2013 7:46:45 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Here’s what gets me about global warming:

1. The earth’s climate has changed many times in history. During the last ice age, Chicago was buried under a mile of ice. Clearly we have had global warming since then, which was part of a natural cycle. It had nothing to do with man, since Cro-magnon Man did not have coal fired power plants.

2. We don’t fully understand the natural cycles involved with climate. And we don’t fully understand how much man may have contributed to this. But we do know that climate has changed many times prior to the Industrial Revolution.

3. Even if we want to say, for sake of argument, that man is significantly impacting the climate, what exactly should be done about this? Doesn’t there have to be a cost/benefit review of any proposed actions? How does cap and trade help, for example? The same amount of “evil” CO2 is allowed to be emitted. It just that now somebody is paying for the permission to emit same.

4. Even if enlightened liberals take control of governments in western countries and adopt policies to cut back emissions, what exactly do they propose to do about China and India emitting such high levels of pollutants as those countries industrialize? We have no control over policies adopted by other countries.


11 posted on 06/20/2013 7:47:36 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Early predictions made by climate scientists — back when much of the nation was still dubious about any kind of greenhouse effect and many denied it existed — are coming true even more quickly than expected.


That is a bald faced lie. The opposite is true. It’s why the scientists are having a credibility crisis right now.


12 posted on 06/20/2013 7:48:39 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Pitiful Wag The Dog attempt.


13 posted on 06/20/2013 7:48:42 AM PDT by McGruff (I can't speak to the law here. The law is irrelevant,)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This, with the coming instant amnesty and citizenship of 25 million illegals, along with the precipitive drop in the economy once QE is stopped...

Gosh.. what could go wrong?


14 posted on 06/20/2013 7:49:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Why don't “FACTS” matter to these so called climate scientists? Greenland ice cores. No computer model, actual REAL samples from the past.

Man made global warming isn't happening.

Man could do nothing about it even “if” it were.

Mankind is a molecule on a pimple on the earth's arse.

God is in control, not man.

15 posted on 06/20/2013 7:49:32 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: JPG

OMG! The climate is changing as I type this. When I got up the temp was 43. Now it’s already 50. The wind was calm and now it’s starting to pick up. Whatever shall we do? Dang Toto, this ain’t Kansas anymore. If we believe king hussein and algore I should have beach front property before long. And I’m at around 5200 feet.


16 posted on 06/20/2013 7:49:35 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
At least the Times is doing their part by not selling as many papers (snicker)

Perhaps The Los Angeles Times can tear down their building and replace it with an organic garden that the 'former' editorial board members can volunteer to tend.

17 posted on 06/20/2013 7:50:10 AM PDT by Right Brother
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To: Dilbert San Diego

re your item #3 on Cap and Trade:

Cap and Trade is a device to ensure MORE carbon in the atmostphere, not less (I am a global warming skeptic, at least regarding an anthropogenic basis of any magnitude). Persons, companies, countries, etc. who have the right to put a certain level of carbon into the air but who have NO intention of doing so are encourage to sell that right to those who clearly WILL do so. An honest environmentalist would support simply limiting the amount of carbon each entity can put into the atmosphere, and make that amount non-alienable (i.e., you can’t sell the right).


18 posted on 06/20/2013 7:54:34 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: rktman

You are right. The wind was calm 10 minutes ago, and now it is 10 mph. AT THIS RATE, in less than two hours there will be 100 mph constant winds!!!

Run for your lives!!!


19 posted on 06/20/2013 7:56:17 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: yobid

What about Red China? they are building coal fired plants wholesale—we clean—they dirty. It will do No Good at all unless the world takes part—and they do not—Heck—they Chinese are still using steam trains.


20 posted on 06/20/2013 7:57:05 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: NCLaw441

Good point, you said it well.

Cap and Trade does not reduce emissions. Yet the enviro extremists see this as a key policy in their global warming campaign. I never understood why, but, apparently, many never think through what these actions means, or how a policy such as this doesn’t accomplish what they say they want to accomplish.


21 posted on 06/20/2013 7:59:16 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Dilbert San Diego

[[1. The earth’s climate has changed many times in history.]]

Our great lakes were formed by global climate change-

[[2. We don’t fully understand the natural cycles involved with climate. And we don’t fully understand how much man may have contributed to this.]]

Sure we do- at least as to how much man has contributed- we contribute a scant 0.004% to the total atmospheric CO2- nature supplies the other 99.996%- perhaps we shoudl be chatrging nature a carbon tax- If our pesident is goign to insist on lying to the american people by claiming man is causing global warming, and he wants to charge humans, then the tax shoudl NOT exceed 0.004% of a dollar per year per person-

[[3. Even if we want to say, for sake of argument, that man is significantly impacting the climate, what exactly should be done about this?]]

We don’t even have to go there- man is not significantly impacting global warming- no more than he did when the mile htick glaciers over chicago receeded back durign thel ittle ice age- nature took care of the lciamte back then, it will do so agin-

[[Doesn’t there have to be a cost/benefit review of any proposed actions?]]

Not when you’re a democrat- all you have to do is declare an emercy, you don’t even have to prove it, you just have to pay off a few ‘scientists’ and that’s all that’s needed- kkkuomo is doign the saem damn thing in NY by declarign an emergency cocnerning guns- no vote needed- just ram through the unconstitutional law-

[[The same amount of “evil” CO2 is allowed to be emitted.]]

to that scientists say ‘so what?” CO2 does NOT cause global warming- CO2 rises AFTER global warmign happens- as the earth is warmed, CO2 trapped in ice and the cold oceans rises into atmosphere raisign hte overall amount- As the cliamte changes to colder again, more precipitation happens, and CO2 falls back to earth gettign trapped again- Sceintists know this- yet most will NOT admit htis because they are beign paid to perpetrate a LIE


22 posted on 06/20/2013 7:59:44 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: NCLaw441

So, we obviously have now reached a similar consensus as have scientists around the globe. Get out your floaties cause the waters gotta rise. Probably pushed higher because of the increasing winds you have observed at your location. It’s good to be a rocket surgeon.


23 posted on 06/20/2013 8:01:39 AM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Fine, everybody that believes in man-made warming can lead by example and live without AC and walk to work.


24 posted on 06/20/2013 8:02:57 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Second American Revolution)
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To: NCLaw441

there you go! Proof of the hockey stick in action...

I think I’ll deal with the climate change by having a nice outdoor lunck in a couple of hours, followed by a cold beer as I watch the sun go down tonight. Darn climate — changes ever day, round the clock, month after month!


25 posted on 06/20/2013 8:05:48 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I think the first thing we have to do about global warming or whatever they are currently calling their hoax, is shut down the LaT’s printing presses because they heat up the air too much.
26 posted on 06/20/2013 8:06:11 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

like someoen said since our contribution is suchj a negkligible 0.004 percent, claimign htat this insignificant amount is changing climates isl iek tryign to claim that two folks pissign in the ocean causes the ocean to significantly wamr up


27 posted on 06/20/2013 8:07:49 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

You must’ve rushed that post through on your iPhone! That’s what some of mine look like as well!


28 posted on 06/20/2013 8:12:30 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: cuban leaf
Actually, the predictions I recall as an undergrad geology student involved the coming ice age, not warming.

Considering the warmists thought we were going to be roasting (or drowning near the coasts) by now, the actual slow cooling trend of the last decade and a half is sort of a blast from the past.

29 posted on 06/20/2013 8:13:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: ryan71
Fine, everybody that believes in man-made warming can lead by example and live without AC and walk to work.

I nominate the Fat Bastard himself, Algore, to go first.

30 posted on 06/20/2013 8:13:48 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

somethign insidious just occured to me-

The left is desperately tryign to increase the price of energy, fuel, heat etc- by blaming us for ‘global wamring’- but the FACT is that we arep oised to run into another COLD period on earth very soon, which means that peopel will need fuel and heating much more than we do now wich means we will be payign hte higher prices which the govenrment is cuaisng to energy prices i nthe name of global wamring

I think these criminals KNOW that global warmign is coming, and so are goign to ram through high energy prices in the name of global wamring so that when global cooling hits us i nthe not too distant future, we’ll be saddled with energy prices we cvan’t afford

What the hell is wrogn with the left? Will they not be happy until they’ve compeltely destroyed thsi country and everyopne in it?


31 posted on 06/20/2013 8:16:59 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They should contact The Economist about how the planet has continued to get warmer. The Economist a few months ago came clean on the subject and admitted that although CO2 has continued to climb, there has not been a significant temperature increase in over 15 years.


32 posted on 06/20/2013 8:17:02 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The thing about riding a dead horse (climate change) - whipping it doesn’t make it go any faster.


33 posted on 06/20/2013 8:19:39 AM PDT by KSCITYBOY
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Early predictions made by climate scientists — back when much of the nation was still dubious about any kind of greenhouse effect and many denied it existed — are coming true even more quickly than expected.

No, they aren't.

For right now at least, the world is not getting warmer. They said it would. They were wrong. Probably because rather then study the climate they started using computer models where anything they don't understand is put in as a static number. And there is a lot they don't understand.

Something like you.

34 posted on 06/20/2013 8:20:03 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: yobid

I’m a warming agnostic.
Don’t know if the earth is warming or cooling.
Don’t know if warming is bad or good.
Don’t know if any of this is related to human activity.
Don’t know if there’s anything we can do about it.
Therefore I plan on ignoring the whole subject until someone wants what I have to pay for it, then I want proof.

Maybe we’re at that last point already.


35 posted on 06/20/2013 8:21:24 AM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

years ago they claiemd gthe ‘hole in the ozone was goign to cause mass extinctions’ and so they banned propellents- the earth didn’t go extinct, there were no massive die offs directly attributable to hte ozone, and the ozone apparently healed itself DESPITE the fact that many coutnries still use the banned propellents


36 posted on 06/20/2013 8:23:41 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Rocky

not to mentio nthat otherp lanets apparently are also warming- golly- our CO2 must rise much further than we realized lol


37 posted on 06/20/2013 8:24:48 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Do these imbeciles ever consider a lot of our climate depends on that big, bright yellow thing in the sky?

Mankind is so insignificant. Mother Nature will do whatever she pleases to do.


38 posted on 06/20/2013 8:25:33 AM PDT by bushbuddy
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To: CottShop

And that was when they were predicting global freezing.


39 posted on 06/20/2013 8:30:03 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: bushbuddy

The saddest part is that NONE of the GOP are SERIOUSLY callign hte left ot hte carpet for htis- they are goign right along with hte left on this issue when in reality they shoudl be standign at the podium and demanding htat the left explain how the world has NOT warmed since 1989 until now, DESPITE THE FACT that CO2 has icnreased- and the GOP shopuld DEMAND that the left PROVE their case before enactign a law to pay for a crisis that doesn’t exist and is nothgin but an attempt ot exloit an invented crisis- and hte GOP shoudl get serious abotu htis threatening prosecution for anyone who tries to STEAL money from the pbulic bases on false pretenses-

Our govenrment is supposed to be workign FOR US, not workign to cripple us finacially at evey turn-


40 posted on 06/20/2013 8:33:52 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
isl iek tryign to claim that two folks pissign in the ocean causes the ocean to significantly wamr up

I guess that depends on where you are standing...

In reality, though, as far as climate megatrends go, we're just along for the ride.

41 posted on 06/20/2013 8:38:43 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: CottShop

science is SUPPOSED to work liek so- make a prediction based on known facts (ie: the earth is wamrer, CO2 levels are higher, therefore CO2 MIGHT be causing higher global temperatures- let’s investigate)-

BUT- when the ivnestigation doesn’t jive with the prediction, the theory either needs to be dropped, or other variables need to be investigated (ie: as the globe warms naturally, more clouds begin to form, which trap more heat o nthe surface, which raises overall temperatures more) then when it’;s foudn that this DOES coincide with htep rediction, following the prediction to it;s conclusion, one finds that this goes in cycles, and that it WILL reverse naturally, and CO2 levels will begin to declien again AFTER the earth begins to cool- and that there is no evidence that man’s scant contribution has effected the climatei n any way shape or form because hte data does NOT support the prediction because tempratures have NOT risen in almost 2 decades DESPITE the icnreasing output of CO2 by man which STILL only amounts to a scant .004% of total atmospheric CO2 levels

This is how science is SUPPOSED to work- instead what we see is the a wild unsubstantiated ‘claim of fact’ that man is causing global warming, and a declaration that ‘the debate is over- the science is settled (DESPITE the FACT that the science CONTRADICTS that asinine unscientific claim that the science is settled in favor of man caused global warming), aqnd therefore the president needs to ram through cliamte change fiens and taxes via executive order (since he can’t win the argument that man is causing global warming because hte science does NOT support his criminal desires)


42 posted on 06/20/2013 8:47:20 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Smokin' Joe

[[I guess that depends on where you are standing...]]

Not sure where a person stands has anythign to do with it- the pee takes o nthe temp of ocean almost instantly and does nothign to warm the whole ocean- however, man caused global wamring alarmists are tryign to say that 0.004% contribution by man is enough to change the whole globes temperature for 1000’s of years- and in my last post I said despite hteir beign NO warmign sicne 1989, DESPITE the fact that we’ve raised total CO2 output from 0.003% to 0.004%, the data does not jive with hte alarmists false claims


43 posted on 06/20/2013 8:51:12 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

The LEFT only exists through PROPAGANDA.


44 posted on 06/20/2013 8:53:04 AM PDT by spawn44 (MOO)
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To: yobid
The State needs the bucks.

Desperately.

45 posted on 06/20/2013 9:07:56 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"The time for climate action is now"

I agree. It was 45 degrees and raining here this morning. I'm going into my backyard to burn a few tires.

46 posted on 06/20/2013 9:09:49 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: spawn44

Fro anyoen that is interested, there ism ore evidence here at Marc Morano’s site than you can shake a hockey stick at (He used to assist James Inhoffe i nthe senate regardign climate change and provign man isn’t the casue)- He has REAMS of evidence from actual scientists disproving man is the cause of cliamte changep- scientists i nthe top of their fields, all over the world- scientists that the ldeft ignores because these scientists speak the truth


47 posted on 06/20/2013 9:10:47 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop

might be good if I cgave the link UI guess lol

http://www.climatedepot.com/


48 posted on 06/20/2013 9:11:35 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

[[I’m going into my backyard to burn a few tires. ]]

Throw osme styrofoam on the pile too- maybe add a few shingles, slather them with tar too- that’ll get the fire goign good


49 posted on 06/20/2013 9:12:25 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Al Gore assured us in his movie that due to CO2 from man the global climate would substantially warm and melt the ice caps which then would cause sea levels to rise and inundate coastal areas in the US. Al Gore recently purchased a $9 million seaside villa in Montecito, California. Now if you sincerely believed that sea levels are rising why would you buy a seaside mansion? Note Gore's villa has neither solar panels nor windmills and reportedly consumes more energy than an entire working class neighborhood. Gore is a hypocrite and a charlatan who pushes a global warming cult that he himself doesn't believe just for money.
50 posted on 06/20/2013 9:22:26 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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