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Priests to Pelosi: condemn abortion or leave the Church
dailycaller.com ^ | 6-20-2013 | Katie McHugh

Posted on 06/20/2013 12:32:22 PM PDT by servo1969

A pro-life group called on California Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi to “exercise your duties as a public servant and a Catholic, or have the honesty to formally renounce them,” in a widely-circulated open letter Wednesday.

“Public servants are supposed to be able to tell the difference between serving the public and killing the public. Apparently, you can’t,” wrote national director of Priests for Life Father Frank Pavone. “Otherwise, you would have been able to explain the difference between a legal medical procedure that kills a baby inside the womb and an act of murder.”

Pavone’s letter was written in response to the Minority Leader’s argument with a reporter — The Weekly Standard asked Pelosi to clarify her position on abortion in the wake of the Kermit Gosnell case during a press conference Thursday.

“What is the moral difference between what Dr. Gosnell did to a baby born alive at 23 weeks and aborting her moments before birth?” the reporter asked.

Pelosi dismissed the question and equated Gosnell’s crimes with pro-life activists’ condemnation of abortion.

“What was done in Philadelphia was reprehensible and everybody condemned it. For them to decide to disrespect a judgment a woman makes about her reproductive health is reprehensible,” she said. “Next question.”

When pressed for an answer, Pelosi pushed back harder, telling the reporter abortion should not be a political matter.

“As a practicing and respectful Catholic, this is sacred ground to me when we talk about this. I don’t think it should have anything to do with politics. And that’s where you’re taking it and I’m not going there,” Pelosi said, according to the press conference transcript.

In response to Pelosi, Pavone wrote that Pelosi’s answer violated both her duties as a public servant and a practicing Catholic.

“Abortion is not sacred ground; it is sacrilegious ground. To imagine God giving the slightest approval to an act that dismembers a child he created is offensive to both faith and reason,” Pavone wrote. “And to say that a question about the difference between a legal medical procedure and murder should not ‘have anything to do with politics’ reveals a profound failure to understand your own political responsibilities, which start with the duty to secure the God-given right to life of every citizen.”

“Whatever Catholic faith you claim to respect and practice, it is not the faith that the Catholic Church teaches,” Pavone continued. “And I speak for countless Catholics when I say that it’s time for you to stop speaking as if it were.”


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KEYWORDS: abortion; belongsinnews; catholic; pavone; pelosi; priest; uglyskank
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1 posted on 06/20/2013 12:32:22 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969
JUST LEAVE...PLEASE
2 posted on 06/20/2013 12:34:28 PM PDT by Paul46360
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To: servo1969

May this movement grow and the same letter go to all people in government supporting abortion and homos from the Catholic Church.


3 posted on 06/20/2013 12:35:47 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: servo1969

Nancy Pants left the Catholic Church many years ago. She just needs the fig leaf because there are so many Catholic voters.


4 posted on 06/20/2013 12:36:33 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: servo1969

Just throw her hypocritical *** out.


5 posted on 06/20/2013 12:37:04 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (23,116,441 households on Food Stamps! Now that's what I call HISTORICAL!!!)
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To: servo1969

A plea to Pelosi to “have honesty?”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Like she’s gonna be an “honest” whore? Best laugh I’ve had all day.


6 posted on 06/20/2013 12:37:47 PM PDT by henkster (The 0bama regime isn't a train wreck, it's a B 17 raid on the rail yard.)
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To: Paul46360

Stalin said, in so many words, “And how many divisions does the Pope command?”

Pelosi says, “And what sort of reelection bribes are we receiving from the Church?”


7 posted on 06/20/2013 12:38:38 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: no-to-illegals

I agree. Don’t give them a choice, tell them they are no longer considered Catholics in any way, shape, or form. You don’t become a member of any religion to change it. You join a religion for it to change you.


8 posted on 06/20/2013 12:39:02 PM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: servo1969
Just excommunicate her and get it over with.

9 posted on 06/20/2013 12:40:26 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: servo1969

perhaps had her parents had her Satanic pro-abortion ideas?


10 posted on 06/20/2013 12:40:28 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: servo1969

““As a practicing and respectful Catholic...”

I was kinda looking for the word, “committed” in that statement. Seems to be a Laodicean comment.


11 posted on 06/20/2013 12:40:42 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: servo1969

SEE............Obama said ..Catholics cause division.


12 posted on 06/20/2013 12:42:21 PM PDT by Einherjar
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To: servo1969

I’m not Catholic and I don’t know much about it but isn’t this the kind of thing that excommunication was invented for?
As someone outside of Catholicism I am always puzzled by the way Catholics like Pelosi can just say whatever they want and there is no outcry, that I can see, from their church.
I grew up around Southern Baptists and I’m pretty certain that if a Baptist politician made a habit of saying that abortion is totally inline with the his church the outcry from his fellow Baptists would be audible from Tanzania.


13 posted on 06/20/2013 12:43:46 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969
I admire Fr. Pavone but I don't think the Catholic Administrati here take him so seriously. Just a feeling I get.

Anyway, this is PR. Her Bishop has a duty. Will he do it?

14 posted on 06/20/2013 12:44:22 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: servo1969

well, whatever else you think, I hope you can see that the myth that “all Catholics are brainwashed by the Church” is exactly that.


15 posted on 06/20/2013 12:45:06 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: GilesB
There is only one context where I could see "committed" and "Pelosi" being mentioned in the same sentence.


16 posted on 06/20/2013 12:45:46 PM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

What church does she attend? Is it infiltrated with other baby murderers ( I realize she is from San Fran) Why can’t parishioners just form a human circle around the altar to prevent her from receiving the Eucharist...or at the very least make it known that her “brand” of catholicism does not belong. Yes, the priests are the leaders but they need help and encouragement from the flock.


17 posted on 06/20/2013 12:47:26 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: servo1969

Pelosi is a horrible representative of the Catholic church. Her entire political life is based on lies and deceit, and proclaiming herself to be Catholic is one of them. God knows and will set her straight one day.


18 posted on 06/20/2013 12:48:10 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: servo1969

This reported did one of the most difficult things that exists: attempting to speak logically to a Democrat.

IMHO


19 posted on 06/20/2013 12:48:32 PM PDT by ripley
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To: servo1969

so why hasn’t she and others like her been ex-communicated? A bit less talk and more action from these priests, please.


20 posted on 06/20/2013 12:48:41 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: servo1969
It's about time. Now, the Church needs to deliver the second blow.
21 posted on 06/20/2013 12:49:20 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: longfellowsmuse
What church does she attend?

I keep wondering whether she actually attends any church -- unless of course she needs it for the photo op!

22 posted on 06/20/2013 12:50:37 PM PDT by maryz
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To: servo1969

Finally, someone with the courage to give Pelosi the verbal come-uppance (a nicer way than saying b*tch-slapping since a priest did it) she deserves. Now, it’s time for action ..... politically (vote her out) and religiously (excommunicate her). Unfortunately, neither will happen.


23 posted on 06/20/2013 12:50:39 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: servo1969
Ms. Pelosi, your soul is on the line. Choose wisely.

5.56mm

24 posted on 06/20/2013 12:51:15 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: servo1969

Good God, what a hag....


25 posted on 06/20/2013 12:54:57 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: servo1969

Wow, good for you Father Pavone!


26 posted on 06/20/2013 12:56:12 PM PDT by Gerish (Feed your faith and your doubts will starve to death.)
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To: Paul46360

Finally!

Too bad the church didn’t oust Ted Kennedy also.


27 posted on 06/20/2013 12:56:13 PM PDT by jayrunner
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To: deoetdoctrinae

LOL - good one!


28 posted on 06/20/2013 12:57:08 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: servo1969

Good for Father Pavone.

Nancy Pelosi may be “excommunicated” latæ sententiæ, but she needs to be PUBLICLY excommunicated by her bishop. This is because her OBSTINANCE, in the grave matter of abortion, is both PUBLIC and scandalous to the faith.


29 posted on 06/20/2013 12:57:18 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: ripley

Her answer and reference to “sacred ground”, IMHO, didn’t have anything to do with the questioning... It was a “deflector” that liberals often use to avoid upcoming logic/hypocrisy traps, kind of a “how dare you” declaration.

But it’s out there now, and it’s been accepted that Pelosi called late term abortion “sacred ground” to her.


30 posted on 06/20/2013 12:59:54 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rigelkentaurus
A bit less talk and more action from these priests, please.

A priest can't excommunicate. That is up to the bishop. And you're right. This needs to start happening. And the quicker the better. There's lots of DEMS out there that would shiite their pants if the bishops let loose with a number of excommunications.

31 posted on 06/20/2013 1:00:15 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: servo1969

I disagree with this premise completely.

It is to the Pope and Bishops to CONDEMN Pelosi or leave the Church


32 posted on 06/20/2013 1:00:46 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: ThomasMore

Yeah, I don’t buy that “she excommunicated herself” line unless there is some official rejection of her membership in the church by someone who matters.


33 posted on 06/20/2013 1:00:57 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: schm0e

In the eyes of Fr. Pavone, this is NOT PR. I know him. I am positive he agrees with all of us that this witch needs to be excommunicated publicly.


34 posted on 06/20/2013 1:02:40 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Paul46360

“You have sat here far too long to be of any further use. Leave, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, GO!’’.


35 posted on 06/20/2013 1:02:56 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: servo1969
Finally, someone from the Catholic church condemning her “sacred abortion” talk.

The Vatican needs to step in and excommunicate her

36 posted on 06/20/2013 1:03:03 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: ThomasMore

I don’t think it’s his place to excommunicate her. Is it an official Church action? I didn’t think so.


37 posted on 06/20/2013 1:04:06 PM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: faithhopecharity

She may go to mass every Sunday...

...but I bet it’s a Black Mass...


38 posted on 06/20/2013 1:04:25 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: servo1969
Today's Catholicism is a far cry from what it once was, pre-Vatican 2.
39 posted on 06/20/2013 1:04:42 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: deoetdoctrinae
...another 55 gallon drum of Thorazine for Ms. Pelosi.....
40 posted on 06/20/2013 1:05:18 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: servo1969

About time this liar got called out.


41 posted on 06/20/2013 1:06:57 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: servo1969

Hey. There’s always Dolan. Ask Slow Joe.


42 posted on 06/20/2013 1:07:14 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: ThomasMore; All

Indeed. Her private excommunication would not seem to do her much good if it hasn’t convinced her of the gravity of her situation.

Because remember (all), the real point of excommunication is to help the one excommunicated, not to say to them, “Begone dirty sinner, rot in Hell!”

No, the real point of excommunication is to let the person know they are in grave danger of hellfire if they don’t change their ways immediately. Her private excommunication does not seem to have had this effect. Maybe a public one would.

Or maybe not. Again, returning to the point of an excommunication (to help a person), if a public one would make her even more obstinate, her local ordinary may feel it could harm her more than help her. That MAY be the thinking here.

Thinking rooted ultimately in the feel good, Kumbaya type of Catholicism from the 60s and 70s, and the bishopric we now “enjoy” from that era.

IOW, in 20-30 years, when the pendulum has swung away from that dark time in Church history, and we enjoy a more orthodox bishopric, we may see a greater willingness to use such a last resort. Or perhaps not.

Because again, it’s for the sinner not the Church that one is excommunicated. Let’s remember that and keep this wretched woman (and those like her) in our prayers.


43 posted on 06/20/2013 1:17:00 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: servo1969
“Otherwise, you would have been able to explain the difference between a legal medical procedure that kills a baby inside the womb and an act of murder.”

Why is someone's Right to Life dependent on anatomical "geography"?

On one side of your mother's cervix, you have a right to life; on the other side you can be dismembered at will.

44 posted on 06/20/2013 1:17:05 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: onedoug

While we’re on the subject, how about Cuomo?


45 posted on 06/20/2013 1:18:52 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: servo1969

the outcry from his fellow Baptists would be audible from Tanzania.”

Raised as a Southern Baptist and I can guarantee you there would be a huge uproar.

Went to a Christmas program when I first came to Houston in the mid-80’s at one of the Baptist churches. First half was secular. There were people dancing on the stage. My son leaned over and mentioned that his grandmother was probably rolling over in her grave to think that we were watching such a display in the church.


46 posted on 06/20/2013 1:19:57 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: servo1969

It’s about damn time! Now let’s see some follow through the next time she tries to get communion.


47 posted on 06/20/2013 1:21:37 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: ThomasMore; All

Another possibility is that her local bishop has already explained to her that she has excommunicated herself privately, but she refuses to accept it. Thus, he sees no need to publicize her excommunication as it would do no good.

If that’s the case though, his excellency should instruct her parish priest to withhold the Sacrament of the Eucharist from her until she confesses her sin.

Who knows though. Keep her in prayer.


48 posted on 06/20/2013 1:22:04 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: PATRIOT1876

well.... i’m not blaming her for this, but just coincidentally perhaps ,... the church in this link is located in her congressional district close to her office

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/ChaplainsHandbook.html


49 posted on 06/20/2013 1:22:31 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (()
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To: no-to-illegals

May it be so!

Must ping this one out...


50 posted on 06/20/2013 1:22:56 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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