Posted on 06/20/2013 1:38:51 PM PDT by neverdem
Climate experts have long predicted that temperatures would rise in parallel with greenhouse gas emissions. But, for 15 years, they haven't. In a SPIEGEL interview, meteorologist Hans von Storch discusses how this "puzzle" might force scientists to alter what could be "fundamentally wrong" models.
SPIEGEL: Mr. Storch, Germany has recently seen major flooding. Is global warming the culprit?
Storch: I'm not aware of any studies showing that floods happen more often today than in the past. I also just attended a hydrologists' conference in Koblenz, and none of the scientists there described such a finding.
SPIEGEL: But don't climate simulations for Germany's latitudes predict that, as temperatures rise, there will be less, not more, rain in the summers?
Storch: That only appears to be contradictory. We actually do expect there to be less total precipitation during the summer months. But there may be more extreme weather events, in which a great deal of rain falls from the sky within a short span of time. But since there has been only moderate global warming so far, climate change shouldn't be playing a major role in any case yet.
SPIEGEL: Would you say that people no longer reflexively attribute every severe weather event to global warming as much as they once did?
Storch: Yes, my impression is that there is less hysteria over the climate. There are certainly still people who almost ritualistically cry, "Stop thief! Climate change is at fault!" over any natural disaster. But people are now talking much more about the likely causes of flooding, such as land being paved over or the disappearance of natural flood zones -- and that's a good thing.
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This is why the alarmists no longer talk about Global Warming. Now it is Global Climate Change.
Global Climate Change is so much more flexible than Global Cooling or Global Warming were.
Is it warmer today than average? It is because of Global Climate Change.
Is it cooler today than average? It is because of Global Climate Change.
Is it wetter, dryer, windier, less windy, cloudier, less cloudy? It doesn’t matter! Whatever the weather happens to be, it is because of Global Climate Change.
It is all Bush’s fault. The only hope we have is to tax and spend more!
Because when things get hotter, they give off more heat.
That causes heat to be lost (for the earth, to space).
As water is absorbed into the atmosphere, it forms more clouds, which increases the earths reflectivity, reducing the heat absorbed from the sun.
As carbon dioxide increases, plants grow faster.
Feedback loops lead to non-linear processes, so any non-trivial attempts to predict the future from the past are doomed to fail
“Why Is Global Warming Stagnating?”
Oh, oh, I know it’s because we are not spending enough money on research and not destroying industries and putting people out of work fast enough!
“might force scientists to alter what could be “fundamentally wrong” models.”
“might force scientists to alter what are “delusional thinking” models.”
Fixed it.
But don’t climate simulations do what the programmer wants it to do
“Why Is Global Warming Stagnating?”
I’ll take what is reality for $500 Alex.
How about because it deos not exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here is the idiocy on full display:
“SPIEGEL: What could be wrong with the models?
Storch: There are two conceivable explanations — and neither is very pleasant for us. The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO , have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn’t mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed. The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes.”
TO THESE BUFFOONS, IT’S “UNPLEASANT” THERE IS NO CRISIS. TO THE REST OF US, IT’S GOOD. THE BUFFOONS CARE ONLY ABOUT PROMOTING A CRISIS; WE CARE ABOUT REALITY. GOD I hate these idiots!
Because it’s bullsh*t
They are really starting to backpedal, aren’t they?
heard on news today that this spring is the 8th warmest in last 100 yrs. that is hard for me to believe. it has been a very mild if not cool spring in my area.
Because they were making up data when what they collected did not support their predetermined results. IOW they lie like rugs/RATs/Muslims.
We’ve warmed out of the last ice age over the past 12-15,000 years and we may have reached the peak point, or maybe not. But we can’t do a thing to affect it anyway.
SPIEGEL: That sounds quite embarrassing for your profession, if you have to go back and adjust your models to fit with reality…
Yes, embarrassing, indeed, to have to make one's model fit with reality. Heh.
Yes, here in the Philippines the "greens" are always preaching climate change and green stuff (just ignore those people in the Manila slums who fled from their eco friendly farms where they lived in extreme poverty).
but now, ordinary thunderstorms are making Manila's streets flood...the problem? lack of proper sewers, and those that exist tend to fill with debris and garbage...
And then there is the "posh" neighborhoods built below sea level against the zoning law...a little "gift" will let you build in dangerous areas.
I guess the third explanation, that your models are crap and there is no man-made greenhouse effect, is just inconceivable.
It's VERY unpleasant that the giant catastrophes predicted by the Global Warming grifters are not going to befall us.
If ONLY a worldwide famine would happen during an unusual warm spell.
If ONLY the temperature would rise like in that Twilight Zone where everyone was hot, but it turned out to actually be cold—either way we would win because it would be a disaster!
If ONLY everyone’s freedoms and money was taken away so that we, the elite, could pretend that man made Climate Change was real and we alone could survive.
...but now our dreams of destruction and misery are dashed....it's a terrible day for all the AGW promoting “scientists”.
Reality is the biggest threat to global warming.
SPIEGEL: Are there findings related to global warming that worry you?
Storch: The potential acidification of the oceans due to CO2 entering them from the atmosphere. This is a phenomenon that seems sinister to me, perhaps in part because I understand too little about it. But if marine animals are no longer able to form shells and skeletons well, it will affect nutrient cycles in the oceans. And that certainly makes me nervous.
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