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BUSH-ERA NSA WHISTLEBLOWER MAKES MOST EXPLOSIVE ALLEGATIONS YET
The Blaze ^ | 6/20/2013 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 06/20/2013 9:53:21 PM PDT by NYRepublican72

Russ Tice, a former intelligence analyst and Bush-era NSA whistleblower, claimed Wednesday that the intelligence community has ordered surveillance on a wide range of groups and individuals, including high-ranking military officials, lawmakers and diplomats.

He also made another stunning allegation. He says the NSA had ordered wiretaps on phones connected to then-Senate candidate Barack Obama back in 2004.

“They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the armed services committees and some of the–and judicial,” Tice told Peter B. Collins on Boiling Frog Post News.

He went on: “But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House–their own people.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2014election; 2016election; benghazi; election2014; election2016; fastandfurious; impeachnow; irs; nsa; nsaleak; nsawhistleblower; russelltice; russtice; tice
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Could this be Beck's "bombshell?"
1 posted on 06/20/2013 9:53:21 PM PDT by NYRepublican72
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This must be “IT”


2 posted on 06/20/2013 9:56:58 PM PDT by V K Lee
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To: NYRepublican72
Why would anyone not already outraged give a darn about tapping nobody Obama's phone back in the hazy past.
3 posted on 06/20/2013 9:57:14 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
Why would anyone not already outraged give a darn about tapping nobody Obama's phone back in the hazy past. Especially if they never used the dirt against candidate Zero when they had the chance. The alleged dirt dug up on generals and Supreme Court justices is interesting though.
4 posted on 06/20/2013 10:00:41 PM PDT by NYRepublican72
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To: NYRepublican72
Considering the timing of this revelation my meter says..


5 posted on 06/20/2013 10:01:57 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: NYRepublican72

-> Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House–their own people

Mobsters and political assassins have taken over the government completely. No other way to explain this. Explains why Chicago is a killing field and while many American cities are increasing with gang violence. The past two cities that I lived in the police chiefs in both cities denied that they even had gang activities. The gangs were in both cites. Now, they are in D.C., too just the kinds who have political power and sends the person out to do what needs to be done. D.C. is infested with corruption.


6 posted on 06/20/2013 10:05:59 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: NYRepublican72
I read the story.

This guy is no Fast Eddie Snowden.

What he had to say is told in "story" form.

His story is too sweet.

I am not buying any of what he had to say.

Some guy looking for some celebrity on the back of Fast Eddie.

Fast Eddie took a thumb drive to back him up.

This guy nothing but his name to back him up and that name is not good enough in my book.

Guys like this do more harm than good because they get discredited and muck things up.

They have not discredited a bit of what Fast Eddie has said so far.

They can only call him a traitor and point out that he ended up in China.

7 posted on 06/20/2013 10:07:00 PM PDT by metafugitive
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To: metafugitive

Maybe his car will hit a tree.

Gee. People come out and risk their lives for celebrity- hood.


8 posted on 06/20/2013 10:08:57 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: NYRepublican72

Isn’t this just a way to say Obama is innocent because Bush started it?


9 posted on 06/20/2013 10:11:33 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: NYRepublican72

He says the NSA had ordered wiretaps on phones connected to then-Senate candidate Barack Obama back in 2004.
***If these guys couldn’t stop a usurper from taking the most powerful seat in the world, they have no business spying on us. Catching terrorists, whadda buncha bowlsheet.


10 posted on 06/20/2013 10:11:43 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: ransomnote

I think that is what the fella is implying.

It just shows me there is nothing worth saving in DC, other than our Constitution.

DC is a nest of corruption and we are feeding these parasites.


11 posted on 06/20/2013 10:15:03 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: darkwing104

Agreed.


12 posted on 06/20/2013 10:15:07 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: NYRepublican72

I didn’t see the Clintons mentioned.


13 posted on 06/20/2013 10:16:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: NYRepublican72

Sorry, but for anyone in the past or present intelligence community or even on the fringe, this is about as surprising as bacon for breakfast. My late father was a USMC commo chief when he retired and later was hired by Southern Bell to tap phones all day, every day. That was 1968.


14 posted on 06/20/2013 10:17:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: darkwing104

??? Seven years later, he has NEW info he didn’t share in 2006?

10-15 articles on whistleblower Tice circa 2006
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/russelltice/index?tab=articles


15 posted on 06/20/2013 10:20:52 PM PDT by thouworm (Steyn: They let [Stevens] die, and then told lies over his coffin.They did that to one of their own.)
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To: NYRepublican72

He only made it about halfway through the Bush era: The NSA fired him in May 2005.

Tice was a key source in the New York Times’ first reveal of the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping of foreign-domestic calls. That was, as I recall, at the end of 2005.

So where were all these “explosive allegations” then? While he was explaining to the New York Times how the Bush administration was spying on al-Qaeda, he never mentioned that they were spying on our own military leaders?


16 posted on 06/20/2013 10:25:08 PM PDT by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: ransomnote
Isn’t this just a way to say Obama is innocent because Bush started it?

If then-Senator thug Zero was wiretapped, the Bush NSA did an incompetent job of stopping him from getting elected to the Senate and the Oval Office.

President Zero on the other hand.......

17 posted on 06/20/2013 10:25:57 PM PDT by NYRepublican72
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To: NYRepublican72

so they tapped obama. no wonder bush was so friendly to him.


18 posted on 06/20/2013 10:27:14 PM PDT by dadfly
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To: NYRepublican72
Oh my goodness. Poor, poor, King Barry is a victim of the evil NSA !!

Looks like a desperate PR attempt to me since it's more likely to bring more whistle-blowers out of the woodwork when the NSA sees that King Barry is going to throw the whole agency under the bus.

19 posted on 06/20/2013 10:28:24 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: metafugitive

“Guys like this do more harm than good because they get discredited and muck things up.”

I think you have come across the reason behind this “revelation”. Lord knows, Obama could use some “mucking things up” just about now.


20 posted on 06/20/2013 10:30:35 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: NYRepublican72

Could be the Dem election strategy started in 2004?


21 posted on 06/20/2013 10:36:03 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: NYRepublican72
One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court that I had his wiretap information in my hand.

This is HUGH. I'm SERIES.

22 posted on 06/20/2013 10:43:28 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: JimSEA
thouworm in post 15 linked to this thread from 2006

Fox News is reporting that Russell Tice, the "NSA Whistle Blower" now the darling of the NY Times and the Left, lost his sceurity clearance in 2003 and was subsequently fired after being diagnosed as a "psychotic paranoid." He was reassigned from the job of China Analyst to the NSA Motor Pool (I am not making this up) before his firing for further, unknown failings. This is the guy who has "blown the whistle" on President Bush.

23 posted on 06/20/2013 10:44:53 PM PDT by metafugitive
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To: NYRepublican72
He says the NSA had ordered wiretaps on phones connected to then-Senate candidate Barack Obama back in 2004

Yeah, well, wasn't he known to have had involvement in the New Party? To have had numerous ties to the communist party? To have had ties to known domestic terrorists like Ayers and Dohrn? Not exactly the kind of guy with America's best interest at heart. Wonder if they were still monitoring when he visited Odinga in 06.

24 posted on 06/20/2013 10:53:19 PM PDT by PeevedPatriot (If Roe v Wade established a right to privacy, Obamacare cannot be constitutional.)
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To: ransomnote

Not only that, this story also frames it as if under Bush they were not only going after citizens records, but the records of high ranking public officials.

This isn’t just everyone does it, it’s Bush was far worse, and nobody cared then. So leave me alone...


25 posted on 06/20/2013 11:03:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Kennedy: Today I am a Berliner / Reagan: Gorbachev tear down this wall / Obama: I can't read this...)
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To: Christie at the beach

Or we’ll find out he wanted a antebellum themed wedding.


26 posted on 06/20/2013 11:03:45 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: NYRepublican72

The real story here is confirmation of the surveillance blackmail state. Our government is controlled under threat of blackmail by spooks, who then use that power to give themselves ever more expansive powers to spy on citizens.


27 posted on 06/20/2013 11:17:29 PM PDT by PlanToDisappear
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To: PlanToDisappear
Back on '09, he told Olbermann that they collected on the media:

'"An organization that was collected on were US news organizations and reporters and journalists."'.

28 posted on 06/20/2013 11:21:11 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: metafugitive

I’m willing to believe this guy’s story. I heard about a Texas politician who had a run-in with Bush and Rove when George W. was governor. Then on the same day of Bush’s inauguration, he gets a call from the IRS to say he’s going to get audited. George W. had a real mean streak and the public didn’t know about it since he could play a dumbass on TV and a dumbass often looks harmless.


29 posted on 06/20/2013 11:27:50 PM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: metafugitive
Fox News is reporting that Russell Tice, the "NSA Whistle Blower" now the darling of the NY Times and the Left, lost his sceurity clearance in 2003 and was subsequently fired after being diagnosed as a "psychotic paranoid."

history commons Are they all "crazy"? Sounds like the NSA may have a convenient way to silence any dissent if you can believe this article.
30 posted on 06/20/2013 11:28:54 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: NYRepublican72

...and Hilda just had 800 FBI files because she liked the color of the envelopes.


31 posted on 06/20/2013 11:35:52 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Girlene
Are they all "crazy"? Sounds like the NSA may have a convenient way to silence any dissent if you can believe this article.

I am not sure Tice was crazy.

Fox News was obviously getting its information directly from Tokyo Rove and Dick Cheney who are propagandists in the tradition of Goebbels. On the other hand the New York Times was using him for political purposes and he was most likely embellishing his story to please them who were making him a hero.

What makes Snowden unique was he had a thumbdrive and the information that he was providing was not entirely from his memory.

I believe the NSA was wiretapping but I do not believe that Tice's story to the Blaze is credible because it became more specific over seven years time and he never claimed that he took documents with him.

32 posted on 06/20/2013 11:43:41 PM PDT by metafugitive
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To: TexGrill
Bush had two mean streaks, one was named Rove and the other was named Cheney.

If they were collecting information about their enemies, they would have done a better job of using it.

Craig Livingstone gave Hilary and Bill the FBI files and they took down Newt and Livingston in the period of a few weeks.

If they were collecting information on Obama back in 2004 or any of that Chicago gang, Barry would have been where Jesse Jackson Jr is headed now.

I do not think either Bush or Obama used the NSA to dig up dirt on their opponents directly without going through the FBI.

Obama was obviously more comfortable doing things the old fashioned way at the IRS by releasing tax information which is a felony and should be pursued.

33 posted on 06/21/2013 12:05:24 AM PDT by metafugitive
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To: NYRepublican72
The federal government has been blatantly trampling on the very principle of every man's Privacy, an Unalienable Right which has been cherished since even before our Revolution.

The ferragummit is using our Natural Rights and Constitution for toilet paper. It has to stop. If there's any justice and sanity to the People, this will become the theme of the next two elections, thanks to a few real statesmen (and women) and whoever runs on a Presidential platform of radical (and necessary and proper) federal government reform, will win the Presidency and lead us into a new era of individual Liberty, minimal government, and Opportunity for all.

Either that or the Welfare/Police State win roll over every vestige of American Freedom, and the Republic can truly be said to have fallen...

34 posted on 06/21/2013 12:14:41 AM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these here Boncentration Bamps!)
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To: ransomnote
no kidding but our local rag ran a front page story on Watergate the other day.....

the minions are going to change the subject and go after republicans no matter what...

35 posted on 06/21/2013 1:28:40 AM PDT by cherry
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To: NYRepublican72

Eric Holder in so many words ADMITTED they were SPYING on CONGRESS and JUDGES!!!!!! IMPEACHMENT!!!


36 posted on 06/21/2013 1:52:23 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: metafugitive

Thanks Newbie!!!


37 posted on 06/21/2013 1:53:48 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: metafugitive

Absent even a shred of evidence I am astounded anyone here or anywhere gives any credence to what this guy says.

He was fired from his job with the NSA and that is a fact. Whether some here claim he was railroaded carries no more weight than the un substantiated charges he is making now.

All hear say, every single word of it.


38 posted on 06/21/2013 1:54:02 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: NYRepublican72

Ping for later.


39 posted on 06/21/2013 2:52:27 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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So it’s all Bush’s fault....I guess they will try to impeach him..


40 posted on 06/21/2013 3:30:12 AM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: metafugitive

Anyone who thinks this issue isn’t RINO/Democrat bipartisan just hasn’t been paying attention.


41 posted on 06/21/2013 3:41:54 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: NYRepublican72
Why would anyone not already outraged give a darn about tapping nobody Obama's phone back in the hazy past. Especially if they never used the dirt against candidate Zero when they had the chance. The alleged dirt dug up on generals and Supreme Court justices is interesting though.
42 posted on 06/21/2013 4:50:41 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: NYRepublican72; hinckley buzzard
HB...Why would anyone not already outraged give a darn about tapping nobody Obama's phone back in the hazy past.

NYR72...Especially if they never used the dirt against candidate Zero when they had the chance.

You just don't know what to scrub if you can't see the dirt.....jmo

43 posted on 06/21/2013 4:56:04 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: metafugitive

BTTT!!!


44 posted on 06/21/2013 4:58:46 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Kevmo
If these guys couldn’t stop a usurper from taking the most powerful seat in the world, they have no business spying on us.

Who says they WANTED to stop him?

45 posted on 06/21/2013 5:01:31 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: metafugitive
My point was that the NSA may have a history of shutting up its whistleblowers with claims of them being crazy. CNSnews wrote an article about this which didn't just involve Rice.

NSA Whistleblowers Were Allegedly Isolated, Intimidated

For someone who just signed up in the last couple of weeks, you seem to be in a hurry to do the same - brand the messenger as crazy.
46 posted on 06/21/2013 5:07:00 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: NYRepublican72

It is interesting that during Obama’s reign that both General Patraeus and Chief Justice Roberts appear to have been used by the administration and have been spied on by NSA. I never heard of Bush twisting arms like the rumors about Obama.


47 posted on 06/21/2013 5:08:13 AM PDT by tioga
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To: NYRepublican72

So, *IF* this is true then someone went to great lengths/risk to have the ability to blackmail many key figures in government.

Is there *any* chance they would take these risks and not seek the rewards/benefits of these actions?


48 posted on 06/21/2013 5:18:35 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Irenic

It just shows me there is nothing worth saving in DC, other than our Constitution.


I hit this point in 2006. It is one of the reasons I moved from my home of 45 years, Seattle, to a farm in central Kentucky. No, I am not retired. Finding work before I moved was the hardest part.

But yeah. It’s both parties except for some guys like Cruz.

Voting is for losers. My family showed up in downtown Seattle when Hillary came trying to push her health care gauntlet. We and about 3,500 like minded americans changed the course of history that day and nobody voted.

On a side note, regardint national politics, I went from one state where my vote makes to difference to another where it makes no difference - but for the opposite reason. :-)


49 posted on 06/21/2013 5:18:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: NYRepublican72

Could this be Beck’s “bombshell?”


Didn’t that play out already. And so far his bombshells have been just that - empty shells. I was suckered into several of them until I wised up.


50 posted on 06/21/2013 5:19:33 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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