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Why Bother with New Border Agents?
6/21/13 | Originalbuckeye

Posted on 06/21/2013 8:44:07 AM PDT by originalbuckeye

The agents we already have are blocked from doing their jobs now. Why will 20,000 new agents help?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borderagents; borderwars; chat; vanity
A band aid on a gaping wound. These agents will be unionized and will cost oodles of money in salary, benefits and retirement. The Obama/Holder Justice Dept will not allow our law enforcement agencies to do their job now.........why would more agents help our situation???
1 posted on 06/21/2013 8:44:07 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: originalbuckeye

They need all those new agents to replace the ones they put in jail for doing their job. Insanity at its finest.


2 posted on 06/21/2013 8:47:11 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for SMALLER , HONEST government)
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To: originalbuckeye

They need them to arrest Americans trying to escape.


3 posted on 06/21/2013 8:48:49 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

You know, you may actually have something there...


4 posted on 06/21/2013 8:52:46 AM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: originalbuckeye

Helps the unemployment stats.

As does the number people having to take two part time jobs because their fulltime job hours were cut by companies looking for ways to avoid paying for Obamacare.


5 posted on 06/21/2013 8:53:07 AM PDT by DJ Frisat ((optional, printed after my name on post))
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Best post of the day.


6 posted on 06/21/2013 8:53:15 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: originalbuckeye

What makes anybody think we would hire any of these agents or build the fence, or institute E-Verify or install high tech monitors? Just because there is a law that requires these things, doesn’t mean “squat” if it isn’t going to be enforced. We are not enforcing the border security laws passed years ago, so why would we think new ones will be enforced. I think some of our legislators are very naive.


7 posted on 06/21/2013 8:53:17 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: originalbuckeye

It’s just a means to get senate votes. Imagine there’s another sequester, guess what will be the first think that Janet Napolitano will say can’t be done because of budget cuts. She’s aleady said as much. She won’t eliminate worthless bureaucrats in some building somewhere, she’ll eliminate border patrol agents. And this while she says out of the other side of her mouth, that the border is more secure than it’s ever been.


8 posted on 06/21/2013 8:55:24 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: originalbuckeye

They’ll be stationed at the border, passing out maps, water bottles, EBT cards, and contact informaton for various DNC “outreach” programs.


9 posted on 06/21/2013 8:55:33 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: originalbuckeye

BINGO!!! The DOJ and Janet NapoliMANo won’t let ANY ILLEGAL get ARRESTED or DEPORTED!!


10 posted on 06/21/2013 8:56:35 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

hmmmm....you could be right....they will be coming for our 401K’s AND our GUNS VERY soon!!!


11 posted on 06/21/2013 8:57:33 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: cotton1706

bttt


12 posted on 06/21/2013 8:57:38 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: tacticalogic

You forgot the Obamaphones.


13 posted on 06/21/2013 8:57:50 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Truth/Lies; Liberty/Tyranny--WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??)
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To: originalbuckeye

Maybe the guards can set up a long row of manned desks along the border and trip a few of the millions of illegals streaming in to get in on the amnesty deal. Sitting and watching is about all they’ll be allowed to do.


14 posted on 06/21/2013 8:58:52 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: originalbuckeye

They could be utilized like the 6,000 National Guards under Bush 2 — paperwork, washing vehicles, filing.

Recall that the 6,000 figure was deceptive. They were on rotation of about 1,500 at a time — for 2 week periods. IIRC, they were not even allowed to carry weapons or have live ammo.


15 posted on 06/21/2013 8:59:14 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: originalbuckeye

Exactly. It is a way to get more unionized people who support Dem causes and know who “butters their toast.” They will not stop anyone because they will end up in the prisons (unions), arrested by cops (unions), work in low-paying jobs (SEIU), go to public schools (unionized teachers) or become wards of the state (Democrat voters, unionized government worker programs).

It’s about votes and make-work jobs.


16 posted on 06/21/2013 9:03:16 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I have posted similar in numerous related threads: 5 minutes after this bill is signed into law, all those undesirable provisions, amendments, sections, will be tossed in the trash. They have not intention of fulfilling them.

Heck, I can recall the late Tony Snow as press secretary proclaiming vehemently that the fence had been built -- except for a small portion. [That small portion ended up being a couple thousand miles.]

I recall Janet Napolitano stating that the border is the most secure that it had ever been.

This new immigration bill is the same ole shuffle, same ole shell game, same ole song and dance. It grants amnesty (legalization or whatever they are calling it this go-round) and gives illegals massive benefits.
17 posted on 06/21/2013 9:07:57 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: originalbuckeye
Why will 20,000 new agents help?

They will help provide cover to the RINOs that vote for Amnesty. Of course none of the border security provisions will actually be enacted but you can sure as Hell bet that the Amnesty will be enforced - with a vengeance.

18 posted on 06/21/2013 9:11:04 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: originalbuckeye

Course it won’t help. I guess ODimwit will get to say, “See? I created jobs!”


19 posted on 06/21/2013 9:22:52 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: originalbuckeye

Excellent question!!


20 posted on 06/21/2013 9:23:18 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: originalbuckeye

It will give Eric Holder’s people gainful union employment, just like the TSA.


21 posted on 06/21/2013 9:47:21 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: wac3rd

Most BP Agents are members of the union ONLY because of the legal protection its provides.

Most BP Agents are not dems and they certainly have no luv or respect for Nappy-Pants and The Big Zero.


22 posted on 06/21/2013 10:09:42 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: originalbuckeye

He we go again.. In 2008 0bama began immediately throwing tax dollars towards liberal groups and federal hiring, ensuring the growth of his Democrat voter base. Now here he is AGAIN throwing billions of dollars at ACORN, Planned Parenthood, federal workers including 20,000 new Border Patrol agents WHO WILL DO NOTHING BUT STARE AT DIRT.. In 2008 all 0bama cared about was winning in 2012, now here he is doing the same damn thing all over again for Hillary, with the WORST Democrat voter grower scheme of ALL, Immigration ‘reform’.


23 posted on 06/21/2013 10:12:59 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: originalbuckeye

The sequester supposedly made it necessary to lay off and reduce salaries of current border patrol officers. Why promise more when we aren’t supporting the ones we had? The answer: appearances and politics.


24 posted on 06/21/2013 10:15:10 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: originalbuckeye
The border is 2000 miles long. so 20,000 new agents is 10 agents per mile. Assuming each of these agents makes on average 40,000, this will cost $800,000,000

They need to put back up the Bush Era surveilance cameras that Obama took down saying that they didn't work because they couldn't distinguish wild animals from people. They need to figure out how to make that work. It can't be that hard.

Then they need to add drones. A scaneagle only costs $100,000. It only has surveilance cameras and no missles. 600 drones, 3 for every 10 miles, would cost $60,000,000. (My guess is you don't need that many.

The cost of a border fence has been estimated at $49 billion. Border Fence costs My guess is that you can do it much cheaper than that.

Add some electic currents to the fence to tell when it's been cut. A technique easily defeated by those who are aware of it, but it gives you more time to spot them with the drones.

Then station border patrols every 10 miles. That would be 200 border patrols. If you man Each with 5 shifts (3 weekday, 2 weekend), 5 officers each, you'd need 200x5x5 = 5000 agents. That's $200,000,000, freeing up $600,000,000 to pay for all of the above.

And you'd have 5 officers within 5 miles of any given border point and 10 officers within 10 miles of any given border point. 25 officers within 20 miles of any given border point.

25 posted on 06/21/2013 10:31:06 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: originalbuckeye

Senate Immigration Deal Would Double Number Of U.S. Border Agents

http://news.yahoo.com/senate-immigration-deal-double-number-u-border-agents-154801887.html

Why bother?


26 posted on 06/21/2013 10:42:40 AM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: originalbuckeye; dragnet2; servo1969; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; Kaslin; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

Answers from this thread:

1)They need all those new agents to replace the ones they put in jail for doing their job.

2) They need them to arrest Americans trying to escape.

3) Helps the unemployment stats. As does the number people having to take two part time jobs because their fulltime job hours were cut by companies looking for ways to avoid paying for Obamacare.

4) More money for DHS.

5) They’ll be stationed at the border, passing out maps, water bottles, EBT cards, and contact informaton for various DNC “outreach” programs.

6) It is a way to get more unionized people who support Dem causes and know who “butters their toast.”


27 posted on 06/21/2013 2:01:08 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; originalbuckeye; dragnet2; servo1969; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; Kaslin; ..

” 1)They need all those new agents to replace the ones they put in jail for doing their job.”

Folks, we have a WINNER!


28 posted on 06/21/2013 2:06:49 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

#6 is what concerns me.

“6) It is a way to get more unionized people who support Dem causes and know who “butters their toast.””


29 posted on 06/21/2013 3:45:19 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

To be clear, no BP Agents were laid-off nor where their salaries reduced.

Overtime was reduced therefore the over-time pay (AUO) was reduced.

No one lost a GS pay-grade or step pay, and everyone that is a BP Agent kept their job. No one was laid-off.


30 posted on 06/22/2013 6:10:58 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: DannyTN

“They need to put back up the Bush Era surveilance cameras that Obama took down saying that they didn’t work because they couldn’t distinguish wild animals from people. They need to figure out how to make that work. It can’t be that hard. “

Bush-era systems are a suite of sensors, too include MSS trucks. The program you are thinking of was awarded during Bush’s time but never fielded before he left office.

Currently, the BP have cameras and other surveillance technologies. You are talking about the electronic “fence” that was made up of permanently placed towers that had various sensors, and these towers were to link all their sensors to provide a common picture that could be operated centrally. This program was cancelled by Nappy-Pants. Boeing had the contract and the project was developing and becoming viable. . .to include refining the sensor to determine animal from man (and yes, that is VERY hard to do.)

“Then they need to add drones.”

They have a fleet of Predators they use along the border.

Scan-Eagles do not have the loiter time or range necessary to fly the mission, and Scan-Eagles can’t carry the packages the Predators use. . . .those sensors are far more capable with “longer” and more detailed eyes than what a Scan-Eagle can carry.


31 posted on 06/22/2013 6:21:48 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
“6) It is a way to get more unionized people who support Dem causes and know who “butters their toast.””

As I posted before, most BP Agents are not dems and they only belong to the union because of the lawyers they provide (and they need/use then all the time because Nappy-Pants encourages the meHEco government to harass Agents.

The lawyers the union has are not that good but it's all they got. Agents don't make enough to buy a lawyer.

32 posted on 06/22/2013 6:24:56 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Impy; stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; BillyBoy

See Post 32.

A vast majority of BP Agents despise Nappy-Pants, The Big Zero and all those illegal-luving politicos out there.

BP Agents are not your usual federal employee. Far from it.

They work alone or in pairs, hours from back-up, using their brain and guts to take-down illegal aliens and drug smugglers. . .they are men of courage, not federal union cowards. They simply have no respect for weak people like this administration.


33 posted on 06/22/2013 6:28:58 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; BillyBoy
A vast majority of BP Agents despise Nappy-Pants, The Big Zero and all those illegal-luving politicos out there. BP Agents are not your usual federal employee. Far from it. They work alone or in pairs, hours from back-up, using their brain and guts to take-down illegal aliens and drug smugglers. . .they are men of courage, not federal union cowards. They simply have no respect for weak people like this administration.

I am on the side of BP people who are fighting against O's and Nappy's efforts to hobble immigration enforcement. I think the root problem is that US voters do not, as a whole, hold them accountable.

O would like to have an obsequious BP, voters, etc. (that's why he wants to import 3rd world voters). Bribes ans amnesty are his main approaches to accomplish that.

34 posted on 06/22/2013 4:38:33 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Hulka

Thank you for the info. However, I personally know a family where the husband is/was border patrol in El Paso. I can clarify from their family what exactly the circumstance is. I remember that his salary was reduced to the point that they are not able to live comfortably, something also about significant job changes. I will check into it; your claims may be correct but don’t quite jive with what this family experienced.


35 posted on 06/23/2013 6:06:28 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

My son is a BP Agent. Injured once on the job. Shot a drug smuggler once, as well.

Anyway, if you check with your friends they will tell you no GS pay-grade (or Step) salary reductions took place.

However, AUO is part of discussions.

I think this is where the confusion is, confusing AOU with salary.

AUO is basically an automatic “overtime” pay, best way to describe it. This is the focus of cost-cutting reductions.

Here is an informative link from a BP website (I am sure your friends in the BP know of it): http://forums.delphiforums.com/borderpatrol/messages/?msg=55549.1

Also, http://forums.delphiforums.com/borderpatrol/messages/?msg=55549.1

Your friends will verify this info.


36 posted on 06/23/2013 6:23:34 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: outinyellowdogcountry

Border Patrol was operating with “permanent” overtime, it was consistent and it was necessary so they could spend their shift in the field- overtime was used as commute time to and from their area of operations. The overtime was taken away- which amounted to quite a pay cut for agents- also took agents out of the field for X hours per day, commute time to and from the field is now taken out of their shift in the field. They may actually be in the field only 4-6 hours now, less in really remote areas.

It has cut coverage on the border, at any given time their are less agents available. Smuggling has noticeably increased. It has also caused financial hardship for those that lost the overtime that was set up as part of their regular pay- though technically it was always overtime.

It would have made more sense to sequester other personnel but this was all designed to cause the most pain.


37 posted on 06/23/2013 6:36:50 AM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Tammy8; outinyellowdogcountry

To be clear, AUO was not taken away.

It was reduced from 25% to 20%.


38 posted on 06/23/2013 2:17:07 PM PDT by Hulka
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