Skip to comments.BREAKING: Zimmerman Judge Rules Out Audio Experts
Posted on 06/22/2013 9:24:04 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER
In a major blow for the prosecution in the George Zimmerman case, a judge on Saturday barred the testimony of two audio experts who suggested that a taped 911 call indicated Trayvon Martin was crying out for help during the violent struggle that ended with a gunshot,
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what about the defense audio experts?
That’s 1 point for justice. Of course, he shouldn’t be there in the 1st place but I’d take it.
Maybe there aren’t any. His words on the call speak for themselves.....where the audio experts were interpreting nonverbal noises? Just my SWAG.
It sounds like the judge might have felt they were going beyond their level of established expertise in the proposed testimony. Too many begged questions. Good sense may yet prevail.
I believe ego is a common reason for this. The judge wants to look brilliant and smart and precedent-making etc. rather than trying to be fair, which is dullsville from an ego standpoint. (However striving to be fair does thrill God.)
So Best Buy employees can’t testify?
Were they named "Sharpton" and "Jackson" ?
what about the defense audio experts?
The defense audio experts were honest and testified that it was impossible to identify the “screamer” based upon the poor quality of the recording and the few split seconds available for analysis.
The idea that one could conclude it was Tray "screaming" by matching it to his normal voice was stupid.
Not likely. I believe "audio experts" are people that have some experience in listening.
They are still available to the defense. I don’t see a great use for them, off the top of my head, but they can be called.
Frankly, I think there is now “someone” she is “personally” consulting with on this case....and that she would like out because she knows there is no case against Zimmerman.
Maybe not, the defense experts would have blown the prosecution’s ‘experts’ out of the water — in front of the jury.
“...my feeling is after listening to the prosecution’s audio witness is that some people will say anything for money...he seemed to be a real scumbag...imho”
I listened to that idiot being interviewed and I agree wholeheartedly with this-—if you leave out the two words ‘seemed to’.
Remember the movie, “Lock Up”, I think it was, with Sylvester Stallone and Patrick Swayze? The “audio expert” was the mole.
Wait...I think it was Kurt Russell?
I also wonder if she thought that the audio stuff was so flaky that if the prosecution brought in their audio experts that the defense witnesses might destroy them through the defense witnesses testimony. It need not be oppositional (prosecution says it is the Right Reverend St Trayvon versus defense saying it is George Z. It may simply be that the prosecution says it is His Holiness St Trayvon versus defense saying "We cannot tell who it is - there is not enough there to tell with any certainty.) This second scenario might be more dangerous as the jury could decide the defense is right and the audio stuff goes out the window.
AH-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA! I like your thinking!
I am always skeptical when a dim-lef-lib-pro-soc-com-tot does something that seems to help but never works.
She has ulterior motives.
they won’t be necessary now
I don’t believe this trial is about guilt or not guilty, it as all about social unrest, riots and mayhem in the streets of the big inner cities.
There's no way this man can get a fair trial.
I’ve been waiting ever so patiently for this judge to make her first ruling in favor of the defense. Alas, she’s now done it twice in the final days before trial. No prosecutor ‘audio expert’ and no reference to racial profiling. A step in the right direction.
To me, the most telling thing is that Jesse and Al aren’t down in Sanford stirring up the troops. Just like the Decatur IL case, they may have jumped in a little too soon and now have to retreat. We can hope.
The ORDER EXCLUDING THE OPINION TESTIMONY OF MR. OWEN AND DR. REICH
Exactly right, and if Zimmerman is found not guilty I'd give 50-50 odds that the fraud in the WH makes another comment about the case. Just to fan the flames.
"I want to be an audio expert!"
good but I am worried about the jury too, one woman admitted she used this case to tell her kids how not to dress as they could be profiled.
After hearing about the others too then I;m worried
My guess is that this corrupt judge realized it was Zimmerman screaming for help and would never allow that in court! Not politically correct, you see!
Was that states in the article? (I didn't click the link) One might think that,in the interest of "fairness" that if the judge bars one side from calling a certain type of "expert" the same ban would apply to the other side as well.Unless,perhaps,the judge doubted the expertise of a *particular individual*.
I dont see a great use for them, off the top of my head, but they can be called.
One might think that research has been done at various universities,perhaps even prestigious ones (MIT,Harvard Medical School,etc) on the human voice and voice recognition that could be applied to a matter like this.If my hunch is correct the only thing that might call the "science" into question is if respected researchers have reached substantially different conclusions in their work.
There really is no case against him, and everybody knows it.
The thing is that if she rules out these audio experts, I think she can also rule out the ones that supported Zimmerman. So who knows where this is going to go?
The defense experts testified extensively on the "difficulty" (it's roughly impossible) in applying science to identify a screamer. The human voice changes radically when under that kind of stress, and the changes are unpredictable.
The ones ruled out were NOT experts; they were charlatans. This is very good for GZ.
and this mornings AP story locally printed was very even tempered in actually laying out exactly what the case is about.
Meanwhile, when he is found not guilty, first part of discovery for Zimmerman’s civil suit should be a subpeona for all attempts to have the audio recording analyized by the prosecution including the results of those attempts. They did not just stumble into these two nimrods who authored that ridicules report purporting to actually hear the words of St. Trayvon. That may form the basis of the false prosecution claim along with the attempts to withhold other evidence from the defense. The DA in Jacksonville who signed off on this case as an attempt to megotiate a plea to some lessor charge, Nifonging GZ, needs to be removed too.
The defense experts merely controverted the government’s. Each of them said that nothing could be said about who was screaming in the tape.
Also they said that screaming is not matchable to regular speech and since they do not have screaming samples from either Zimmerman or Martin...
Over here in Hollywood, one of my acquaintances who works for Dolby usually gets hired for court testimony as an audio expert. He won’t ever testify unless he’s 100% sure without any doubt as his resume and reputation are on the line.
Am I right in assuming that this was audio that was picked up by a witness that was making a 911 call to report a fight?
If so, then the scenario is a teeny-tiny cell phone microphone picking up audio at a distance and out of line-of-sight (since witness did not see the fight, I have to assume it was like from a porch or through a window).
I am no audio expert, but I have sold HiFi gear all my life and the idea that distant background voices recorded by a microphone from the lowest bidder, digitized to the smallest bit-rate possible, sent through other electronic means and then laid on another recorder could have any testimony worthy information is ludicrous.
Maybe John Edwards can channel the spirit of Trayvon as he did in trial lawyer cases about dead children.
With this ruling, I think it is in order for the defense to ask the court to dismiss the case for lack of evidence. Zimmerman would still be liable to prosecution should sufficient evidence ever be produced. But, really, it is not in the state’s interest or the Martin family’s interest to proceed to a trial and, thus protect Zimmerman from ever being tried again (b/c of double jeopardy), when the prosecution’s case is reduced to one person killed another person and when it is clear that there was a fight and there is no way to determine beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman either started the fight (and, so, would be guilty of something, perhaps assault) or didn’t fear for his life (and, so, was not acting in self defense when he killed Trayvon).
I was reading that there was at least one witness who heard Zimmerman screaming for help. "Audio expert" versus witness on the scene means "expert" loses.