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Feds May Close Forests Near Fresno ( CA )
KMPH ^ | Jun 20, 2013

Posted on 06/22/2013 6:28:54 PM PDT by george76

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is looking to close 2-million acres of forest to protect a toad and frog habitat.

The service held a meeting in Prather Wednesday to discuss closing parts of nine forests.

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1 posted on 06/22/2013 6:28:54 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

This will happen with more frequency. National forests closed off for various important reasons. No go zones.


2 posted on 06/22/2013 6:32:49 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: george76

Words fail me, the inmates have taken over the asylum.


3 posted on 06/22/2013 6:33:34 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim:

What the heck is keeping you stuck in California? I mean with nonsense like this being the norm, isn't Texas looking a lot better? :-)

As I recall your family traces its heritage to this part of the country (Oklahoma and Arkansas?). It sure would be good to have you and Free Republic come back to the ancestral home!

On the other hand, if you can fight to restore Reagan-era values, maybe the Golden State can again be golden again.

4 posted on 06/22/2013 6:33:56 PM PDT by re_nortex
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To: jazusamo

Soon to be even worse.


5 posted on 06/22/2013 6:34:32 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Agenda 21 in action. Get ready for more of this.


6 posted on 06/22/2013 6:34:46 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: george76

Gig em.... And fry in butter....


7 posted on 06/22/2013 6:36:17 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: saganite

More forest for the cartels to grow in. I’m will be interested to see if the cartels roll into Mendocino County and start making the growers there an offer they can’t refuse.


8 posted on 06/22/2013 6:38:46 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: george76

Ok so then the only ones who will be able to use the forest land will be the marijuana growers, right?


9 posted on 06/22/2013 6:42:46 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Vendome

Vendome~:” Gig em.... And fry in butter....”

Tastes like chicken , ..only better !
And they are free !!

Better yet , box up 20- 30 of them and cut ‘em loose at the White Hut garden .
The forest service would have to close the garden down !
And then we could all enjoy seeing Michelle shopping in a grocery store , almost just like real people !!


10 posted on 06/22/2013 6:43:20 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: george76

Eventually, this regime will start closing off privately owned land and usurping it for “national forests,” open only to federal officials and Mexican cartels.


11 posted on 06/22/2013 6:45:21 PM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: george76; re_nortex

In other news:

El Dorado County Sheriff Strips Forest Service Of State-Law Enforcement Power ( CA )

CBS13 ^ | June 21, 2013
Posted on 6/22/2013 6:12:03 PM by george76

The El Dorado County Sheriff says he’s not happy with the U.S. Forest Service, so he’s stripping them of their authority by keeping them from enforcing state law within the county.

Sheriff John D’Agostini is taking the unusual step of pulling the police powers from the federal agency because he says he has received “numerous, numerous complaints.”

In a letter obtained by CBS13, the sheriff informs the federal agency that its officers will no longer be able to enforce California state law anywhere in his county.

“I take the service that we provide to the citizens of El Dorado County and the visitors to El Dorado County very seriously, and the style and manner of service we provide,” D’Agostini said. “The U.S. Forest Service, after many attempts and given many opportunities, has failed to meet that standard.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3034470/posts


12 posted on 06/22/2013 6:46:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: george76
Wow.

For comparison, Delaware is around 1.5 Mil acres in size.

13 posted on 06/22/2013 6:47:19 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: george76
No Humans allowed. Unacceptable. That is not freedom.
Those zones are just going to grow and grow until we are forced from our lands and into the cities camps.

14 posted on 06/22/2013 6:48:17 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: ScottinVA

They have done that since the 90s.


15 posted on 06/22/2013 6:53:00 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: BitWielder1

Not only is it acceptable, you should look up Turtle Island, a fully compliant and approved part of Agenda 21.

No, it’s not tin foil. It’s real and in UN docs.


16 posted on 06/22/2013 6:54:44 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SENTINEL

On the button. If you’ve noticed, the number of camping spots in the major National Parks shrink each year. After “remodeling or upgrading”, the number of available spots always goes down. Hiking and trails are restricted. Cars are prohibited and you must ride the official guided tour buses with appropriate ranger and associated propaganda. On the other end, the $500 - $2,000 a night lodge accommodations are increasing but for only for the selected elite which includes governmental agencies at taxpayer expense.


17 posted on 06/22/2013 6:58:25 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (UN Secretary General Barki-At-Moon says, "Save the planet - eat more bugs"!)
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To: george76
All land rightfully belongs to the feral government.

And I do mean ALL land.

18 posted on 06/22/2013 7:05:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: george76

It makes it easier for the drug lords to grow marijuana since the government workers won’t travel as much and there is less likely of a backwoods hiker from stumbling upon the farm. I see DOI folks and State employees sitting on their butts more since they won’t have to watch out for visitors. Perfect job for the paid off park employees.


19 posted on 06/22/2013 7:13:06 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: RetiredTexasVet

” If you’ve noticed, the number of camping spots in the major National Parks shrink each year.”

It happens in the national forests too. 30 years ago you could camp alongside any place you chose on a 15 mile road I used to frequent. Today it’s restricted to a dozen campsites.


20 posted on 06/22/2013 7:14:56 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: Mastador1

“Ok so then the only ones who will be able to use the forest land will be the marijuana growers, right?”

yeah, until the moslems decide to burn them down.


21 posted on 06/22/2013 7:15:27 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Mortrey

Only when they can’t make profit from them, they have no problem selling opiun.


22 posted on 06/22/2013 7:20:23 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: SENTINEL

Indeed it is. This action will be devastating to the tourist based economies of Inyo and Mono counties of California, near the ski area of Mammoth Lakes closing some of the most popular fishing and camping areas on the eastern slopes the High Sierra some 85 air miles and six hours by highway from Fresno. Here is a message from the owners of a resort near the High Sierra town of Bishop:

URGENT - WE NEED YOUR HELP & COMMENTS NOW - URGENT

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) is proposing to list the Sierra Nevada yellow-legged frog and the northern distinct population segment of the mountain yellow-legged frog as endangered and the Yosemite toad as threatened under the Endangered Species Act (ESA).

The Service is also proposing to designate critical habitat for these three amphibian species in California. Primary threats to the various species identified include habitat destruction, recreation (including trout stocking), dams and reservoir diversion, livestock use (grazing), packstock use, roads, timber harvest, fire management activities, disease, climate change, and pollution. With overlapping areas, the total proposed critical habitat for the three amphibians is 1,831,820 acres.

In Inyo County areas proposed for habitat designation include Rock Creek Lake, Mt. Tom, the Bishop Creek drainage (including South Lake), Coyote Flat, the Big Pine Creek drainage, and Onion Valley. Additional critical habitat is proposed adjacent to Inyo County over the crest of the Sierra Nevada and in Mono County.

The critical habitat designations have the potential to devastate the County’s economy and restrict access to important recreation areas. The listing of the species will add additional permitting burdens, and may further restrict access to public lands.

Please go to http://inyoplanning.org/projects/USFW_YellowLeggedFrog.htm - under “ADDITIONAL INFORMATION” you’ll find “SUBMITTAL OF COMMENTS” - and submit your comments under both proposals. Your comments need to be made prior to June 24, 2013 at 9:00pm.

PLEASE COMMENT AND SHARE - GET THE WORD OUT!

http://www.lakesabrinaboatlanding.com/

760-873-7425


23 posted on 06/22/2013 7:24:18 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: Mastador1

Not hardly, the Feds consider Mary Jane an illegal substance and can enforce federal law on federal lands without the cooperation or consent of the County Sheriff.


24 posted on 06/22/2013 7:27:01 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: george76

What’ll they do when the terrorists set fire to it?


25 posted on 06/22/2013 7:27:56 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,

Did you see the letter the sheriff sent to Joe Biteme?

https://www.edcgov.us/Sheriff/Press_Releases/A_Letter_to_Vice_President_Biden.aspx


26 posted on 06/22/2013 7:28:56 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Mastador1

Sorry. wrong thread.


27 posted on 06/22/2013 7:31:03 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: george76

That’s the cover story. The drug gangs are increasingly using the forests to grow their crops.


28 posted on 06/22/2013 7:32:33 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: george76; Jim Robinson

Golden memories of packing in by horse, and mule to hunt in the Kings Canyon/John Muir Wilderness back in the early ‘60s!

I suppose that area is now forbidden for humans to even enter...

Sigh...


29 posted on 06/22/2013 7:32:47 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: JDoutrider
I suppose that area is now forbidden for humans to even enter...

No not yet, but your comments at the link in my post 23 would be appreciated.

30 posted on 06/22/2013 7:36:02 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: george76

WHAT?


31 posted on 06/22/2013 7:43:09 PM PDT by 1st Division guy
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To: SENTINEL
Agenda 21 in action. Get ready for more of this.

Nope. While this may be coherent with the goals of the Agenda 21, "no entry zones" are specific evidence of The Wildlands Project.

32 posted on 06/22/2013 7:43:23 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: Convert, submit, or die.)
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To: re_nortex
What the heck is keeping you stuck in California?

This is a Federal action, having nothing to do with California politics.

33 posted on 06/22/2013 7:44:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: Convert, submit, or die.)
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To: Inyo-Mono
Thanks for your post I-M.

This could devastate parts of the Eastern Sierra as far as tourism goes.

Though it's been many years for me I'd guess fishing, hunting, hiking, skiing, etc. are still a huge economic influx to the area and the enviros could care less.

34 posted on 06/22/2013 7:45:27 PM PDT by jazusamo ("Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent." -- Adam Smith)
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To: george76

Did China just acquire 2 million acres of prime California land?


35 posted on 06/22/2013 7:45:40 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: re_nortex

This is not California suggesting this closure, this is YOUR Federal Government.


36 posted on 06/22/2013 8:00:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Isn’t Wildlands a portion of the Agenda 21 plan ?


37 posted on 06/22/2013 8:00:51 PM PDT by SENTINEL (Kneel down to God. Stand up to tyrants. STICK TO YOUR GUNS !)
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To: jazusamo
This could devastate parts of the Eastern Sierra as far as tourism goes.

Though it's been many years for me I'd guess fishing, hunting, hiking, skiing, etc. are still a huge economic influx to the area and the enviros could care less.

You're right jazusamo, except for local government employment (Forest Service, BLM, Cal-Trans, etc.), tourism is our only economic base. This will kill us and the millions of fishermen, hikers, backpackers, bird watchers, rock climbers, and hunters who visit here each year.

38 posted on 06/22/2013 8:09:06 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: jazusamo

Don’t worry, after a few decades with no people it will become overgrown and burn to the ground killing all the frogs and toads and no one will want to go there anyway.


39 posted on 06/22/2013 8:09:57 PM PDT by tiki
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To: george76

They will be coming after AZ next, I bet.

Governor Brewer signs HB 2551

June 21, 2013

Governor Jan. Brewer on June 19 signed House Bill 2551 (off-highway vehicles; use; authority; enforcement). The bill clarifies state authority in how it will enforce federal Travel Management Rules regarding off-highway vehicle use on U.S. Forest Service or Bureau of Land Management lands.

The Arizona Game and Fish Commission voted in March to support HB 2551, but made its support contingent on adoption of amended language that would address the commission’s concerns about unintended limitations on officers’ ability to enforce resource damage laws or road closures for public safety purposes, such as during forest fires. Subsequent amendments addressed the commission’s concerns.

The legislation, sponsored by Sen. Chester Crandell (R-Heber) and Rep. David Gowan (R-Sierra Vista), passed the Arizona Senate and House in May.

The bill permits Game and Fish officers to enforce laws related to habitat damage and other duties important to the department’s mission, while giving officers discretion in enforcing federal travel management rules that are lower priority or that might impede achieving wildlife management objectives.

The Arizona Game and Fish Commission has expressed long-standing concerns that the new forest Travel Management Rules put undue constraints on reasonable public access, are inconsistent across the different forests and therefore confusing to outdoor recreationists, and could impede the commission’s and department’s ability to meet wildlife management objectives.

In addition to the Arizona Game and Fish Commission, SB 2551 is supported by county sheriffs and county supervisors throughout Arizona.

“One purpose of this legislation is to reaffirm the department’s leading role in protecting wildlife habitat, while ensuring that the use of our law enforcement resources are not spent on efforts that, in some instances, unreasonably reduce the opportunities for Arizona’s families to fish, hunt, camp or enjoy wildlife viewing or responsible off-highway vehicle recreation,” said Kurt Davis, a member of the Arizona Game and Fish Commission.

Davis said the department’s education programs, scientific evaluation and law enforcement activities related to protecting wildlife habitat will continue, while balancing the ability for Arizonans to enjoy the outdoors.

“This legislation simply strengthens the department’s legally recognized role to manage wildlife across all our public lands and ensures that role is more appropriately recognized and respected,” he said.

http://azgfd.net/artman/publish/NewsMedia/Governor-Brewer-signs-HB-2551.shtml


40 posted on 06/22/2013 8:16:38 PM PDT by grayeagle
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To: george76
toads pay taxes now???
41 posted on 06/22/2013 8:32:32 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: USNBandit
More forest for the cartels to grow in.

That's what I was going to say - now the marijuana growers won't be bothered.

42 posted on 06/22/2013 8:38:05 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: tiki; jazusamo
This part of the area that will be closed. Let it burn?

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43 posted on 06/22/2013 8:42:17 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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To: SENTINEL
Isn’t Wildlands a portion of the Agenda 21 plan?

IIRC, it is indirect. The Agenda 21 endorses the Global Biodiversity Treaty. The Global Biodiversity Assessment upon which the treaty is based endorses The Wildlands Project.

44 posted on 06/22/2013 8:57:53 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: Convert, submit, or die.)
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To: BitWielder1

It is partially due to deranged worshipers of nature, who love all except for humans. Listened to a few last night, old friends of mine, it is leftist lunacy and they positively hate humanity.


45 posted on 06/22/2013 9:18:00 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

I posted comments there, but the uptake must have to go through some kind of review...not available yet.


46 posted on 06/22/2013 11:48:16 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: USNBandit

I believe you got it right. Closing the Nat Forests to give more land and protection to the Mescan Cartel growers.


47 posted on 06/23/2013 2:11:39 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: Rebelbase

If it’s out west, use 1866 and 72 mining law and have a shovel and gold pan with you... It trumps forest service.


48 posted on 06/23/2013 2:46:00 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Most of the amphibian losses in the higher sierra are specifically from the FS or F&G stocking alpine lakes with trout.

Time to say too bad for the frogs in this instance, evolution happens, species go extinct. Time to make way for a new adaptive radiation :-)


49 posted on 06/23/2013 2:49:54 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: JDoutrider

Didn’t do much horse packing, but we did a lot of jeeping. Fond memories.


50 posted on 06/23/2013 6:16:05 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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