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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 23 June 2013
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 23 June 2013 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 06/23/2013 6:08:49 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: ROCKLOBSTER

ABC - brings up Obama ready to make statements on Tuesday about climate change - possibly executive action to have EPA limit greenhouse gasses, etc.

Rebecca Jarvis talks about how it will help alternative energy businesses, but may hurt others. Then goes on to say how food businesses have been hurt because they have had to move their businesses around because of climate change. (???????? has everyone gone crazy in Washingont?)

Mike Kelly - the one non-crazy on the panel says president’s role should be as a uniter, not a divider....we are concentrating on things like this instead of relying on our OWN resources - oil, nuclear, coal....etc.


51 posted on 06/23/2013 6:48:03 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Alas Babylon!

Putin basically flips Barry off by allowing Snowden passage to Moscow. The left is ticked.


52 posted on 06/23/2013 6:49:31 AM PDT by Kahuna
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To: TomGuy
Watching Graham. He says the border is already militarized and the most secure it has ever been.

You gotta wonder what could possibly motivate such a statement from a Senator who is up for reelection in a supposed conservative state like SC.

On the surface it seems almost self-destructive to advocate 20-30 million more illegals be made legal and vote for the the other side giving them a near permanent majority assuring we don't win future elections,WTH! Especially in a state that struggles as much as SC does.

This is why I think there has to be much more to the story than we are being shown.

I'm thinking bribery,payoffs, graph, corruption,on a massive scale that has been going on for a while.

Think about it nothing else makes any sense.

53 posted on 06/23/2013 6:49:51 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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Folks, we are in Sooo deep it is ridiculous.
If the interest rates go up the national debt will balloon.

Do these people understand how many zeros ther are in a trillion?
Exponential notation?
We are screwed.


54 posted on 06/23/2013 6:50:23 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: bray
Every liberal agenda item is social and moral in their definition of morality. It’s how they progress their agenda to destroy America.

Of course it is. But they are calling this an economic decision to move forward on immigration reform and anyone opposed to it is for purely social/moral reasons. These people are liars and nuts.

Gotta run to church, all.
55 posted on 06/23/2013 6:50:34 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: rodguy911

Rush said it this week: Follow the money- there is some big campaign donations to Graham’s campaign that are making him say this


56 posted on 06/23/2013 6:50:57 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: animal172
Were it up to me I would end the anchor baby situation and then start deporting all of them back to where they came from. I don’t care how much it costs.

Hear here!

It should cost the offending countries by taking their "foreign aid" to fund the bus tickets (plus hyper-inflated processing costs).

57 posted on 06/23/2013 6:53:43 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: rodguy911

You gotta wonder what could possibly motivate such a statement from a Senator who is up for reelection in a supposed conservative state like SC.


I think these nitwits really believe that Mexican-Americans will start voting for them if they just GIVE them something.

Politics, it has long been said, is about addition, not subtraction.

You buy the voters with goodies like amnesty.

But as the polls actually show, most Mexican voters here care more about government largesse than they do about their own illegals. And the Republicans will NEVER be able to match the Dems in the handout department—will they?

It’s a great big loser issue for the Republicans but they are so stupid...

Oh well.


58 posted on 06/23/2013 6:54:50 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: TomGuy
The border issue is really a distraction. We could hermetically seal the border and this would still be a disaster. The real problem is the increase in legal immigration, 47 million over 10 years vice the "normal" intake of 14 million and a doubling of guest workers--a 1.6 million increase the first year and 700,000 thereafter.

This is going to depress wages and increase unemployment for Americans. The Dems get what they want--amnesty-- and the Reps get their guest workers. They are trying to fool the public by making the issue the border.

59 posted on 06/23/2013 6:54:59 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

The border issue is really a distraction. We could hermetically seal the border and this would still be a disaster. The real problem is the increase in legal immigration, 47 million over 10 years vice the “normal” intake of 14 million and a doubling of guest workers—a 1.6 million increase the first year and 700,000 thereafter.
This is going to depress wages and increase unemployment for Americans. The Dems get what they want—amnesty— and the Reps get their guest workers. They are trying to fool the public by making the issue the border.


That’s exactly right.


60 posted on 06/23/2013 6:58:24 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: mylife

Mr. Gomez is just another RINO from Texachusetts. Just like the last RINO, Mr. Brown.

I read somewhere WSJ? that the Republicans are not supporting this RINO with $$$. Somewhere else I read that “conservatives” are not cumming in with financial support either.

Maybe there is no “conservative” money going to the current Texachusetts RINO because of the bad experience with the last RINO from there.

Fool me once shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me !


61 posted on 06/23/2013 6:59:28 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: Girlene
The mid-east remains a powder keg with little if any good solutions to the problem. Like in syria which terror group would you arm? Which terrorists do you unite with? Stay the H_ll out of there.

There is one solution the administration will never do. Drill our own oil just as fast as we can so we can tell the mid-east to keep their blood oil.

62 posted on 06/23/2013 6:59:38 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Girlene

You mean like the one that was voted down last week in the Senate to at least build another 350 miles of the 700 miles of fencing already authorized.The bill where we have only built 37 miles of so far? That one?


63 posted on 06/23/2013 7:02:36 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: mylife
I agree with the analysis that Uncle Sam just does not have the time to listen to you talking to Aunt Mabel. He does have that capability, but he does not have the time.

Time? NSA has some of the biggest supercomputers on the planet. They can process a huge amount of information in a very short time. They can use key words and other algorithms to separate the wheat from the chaff. They will listen to your conversation with Aunt Mabel if what you are talking about triggers the system to spit it out.

Is anyone surprised that the Gov monitors things? We all do. Everyone peeks out the window and susses the neighbors. I do not find that shocking

How can you equate the government and its huge resources with a nosy neighbor? We have something called a Constitution that is supposed to protect us from unreasonable search and seizure by the government.

64 posted on 06/23/2013 7:03:07 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Also of note is that the law will not require illegals to get on obamacare under penalty of law, but it will force Americans workers to and it will force American employers to deal with it.

What do ya suppose will happen?

I am guessing that illegals will replace American workers.

Why do we offer non citizens more freedom from penury than Americans?


65 posted on 06/23/2013 7:03:56 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: rodguy911
You gotta wonder what could possibly motivate such a statement from a Senator who is up for reelection in a supposed conservative state like SC.

I have finally realized that politicians who stay in politics, especially the same office, can't be or remain conservative. They have to like big government in order to stay. So Lindsey is not acting out of place, he's suffering from the same case of chronic rectal/cranial inversion that all long-term politicians suffer from, which make them think that they are the answer, even if they don't know what the question is.

The only politicians worth electing are people who are willing to self-impose term limits and then go back home when their time is up; not stay in the DC Court of St James to be a lobbyist or Fox New contributor. It's the major difference between the people who founded this country and current cast of clowns; the founders wanted to go home, so they stopped arguing and moved forward.

66 posted on 06/23/2013 7:04:46 AM PDT by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: kabar; TomGuy; Girlene; bray; Alas Babylon!

It’s probably lost on most of the American people, but one of the major methods of control over the people employed by the Soviets and their satellites in the 20th century, was to make “laws” and rule-making complex and deliberately tiresome—with lengthy decrees subject to interpretations that could only be made by political officers (commisars), the people we today call community organizers or cabinet officers.

So, for immigration “reform” what do we get? Today we get 23 pounds of paperwork that no one can read much less digest, and just as was true with Obamacare, “we have to pass it to find out what’s in it,” meaning the SEIU and Sothern Poverty Law Center of Janet Napolitano will tell us what’s what when the time comes.

There is no corruption like communist corruption.


67 posted on 06/23/2013 7:04:48 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: DanZ

I think you meant Taxachusettes

We have a surplus in Texas


68 posted on 06/23/2013 7:05:18 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: mylife
It pays to recall history as well. In his last days as Saddam's Air Force General Georges Sada wrote a book and did numerous talk radio interviews here in the US many of which I heard telling of how he was ordered by Saddam Hussein to fly massive quantities of WMD's, you recall the ones that the left said Iraq never had, didn't have, into syria.

They took two planes a 707 and 747 removed the sets and flew dozens of missions into Damascus with barrels full of poisonous gas.

this is the gas we are worried about today in Syria. Its insecure,unstable, volatile and who knows what condition the barrels are in today.

Just one more reason to stay the hell out of there.

69 posted on 06/23/2013 7:09:50 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Girlene

Yes, indeed!


70 posted on 06/23/2013 7:10:23 AM PDT by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: Kahuna

Crowley even tried to say Clapper didn’t lie and Rand Paul pointed out he even admitted he lied. You could tell she doesn’t like Paul.


71 posted on 06/23/2013 7:10:54 AM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: kabar

Separate the Wheat from the Chaff?

Snowden is all chaff.

This fellow is a red herring.
Look at the time folks are wasting on this ahole.

Snowden is being made an enemy of the state because he is an enemy of the state.
He is trying to bring discredit on the US, and he is revealing means and methods.
He would testify that we are all pricks for keeping an ear perked.
Effa Snowden


72 posted on 06/23/2013 7:11:39 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: PaleoBob

You also need a serious fence and the will to enforce border security. None of which is on the horizon.Such lack of sincerity on the part of Congress can only be explained by corruption on a massive scale, IMHO.I find no other explanations.


73 posted on 06/23/2013 7:11:57 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: PaleoBob
polls actually show, most Mexican voters here

If they're Mexicans, they have no business voting in the US.

74 posted on 06/23/2013 7:12:11 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: rodguy911
This is why I think there has to be much more to the story than we are being shown.

The Reps who support this bill are doing so because of the guest worker programs. The number of guest workers is doubled under this bill giving big business and big agriculture more cheap labor to depress wages further and increase their bottom line. These corporate interest are huge donors to both parties. Reps like Graham are willing to do the bidding of their corporate masters even if it means destroying the country.

When you have the Koch brothers, Murdoch, the American Chamber of Commerce, et. al., joining forces with the labor unions, La Raza, Soros, Obama, Schumer, and Durbin, it is obvious that our political and corporate elites have reached a consensus on what is best for us.

75 posted on 06/23/2013 7:12:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: bray
You could tell she doesn’t like Paul.

Good!

May the hog have indigestion for a month.

76 posted on 06/23/2013 7:18:14 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATs! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Girlene; All
DNC Dave gets rid of journalist quickly who got info from Snowden when the journalist claims that he told by Snowden not to release anything that would harm the U.S.

This thing just gets more convoluted as we go along.

77 posted on 06/23/2013 7:18:45 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: PaleoBob

How dare you advocate enforcing laws already on the books,takes away all the fun that Congress has.


78 posted on 06/23/2013 7:21:08 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Just saw Lindsey Graham on FNC. By the time he was done explaining all the wonderful things that the 1,200 page immigration bill will do, the only thing left to say was, “It’s a floor cleaner, and a dessert topping.” He really needs to leave quietly and take John McCain with him..


79 posted on 06/23/2013 7:21:56 AM PDT by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: animal172

If one reads the Constitution, it is obvious they did not intend for anchor babies to be given citizenship.


80 posted on 06/23/2013 7:23:14 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: mylife
As soon as amnesty is passed, the Dems will then push for coverage under Obamacare for those receiving amnesty. They will cite the issue of jobs, i.e., those receiving amnesty will have an advantage over Americans because employers will not be penalized for hiring them, and that we need to provide some way for the 11 million, most of them making very low wages, to obtain health care coverage. Otherwise, they will continue to use our ERs are free health care clinics.

I am guessing that illegals will replace American workers.

An estimated 7 million are already working now. And it is not the illegals that I am worried about, but the tens of millions of LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and guest workers who will be competing against Americans for jobs. Even the CBO estimates that this influx will increase unemployment and depress wages for the next 12 years.

81 posted on 06/23/2013 7:23:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rodguy911

Convoluted?

Try my simple logic:

If I see it in the media, it must be BS.

Snowden appears in the media.

Snowden is...

/attention


82 posted on 06/23/2013 7:27:31 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (For why should my Freedom be judged by anothers conscience? 1 Cor 10:29)
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To: rodguy911
You gotta wonder what could possibly motivate such a statement from a Senator who is up for reelection in a supposed conservative state like SC.

Pardon me for taking exception with this. Supposed conservative state? I can assure you that SC is most definitely a conservative state. One of the reddest around.

Simply put, Linda is a mistake. One we're hoping to take care of next year in the Senatorial primary.

83 posted on 06/23/2013 7:27:42 AM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: animal172

I hate to see but you can trace the down hill slide to bad moves in Congress for years now.


84 posted on 06/23/2013 7:31:29 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Girlene
Richard Haas on ABC said it damaged our relationship with China. Calls him a felon, not a whistleblower. Says polls are showing people want him prosecuted.

The libtards were singing a different story back in 2006-2007 under GWB/Cheney.

EFF Legal Director Cindy Cohn's Introduction for Mark Klein at the 2008 Pioneer Awards, March 7, 2008
I am honored to be presenting an EFF Pioneer Award to Mark Klein. The Pioneer Awards are often given to people who are innovators, who make cool or important things or who explain or change policy. We award thinkers of big thoughts and doers of big deeds. But in Mark we have something even better. We have a bona fide hero.


Whistle-blower Had to Fight NSA, LA Times to Tell Story

Democrats call for investigation of NSA wiretaps Monday, December 19, 2005


85 posted on 06/23/2013 7:31:46 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Morning AB, All....

As always, AB, thank you for doing this thread. No time to check in earlier, went to 8:30 am mass, daughter here, son-in-law....got amazing news about this....later.

Big news this week is that immigration morass. I am watching this with eagle eyes, ladies and gems.

Once they told us that we should grant amnesty, back in the 80’s....we will secure the borders and no more illegals.

We should believe them now?

Like Rush says, the political class, the elected elite-do not WANT to secure the borders. They didn’t want to then so they lied to us. They don’t want to now else...why not make it border secure FIRST? They don’t want to secure our borders, they welcome the temporary labor coming to and fro for the cheap labor, Mexico likes it too.

The political elite don’t want to secure our borders and it’s time they told us the truth, told us why, engage in a national dialogue about the matter. I am tired of being patted on the head and told not to worry myself by some dumb bell only claim to fame is getting elected.

If ever an issue would divide this nation....the country class from the ruling class if you will...BAM, total, enough that the masses finally take action, it’s this immigration mess.

They either own up to what they want or somehow jam that thing down our throats. The masses, like herding cats....it takes a lot to have them join as one. It won’t be pretty and the international publicity will be horrible.

But even the most abused of wives has a point, and so does the good nature of those who carry this country on their back.

Take BIG note the Repubs involved with this....even if his name is Rubio....even if with the best of intentions they promote this bill without border security priority...take note, they are the ones betraying you more than the rest.


86 posted on 06/23/2013 7:32:33 AM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: mylife

Ted Cruz=Last best hope of the day.
Marco Rubio=Bad history with conservatives,personna-non-grata


87 posted on 06/23/2013 7:33:05 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: mylife
For me, Snowden is the messenger, not the issue. I could care less about him or his motivations. The question is whether the government is overstepping its bounds as it relates to our individual liberties. Have they gone too far? And what price are willing to pay as a nation for security?

We need a national debate on this issue. The government has been lying to us. The FISA courts have acted as rubber stamps. The IRS is systematically targeting the political opposition. The DOJ is going after the press.

Snowden called it "turnkey tyranny." Has technology outpaced our ability to control it? Is our only protection to trust government to do the right thing?

88 posted on 06/23/2013 7:33:17 AM PDT by kabar
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To: PaleoBob

It may be left to FNC and possibly Glen Beck down the road to do the televised job the DBM once did.


89 posted on 06/23/2013 7:35:05 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Bernard

I have finally realized that politicians who stay in politics, especially the same office, can’t be or remain conservative. They have to like big government in order to stay.

$$$$$

True in any bureaucracy. Conservatives get ground up or ground down, and eventually remove themselves, no matter how firm were their good intentions for joining the group. Think: PTAs, Unions, universities, ...


90 posted on 06/23/2013 7:37:08 AM PDT by maica (Welcome to post-rational America.)
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To: mylife

There are so many diversionary scandals, you name it, that the economy barely registers on the news scale.


91 posted on 06/23/2013 7:38:18 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Mr. K
Rush said it this week: Follow the money- there is some big campaign donations to Graham’s campaign that are making him say this

I'm down to corruption or stupidity and they(congressional rinos) all can't be that stupid.Corruption is the only thing that makes any sense.

Look at Rubio. He was almost perfect suited for us. Straight with us before he joined the gang of eight. Now we won't touch him with a pole(and rightly so). Overnight this happened. Only loads of cash has that effect,IMHO.

92 posted on 06/23/2013 7:42:21 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

Loads of cash or campaign managers who think appealing to the Dems is the ticket to victory. Either way he showed terrible judgement and is finished with any national ambitions.

Pray for America to Wake up


93 posted on 06/23/2013 7:45:46 AM PDT by bray (Stop tolerating beheading!)
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To: kabar
Here is the toughest question you will get all day.

What makes Republicans(rinos in the Senate) enter into a deal with dems that will permanently make them an underclass in votes,tank the economy,increase unemployment, decrease wages, and go against the wishes of their electorate? Just to name a few of the many problems with the amnesty bill.

Is there any other answer other than political corruption, our elected reps taking money or other goodies?

94 posted on 06/23/2013 7:47:49 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

Oh great, the head of MSA doesn’t know anything about WikiLeaks.


95 posted on 06/23/2013 7:50:30 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: PaleoBob
I think these nitwits really believe that Mexican-Americans will start voting for them if they just GIVE them something.

Just can't be Bob! Our side has to know not to get in a bidding war for various voter groups with the left. It has so many down sides for us its not even practical. Much less logical.They would have to be really stupid to try that one.

96 posted on 06/23/2013 7:50:50 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: PaleoBob
Great post Bob! You are right on track as well. There are not enough lawyers on our side to get rid of all the crap that has been passed by Congress and the EOs drawn up by val/jar and her gang of chicago thugs.With enough crooked judges compromised at every level they can rule even when out of power,its a slick maneuver.

We were never set up to counter the enemy from within and its showing quickly.

97 posted on 06/23/2013 7:57:58 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
With all of the pressing U.S. and world event news, NBC MTP David Gregory must address Paula Dean and her recent racial slur.

Moreover, Gregory limits panel opinions the sole black panel member.

98 posted on 06/23/2013 8:00:13 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Now we all have Obama phones.)
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To: kabar

Hard to imagine people purposely selling out the country just for campaign contributions. Just hard for me to imagine.


99 posted on 06/23/2013 8:00:59 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
Later on in the show after a tweet from the journalist both dnc dave and F Chuck try and destroy his credibility
100 posted on 06/23/2013 8:03:51 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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