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Snowden heads to Venezuela via Moscow, Havana: airline source
Reuters ^ | 6/23/2013

Posted on 06/23/2013 8:14:12 AM PDT by markomalley

Former U.S. National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden will fly from Moscow to Cuba on Monday and then plans to go to Venezuela, a source at the Russian airline Aeroflot said on Sunday.

The source said Snowden was already on his way to Moscow from Hong Kong and would leave for Havana within 24 hours.

The South China Morning Post also reported that Snowden had left Hong Kong for Moscow and that his final destination might be Ecuador or Iceland. The WikiLeaks anti-secrecy website said Snowden was heading for an unnamed "democratic nation".

The flight to Moscow prompted speculation that Snowden might remain in Russia, whose leaders accuse the United States of double standards on democracy and have championed public figures who challenge Western governments.

But Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said he was unaware of Snowden's plans and the Foreign Ministry declined immediate comment on whether he had asked for asylum.

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To: yadent
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers: “Edward Snowden’s reported choice to fly to Cuba and Venezuela undermines his whistleblower claims... Everyone of those nations is hostile to the United States, the Michigan Republican said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” news talk show.

Flights from SVO to UIO (Quito, his apparent ultimate destination) are kind of difficult if Q-Group and the FBI are after you. Basically, do you prefer to get grabbed in Madrid, Amsterdam, Paris, or New York?

On the other hand, Aeroflot has a non-stop to Havana (12h 40m) for only £689.91. (I had to find that one using a UK service, since Kayak is forbidden to search for flights to Cuber.) I see there is also a non-stop available from Havana to Quito (2h 30m, £306.50), so it's not clear why Caracas is on his itinerary.

201 posted on 06/23/2013 1:25:23 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Travis McGee
Amen!


202 posted on 06/23/2013 1:29:37 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: txhurl
So am I correct in understanding he’s in the air right now, maybe 1/4 of the way to Havana?

He's probably booked on Aeroflot flight SU 150, a non-stop (important) departing at 14:05 (06:05 Eastern). There is an earlier flight at 07:25, but it makes a stop in Paris.

203 posted on 06/23/2013 1:32:09 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: markomalley

Time for a picture of Snowden to replace Vacation Guy in photoshop pictures.


204 posted on 06/23/2013 1:34:34 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys=Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best for you.)
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To: Necrovore
Necrovore, great post. Amazing how conservatives are so easily fooled over and over by the Media and Our Dear Govt. Just like the beaten spouses that keep coming back for more - they never learn.

Let me clearly state - I COULD CARE LESS IF HE IS A SPY. Our country is filled with traitorous scum. Worrying about what Snowden gave to anyone is like me worrying about a guy 20 miles from me pointing a 22 rifle at me when I already have 3 Apache Helicopters over my house ready to unload on me.

205 posted on 06/23/2013 1:35:38 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: roofgoat

Good analogy there


206 posted on 06/23/2013 1:39:59 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: cynwoody

Thank you. Looking forward to him saying something.


207 posted on 06/23/2013 1:43:18 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: roofgoat

Great analogy! The traitors have let in millions of muslims who hate us with a passion. In population we probably have as many muslin.s here now as in some of the Arab countries. (Did our government allow millions of Nazis to immigrate here during WWII?)
Meanwhile after letting millions of the enemy move into our towns and neighborhoods,they want to disarm us. And DHS calls conservatives and patriots potential terrorists. And are now spying on all of us.

The enemy is within the gates!


208 posted on 06/23/2013 1:44:07 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

According to Fox News, Assange took refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy in England, and has apparently been collaborating on the outcome. Deep pockets are also supporting Snowden.


209 posted on 06/23/2013 1:57:25 PM PDT by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
As badly as the U.S.A. government ‘wanted’ Bobby Fischer he managed to avoid ‘capture’ for decades. Iceland is the only country on the planet that agreed to give him asylum.

Iceland might be an uphill battle for Snowden. Icelandic MP Birgitta Jónsdóttir writes:

When it was brought to my attention that Snowden was looking to Iceland for political asylum, I offered to help figure out the legal options for such a request.

These are my findings: Snowden should not come to Iceland unless he will request and be granted citizenship by the Icelandic Parliament. Citizenship is the only legal protection that will shelter him from any demands of extradition to the USA. The ideal situation would be for Snowden to be granted a Icelandic passport as was the case with Bobby Fischer.

Seeking political asylum is a process that can take long time, and there are no guarantees granted against extradition while the process is ongoing. However since Snowden faces possible death sentence his case is stronger, for it is illegal to extradite a person who faces death sentence from Iceland. It is important to note that Iceland has a terrible track record when it comes to granting political asylum to people seeking shelter, as it is hardly never granted and thus a too dangerous path to be recommended for Snowden.


210 posted on 06/23/2013 2:05:31 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: HollyB

I thought that you had asked which polls showed a majority wanting Snowden prosecuted. I was answering that question not suggesting anything about your personal views.


211 posted on 06/23/2013 2:27:29 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: freepersup

England?


212 posted on 06/23/2013 2:27:48 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: HollyB

Are you asking ‘English’ deep pocket support for Snowden? That’s what I’m wondering too..


213 posted on 06/23/2013 2:30:49 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: free_life

Telling ANY foreigners about what and how you are hacking is treason. Violation of security protocol. Period.

This has nothing to do with Uhbama. It would be the same security breach as under Bush or Klintoon.

Just because he’s right to reveal something violating our rights as individuals doesn’t give him carte blanche to hand out the nation’s plans to foreigners.


214 posted on 06/23/2013 2:41:27 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: HollyB

>>> England? <<<

Are you positing that Snowden is heading to England?

I believe England would agree to the extradition of Snowden to the United States, thus the reason Assange is holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London.


215 posted on 06/23/2013 3:02:31 PM PDT by freepersup (Patrolling the waters off Free Republic one dhow at a time.)
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To: freepersup; txhurl

I asked because England is no where close to where the MSM said he may be going. Im a bit surprised. Plus, he may have trouble leaving the embassy in The UK.


216 posted on 06/23/2013 3:06:30 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Can you help me with a post/article where Snowden revealed how the US spies? Not just the name of the network, but how.


217 posted on 06/23/2013 3:09:23 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Tell us what he actually gave to anyone? You can’t because you don’t know. Don’t be repeating the Obama cronies lies and the leftist media who are demonizing him, and expect us thinking people to buy it for one second.

We do know he exposed illegal unconstitutional activity by the US govt. I support the Constitution and freedoms and rights of the American people not this corrupt govt and all it’s tentacles of power.


218 posted on 06/23/2013 3:17:00 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: HollyB

I’m curious about the deep pockets .. I hope they’re Vatican-deep and not Soros-deep.


219 posted on 06/23/2013 3:17:02 PM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: markomalley

Yep. Defending the constitution is a very different thing from what this Quisling punk did, after he lied and cheated his way into the Termite mound.


220 posted on 06/23/2013 4:13:59 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: NFHale

Naturally, he can only travel to nations hostile to the USA, otherwise, he’d be “renditioned” back to the USA asap.


221 posted on 06/23/2013 5:24:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Necrovore
This is too rich. The balloon is floated that this guy will be traveling to all the communist hotspots of past and present enemies, and the conservatives fly off the handle accusing this guy of being a traitor.............Do you really think that this Snowden would be that dense to announce any travel plans he may have? ............

I only got through the first page, but at last, a sensible post. Yup, it seems we conservatives do that a lot. As an alternative to .. oh, I dunno ... some kind of actual action against the horrors being dumped on us in America? This source is Reuters, for cryin' out loud!

You know, some of us might should (double verb much used in Texas, therefore correct) learn to engage brain (including watchfulness) before engaging mouth (...uh ...keyboard)

Let's just watch the boy. Rand Paul seems to think he's okay.

222 posted on 06/23/2013 5:31:34 PM PDT by CatDancer (Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is Liberty. 2 Cor.3:17)
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To: free_life

The guy at the very least is another attention whore. He went around the world to tell just about everyone else whatever information he had going on. It pretty much comes down to Snowden throwing a fit for just about everyone to see. As for Obama, please, it took him HOW LONG TO EVEN CONSIDER SNOWDEN A TRAITOR?!!! This stinks of incompetence from our POTUS to me. But what else can we expect from some spoiled kid (yes, he’s really that immature) who never really had to act as a manager?


223 posted on 06/23/2013 5:40:03 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Travis McGee

Agree....


224 posted on 06/23/2013 5:46:49 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: markomalley

As soon as the Russians copy the hard drives on his computers they’ll kick him out.


225 posted on 06/23/2013 6:00:55 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: dfwgator

That is a good question! It’s pretty obvious he hates ours. How many secrets has he given out or authorized?


226 posted on 06/23/2013 6:15:33 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda¬óDivide and conquer seems to be working.)
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To: markomalley
So much for our vaunted intelligence community. Let me see, this is how many blunders since 9/11/01? The only good thing is that we did get bin laden and maybe some of his people. The Chinese will not be as easily surveiled if we keep giving our most treasured secrets to young inexperienced people. What has happened to my country?
227 posted on 06/23/2013 6:18:20 PM PDT by mulder1 ("The past is prologue.")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Why wouldn’t they? They got everything from him that he could steal. Why keep a guy around who would sell his country out to them? They know very well he can’t be trusted.


228 posted on 06/23/2013 6:25:40 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: dfwgator

It should be obvious that the President has loyalty only to himself. What entity does he most frequently refer to in his speeches, so much so that it has become comical?


229 posted on 06/23/2013 6:27:57 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Travis McGee

If the United States wants him badly enough, it won’t matter where he goes. Hopefully that happens sooner than later.

The disturbing part is that he’s managed to be out this long with no consequences against him. Usually something would happen that would not be in Snowden’s favor.


230 posted on 06/23/2013 6:32:23 PM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: little jeremiah
I also see ... comparisons between Snowden and Manning. Not the same at all!

Yes, I've seen them too. Apples and oranges.

Snowden did the right thing to blow the whistle on the Stasi-like activities of this out-of-control government agency. How can one even think of honoring an oath to a government that is in TREASON to the people and the Constitution?

231 posted on 06/23/2013 10:19:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: cynwoody
He's probably booked on Aeroflot flight SU 150, a non-stop (important) departing at 14:05 (06:05 Eastern). There is an earlier flight at 07:25, but it makes a stop in Paris

SU 150 would normally take him over US airspace. I will be interesting to see if this flight deviates from its usual route to stay out of it or if it will be tempting the government to force it to land like it did with the Achille Lauro hijackers in 1985.

232 posted on 06/24/2013 3:51:06 AM PDT by eabinga
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To: cynwoody

“Iceland might be an uphill battle for Snowden. Icelandic MP Birgitta Jónsdóttir writes:”

I did not know that the Icelandic PM had made that statement.

The main thrust of what I was trying to say is that if the U.S.A. had wanted Fischer they would have captured him one way or another. They did not want to capture Fischer.

I do not believe that they actually want Snowden, either. Capturing him would open up a can of worms for the government. It would be almost impossible for the government to prosecute Snowden without exposing even more ‘illegal’ actions by said government.


233 posted on 06/24/2013 8:52:38 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: Bushbacker1

Who gives a damn where he is headed?...

He can’t come back here after exposing this corrupt government...It’s why people like Feinstien, Boxers, Obama and the homo leftist republicans are pissed.

Watch for the continued mountain of propaganda and lies coming out of fedgov...


234 posted on 06/24/2013 10:06:36 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mylife; markomalley
This guy is operating against our interests. I never did think his story rang true.

And lying corrupt government, who have now been exposed for illegally monitoring, spying on, wire tapping, threatening, targeting, harassing by Snowden and others, have your best interest in mind? Are you freaking kidding?

Suck up the corrupt biggov propaganda.

You're now aligned with Pelosi, homo Lindsay Graham, Obama and the rest of the lying corrupt running government.

Of course, I am not surprised by your comment.

235 posted on 06/24/2013 10:19:35 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: eabinga
SU 150 would normally take him over US airspace.

Indeed. Currently over northern Quebec. I don't know how accurate that link is, but zoom in and check out how it follows the west coast of Florida before dropping into Havana. Hope he has a window seat.

236 posted on 06/24/2013 10:50:54 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: markomalley

Flying to find sanctuary with our enemies doesn’t look good on him...


237 posted on 06/24/2013 1:36:10 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: dfwgator

The name changed, but nothing else has.


238 posted on 06/24/2013 1:38:22 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Then there are a lot of conservative idiots.


239 posted on 06/24/2013 1:41:39 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: winodog

Based on reports over the weekend....Snowden planned this months ago. I imagined that when he arrived in Hawaii...he walked into work every single day with a thumb-drive.

I would also imagine that he’s left various virus items within their system. And it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s connected the secure network....to a in-house unclassified network, where he downloads new stuff easily and daily. The whole facility....in my mind...ought to be shutdown and just closed. You can’t trust the integrity of that building anymore.


240 posted on 06/25/2013 8:52:35 PM PDT by pepsionice
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