Skip to comments.Rand Paul to Vote Against Gang of Eight's Immigration Bill
Posted on 06/23/2013 9:36:26 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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Totally agree with the rest of your post.
There is not now nor was there ever a need to erase national borders except to make it easier for global commerce.
I like business as much as the next person and Mexicans (Latinos) do not bother me in the least...but everyone needs a backyard they can call their own.
The GOPe can go fly a kite when it comes to finishing off our national sovereignty. I told everyone that if the GOP did not build the fence, I was jumping ship.
Where's the Fence? Go Rand!
This bill was obviously a monstrosity from the beginning. The fact that Paul didn’t get it ‘til now is very disturbing, and frankly, disqualifying in my mind. Bob
“So Rands excuse is the border wouldnt be secure enough under this plan. And if the border were secure enough? Then what Rand? You would then agree to flooding this nation with 100 million plus new citizens in under 20 years?
Someone set this guy on auto-destruct! Sadly, it was him.
Well that’s good to know. So are you saying Rand’s only participation in this immigration bill is his amendment aimed at making the border more secure?
He’s still for legalization—just wants a more secure border first.
Two conflicting views on Rand. Which is accurate?
No “new path to citizenship” doesn’t really have any significant meaning. As Paul explains in this clip, starting at 3:15: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june13/immigration_06-18.html , he would first of all, with a secure border, legalize the illegals here now. Then he would allow them to apply for citizenship just as they would have been able to do had they remained home. So they wouldn’t be put to the front of a line for citizenship, but they would be able to live here legally until their citizenship came through.
That is amnesty through and through.
Again, Paul’s “no new pathway” claim is meaningless. He would allow the illegals already here to live here legally while putting them in the regular line for citizenship with those who stayed home. This is a “new-for-the-presently-illegal path to citizenship” and it is abject amnesty.
You’ve also got them bringing their kin in via chain migration, which would multiply that 30 million by a factor of three.
I've argued on many threads with Freepers on this topic and other Rand Paul "Libertarian" perspectives. It's frustrating to no end on the blindness of nearly every so-called "constitutional conservative".
Rand is consistent and correctly principled on all core "conservative" beliefs, and he backs it up with action that riles both the left and right establishment.
There are a handful of good congress critters. Rand is #2 in my book amongst all. Cruz is #1. But, Cruz isn't eligible for POTUS from what I understand of the law (bummer of bummers). So, Rand is the #1 candidate for 2016 from my perspective.
Keep up the good work!
“Im like most conservatives in the country in that I think reform should be dependent on border security first,”
Close, and Thanks for SAYING, you’ll vote no.
However, You are still not like most conservatives in this country who think that some Precursor to Immigration Reform ameliorates the Evil Itself.
Most Conservatives in this Country have had a belly full of Immigration Reform period. Making the next round of being sold out conditional on some empty promise to “Do Something” first doesn’t cut it.
We want it stopped. No more damned Reforms.
Thanks. These guys... grrrr.
No new pathway to citizenship, means that one must return to their country of origin and then wait in line. Paul have been very consistent on this topic. All Paul would do is give qualified illegals in the USA a work visa.
Paul has been against the gang of 8 bill from day one. There was never any doubt which way he was going to vote. FR just has a bunch of Paul haters that constantly misrepresent him.
That’s absolutely not what Paul says in the interview.
He would have illegals who have been ‘legalized’ here be able to go in line as if they were still home and hadn’t committing felonies being here.
None of them have my trust. Way too many times we’ve seen erstwhile “conservatives” cave in favor of amnesty. It proves they all can be bought for the “right” price... and that includes Cruz. He just hasn’t been given the the offer he wants.. yet. A little pork here, a tacit threat there, and you’ve a made guy.
Rand right again.
After it has been changed by the Senate, won't the house need to vote on it again in it's final form?