Skip to comments.What is the proper balance between privacy and security?
Posted on 06/23/2013 9:53:57 AM PDT by Jim RobinsonEdited on 06/23/2013 9:55:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
The answer is in the constitution. The original intent of the constitution is to severely restrict the powers of government while guaranteeing our God-given, unalienable individual rights.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Warrants shall be issued ONLY upon probable cause and MUST describe the place to be searched and things to be seized. General warrants are verboten!
But we are at war.
Against whom? Which country? Where is the declaration of war per the U.S. Constitution?
The Islamic maniacs are at war with us, but they always have been, always will be. They cannot live in peace with the rest of the world. They must kill all who don't follow Allah. Perhaps we should declare war against Islam and get it over with but we won't.
Meanwhile, we cannot and should not suspend our constitution or allow government to stomp on our unalienable rights. Obama wants to set himself up as a dictator and that's exactly what will happen if we allow him to suspend the constitution. It's already happening right before our eyes and unless we get a handle on this thing immediately, America as a free country is over.
Our founders were pretty serious about these things:
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Along with the guaranteed right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, the founders also gave us these additional guarantees (among others):
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The government is in direct violation of the constitution when it suppresses the free press or deprives the people of their constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech. The government violates the constitution by spying on the press or the people. They cannot snoop on our phone calls or email messages or demand that companies turn over "billing records," "metadata," content, IP addresses, email addresses, ID's, or any other communications by or among individuals whether private or business. And obviously they're in direct violation of the constitution when they attempt to infringe upon our rights to keep and bear arms.
The second amendment is intended for our personal defense and security. Our country cannot declare war against Islam and they refuse to stop allowing people who are at war with us to take up residency within the U.S. so our only real security is to remain armed and vigilant. If the Islamists wish to conduct war against our people on OUR soil, then they had best bring their lunch and a lantern, because it's going to be a long day for them. Americans are armed to the teeth and we aim to defend ourselves, our families, our property and our nation. The government sure as hell isn't.
So, the proper balance between privacy and security is for the government to keep its snooping eyes and ears the hell out out of our mail, out of our phone calls, out of our email and online activities and to keep their fascist hands off our property and off our guns per the constitution!
Always has been. Always will be.
We are supposedly at war with Muslims, but they admitted that mosques are off-limits.....so what “enemy” are they really fighting?
About 5000 rounds?
All was predicted presciently . No turning back now without some major upheaval simply because The Beast System is now too large to dismantle piece by piece. The protectors and overlords would never allow their Beast to be cut to pieces? :
...the species of oppression by which democratic nations are menaced is unlike anything that ever before existed in the world; our contemporaries will find no prototype of it in their memories. I seek in vain for an expression that will accurately convey the whole of the idea I have formed of it; the old words despotism and tyranny are inappropriate: the thing itself is new, and since I cannot name, I must attempt to define it.
Above this race of men stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living?
Thus it every day renders the exercise of the free agency of man less useful and less frequent; it circumscribes the will within a narrower range and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things;it has predisposed men to endure them and often to look on them as benefits.
After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.
Our contemporaries are constantly excited by two conflicting passions: they want to be led, and they wish to remain free. As they cannot destroy either the one or the other of these contrary propensities, they strive to satisfy them both at once. They devise a sole, tutelary, and all-powerful form of government, but elected by the people. They combine the principle of centralization and that of popular sovereignty; this gives them a respite: they console themselves for being in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians.
WHAT SORT OF DESPOTISM DEMOCRATIC NATIONS HAVE TO FEAR
Alexis de Tocqueville
Excellent reasoning. I’m sure your post will occupy a proud and prominent position in your NSA file.
In answer to the balance question, ...truth. We as a nation, (our government) have/has chosen to lie about the nature of our security problem, and we are losing everything because of that lie.
The information gathering is for naught because our State Department and White House are infested with pro-Communist, pro-Islamist politicos.
There is not the will to act on foreknowledge against activity by fellow travelers.
And it is questionable if the information that has been gathered this way could be used in court to make the case after the crime has occurred. It is one of the reasons that the “case” against William Ayers fell apart (I happen to believe that he still could’ve been charged with felony flight, taking up arms against this nation in a time of war, plotting riots, ATF charges for the bombs, treasonous support of the North Korean military in a time of war, etc.). Jimmy Carter didn’t care to follow through on actions against the Viet Nam War violators (traitors or draft dodgers).
Mr. Obama has already declared the War on Terror to be over.
So what IS this information gathering for? And does the DNC maintain their own “backup copy” of the networking data?
We’re not supposed to be a democratic nation, it’s a constitutional Republic.
When I went to school I was taught that democracy was the worst posible form of government, but that was 60 years ago.
Great post! I recommend this post to all Freepers.
The answer is in the constitution.
Too obviousand gooda solution for the vast majority of self-described "public servants" in Washington, D.C.
I believe the feral government has declared its independence of us, the people.
“We are supposedly at war with Muslims, but they admitted that mosques are off-limits.....so what enemy are they really fighting?”
But we really aren’t at war with “Muslims”. To the extent that we are at war, it is with Muslim Terrorists, their organizations and their allies (and their extremist ideology that fuel their hatred for anything non-Muslim).
They’re not collecting all this info to fight terrorists. They’re collecting it to use against US!
Polls show that most Americans are reluctantly in favor of their government spying on them. Its inevitable.
But what really ticks us off is that they spy on honest conservative Americans and they use the tyrannical powers of the IRS to do their dirty work; yet ignore the real foreign AND domestic enemies here in the US. Namely muslims.
The Boston bombings is proof positive.
I don’t think politicians should be allowed to make these decisions.
Given that Mao was right about political power coming from the muzzle of a gun, I believe the proper balance is best enunciated in the 2nd, not the 4th, Amendment.