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Edward Snowden asks Ecuador for asylum
BBC ^ | 23 June 2013 | BBC

Posted on 06/23/2013 10:42:54 AM PDT by SgtBilko

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1 posted on 06/23/2013 10:42:54 AM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: SgtBilko

Wonder if obama will send fighters to intercept and force it to land here?
Wouldnt be surprised.


2 posted on 06/23/2013 10:50:43 AM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: SgtBilko
It appears Iceland was not prepared for him.

Ecuador is great. Exotic locations should increase the film rights that he will get for his story.

Oliver Stone is a bit disappointed however, he was hoping that Venezuela stuff was true.

3 posted on 06/23/2013 10:55:21 AM PDT by metafugitive
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To: Yorlik803
"Wonder if obama will send fighters to intercept and force it to land here?"

Kook alert!

4 posted on 06/23/2013 10:55:58 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Yorlik803
Hard to tell what Obama could do.

On the side of strict protection of privacy are people like Sens. Lee and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, and Matt Drudge, and liberal figures like filmmaker Michael Moore and Glenn Greenwald, who has broken many of the stories relating to the leaks.

The other side those defending surveillance practices is President Barack Obama (he shifted his stance as president) John Boehner, Nancy Pelosi, Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Joe Klein, Jeffrey Toobin, Charles Krauthammer.

5 posted on 06/23/2013 10:58:43 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: SgtBilko

Is a white Ford Bronco involved in this chase yet?


6 posted on 06/23/2013 10:59:19 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Yorlik803

Waste of money. One bullet would do it


7 posted on 06/23/2013 10:59:57 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: SgtBilko

I thought that he said he didn’t care what happened to him? If his revelations about domestic spying were really based on principle, then why did he leave Hong Kong and not battle it out in the courts, instead choosing to flirt with this country’s enemies?


8 posted on 06/23/2013 11:03:32 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

Ecuador is not anybody’s enemy.


9 posted on 06/23/2013 11:07:17 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: SgtBilko

Tomorrow’s headline: “Plane heading for Ecuador goes down in storm.”


10 posted on 06/23/2013 11:07:38 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Ecuador is not anybody’s enemy.


11 posted on 06/23/2013 11:07:54 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: Timber Rattler

It’s likely he didn’t feel he’d get a fair shake. From what I’ve seen lately it’s certainly not inconceivable he wouldn’t.


12 posted on 06/23/2013 11:08:40 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Yorlik803

I would, if I were the pilot, with a bunch of people on board in addition to Snowden, with no beef with the USA, just play chicken. They might radio to him, they have gone hot, “turn around, you will be shot down”, but Obama hasnt the b*lls to do it and he knows he risks impeachment for pulling such a stunt such as shooting down what will probably be a commercial airliner filled with other passengers. Nope, as the pilot, I would just keep on my sweet way to Quito and flip them the bird. In international aviation there is not a thing they can do about it. Obama would never issue the order.


13 posted on 06/23/2013 11:09:21 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Un won't have a single "bad underwear day" unless/until we've a patriot in the White House)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Wife and I are looking into retiring there in the next year or so.


14 posted on 06/23/2013 11:10:07 AM PDT by eastforker (Cruz for steam in 2016)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
No, but he was certainly divulging some things he knew to the Red Chinese and he was also negotiating with the Russians.

NOT COOL!

15 posted on 06/23/2013 11:11:27 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Bad news to say he has laptops with him with lots more info. No doubt even Ecucador would like to mine those for useful propaganda.
Maybe he has more than one possible destination to confuse any intercept.


16 posted on 06/23/2013 11:12:11 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Tell that to KAL 007. What happened to the soviets? zip.


17 posted on 06/23/2013 11:12:33 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SgtBilko
They say Prism cannot be used to intentionally target any Americans or anyone in the US, and that it is supervised by judges.

Just like the IRS can't -

Oh wait...

18 posted on 06/23/2013 11:12:53 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: metafugitive

I hear Iceland is really nice, but - it’s not called Ice Land for no reason. I can see Ecuador, especially up in the mountains.


19 posted on 06/23/2013 11:12:55 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Snowden may not find “freedom of the Press” as much as he hopes.... as of Friday the Ecuador Legisters passed a bill curtailing that...

“The law creates a Superintendency of Information and Communication, with the power to”

- regulate the news media
- investigate possible violations
- impose potentially hefty fines

It creates a five-member Council for the Regulation and Development of Information and Communication, led by a representative ‘of the president’, to oversee the news media.


20 posted on 06/23/2013 11:14:01 AM PDT by caww
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To: traderrob6

Just check out the highly suspicious death of Michael Hastings.


21 posted on 06/23/2013 11:17:04 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie ("Demons run when a good man goes to war.")
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Ecuador is run by a Socialist clown in the same vein as Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro.


22 posted on 06/23/2013 11:17:20 AM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: bigbob
So..

S! can see Russia!

23 posted on 06/23/2013 11:17:35 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: bigbob
I hear Iceland is really nice, but - it’s not called Ice Land for no reason. I can see Ecuador, especially up in the mountains.

It is not about the climate, it is about his security.

Snowden is a pawn in the new cold war.

Warm climes may be desirable for cold war warriors in exile but it did not work all that well for Trotsky.

He simply safer on some island in the North Atlantic than anywhere in the Southern Hemisphere.

24 posted on 06/23/2013 11:21:22 AM PDT by metafugitive
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To: SgtBilko
Ecuador is as bad a choice as Cuba or Venezuela if Snowden cares about the support amongst the American public.

If he really wants to stick it to the U.S. government, he should consider suicide. Who would believe it was really a suicide?

25 posted on 06/23/2013 11:22:20 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Buffalo Head; Yorlik803

In 1985 National Security staffer Ollie North ordered commercial airliner over Mediteranean to be forced by US fighters to land in Sicily. That had the alleged Achille Lauro highjacker Abul Abbas on board.

I always felt that was a total violation of international law, but North and Reagan (as much as I otherwise respect them) were heralded as gutsy by many. Of course the libs and media hated it then (as I did). But if Bambi did it now, they would love it (and I would still hate it).

http://www.military.com/NewContent1/0,14361,FreedomAlliance_031104,00.htm


26 posted on 06/23/2013 11:23:38 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Timber Rattler

<....”why did he leave Hong Kong and not battle it out in the courts, instead choosing to flirt with this country’s enemies?”.....>

Because Assange is in charge and working this entire orchestration....Snowden’s in over his head willingly or not..I tend to think he was a computer nerd Assad got wind of/ or plantsed... so Assange is enjoying being back on stage Himself again...

...money’s pouring into Wikileaks again...they were loosing mega amounts prior...Assange had to do something to gain the
World’s Attention for that is his goal and plan in order to remain “in business”.

From an interview..

Where does Assange see WikiLeaks in 10 years?.....

“It’s not what I want the world to be. .....It’s what I want the rest of the world to be,” ......he replies. (Follow Me)

How he defines national security:

....’’We don’t,’ he says crisply.... “We’re not interested in that. ........ We are a supranational organisation..... So we’re not interested in national security.’’

Assange states....”We’re an international organisation. We deal with international problems,’’

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/the-secret-life-of-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-20100521-w1um.html


27 posted on 06/23/2013 11:24:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: Timber Rattler

The Chinese and the Russians don’t give a rat’s a$$ if the NSA is spying on American citizens. If Snowden had any intelligence value for them he would not have been allowed to leave. The bottom line here is that Snowden didn’t reveal anything they didn’t already know.


28 posted on 06/23/2013 11:24:45 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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To: John S Mosby

Of course zip. And fact is, KAL 007 was very deeply in Soviet Airspace over the time, over the Sakhalin Peninsula. This aircraft the Snowden will take to Ecuador I assume will go nowhere near US airspace, should be in international most of the time, with transit over other nations’ airspace. If Obama shot down a loaded public commercial airliner with many others aboard just to get to one man, there would be absolute holy hell to pay for it, believe me, mark my words. Worldwide.


29 posted on 06/23/2013 11:24:47 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Un won't have a single "bad underwear day" unless/until we've a patriot in the White House)
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To: John S Mosby

>>>Tell that to KAL 007. What happened to the soviets? zip.<<<

Pretty irrelevant. KAL007 stranded into their restricted airspace and they’ve misidentified it as an RC-135.

All of the above are rarely possible today.


30 posted on 06/23/2013 11:25:11 AM PDT by cunning_fish
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To: ChocChipCookie

“Just check out the highly suspicious death of Michael Hastings.”

Indeed. It appears that Snowden is engaging in PSYOPS against our government.

As for the “one bullet would take care of it” crowd, I’d like to know what these people would do if they worked in an environment where daily abuses of their fellow citizens privacy and the mass collection of private data were collected and disseminated, in direct contradiction to the U.S. Constitution and our Bill of Rights?

Remain silent and allow the abuse to continue unfettered?

Sorry, but if that’s the case, I would consider Snowden the Patriot as opposed to those who would choose silence as some form of perverse duty. Duty to what and who?

That may change, depending on how Snowden acts going forward, but as of today, that man is a hero in my opinion.


31 posted on 06/23/2013 11:26:30 AM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

“Plane heading for Ecuador goes down in storm.”

One can only hope...


32 posted on 06/23/2013 11:26:46 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: AmericanInTokyo

see my link in post 26


33 posted on 06/23/2013 11:26:52 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: SgtBilko

According to all the “experts” in the msm and government, this stupid high school drop out can’t outsmart the CIA, FBI, DOJ, NSA, DHS, etc etc....right???


34 posted on 06/23/2013 11:27:12 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The information he gave the Chinese and Russians was not about spying on Americans, but about spying on them, and real damage was done.

He crossed the line into treason by doing that.

35 posted on 06/23/2013 11:27:32 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SgtBilko

So he goes to Ecuador, a neighboring country to Colombia (main source of cocaine through Mexico to US) and a country which notably uses the US Dollar as it’s currency.

Highly malleable country Ecuador and the dollar connection, well it is too cute in re: bargaining and lining one’s pockets. With good relations with the Chi-coms, notably.

Snowden is yet another self appointed ethics hustler, and part of the wikileaks team, along with Assange who is currently residing in the Ecuadorian London embassy. My opinion, whole thing a chicom op, including wikileaks. We are no longer as free, thanks to these, their money loans their militarism, their lack of religious freedom—the new china, same as the old. Let’s see if he gets to Ecuador and stays there very long.


36 posted on 06/23/2013 11:28:03 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Timber Rattler

I despise the “my country right or wrong” mentality;when you believe your country is wrong you should not have to just accept it. By such “reasoning: any German who didn’t support the Nazi government whole-heartedly was a traitor.Yet which stance is better?

I am certain there are many dark secrets of American government that need to be exposed and the power of government cut back.

I suppose now they will come shoot my dog and stomp my cat to death .

But I should be GLAD just to be allowed to be “free” ?

What today’s Americans accept as free,pre-1861 Americans called tyranny! (I denote the action of governments in forcibly drafting men into the armies as a sure sign a society is not free.)


37 posted on 06/23/2013 11:30:25 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: metafugitive

<....”Snowden is a pawn in the new cold war”....>

He’s Assange’s “puppet” for the time being...Snowden was likely planted by Assange, who had to do something to get back on the “world Stage” of interfering in Nation states and affecting the outcomes of those he chooses to intervene in.

Russia’s enjoying playing ‘O’ in this.....Putins basically saying He has “more flexability after the election”...

Assange has bases in Iceland and Kenya....possibly Siberia....not sure how Ecuador plays into that Equation but Assange certainly has pull there.


38 posted on 06/23/2013 11:30:49 AM PDT by caww
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To: SgtBilko

Rather ironic, considering that Ecuador’s extreme leftist president is in the process of getting a gag-law passed through his rubber-stamp legislature, directed entirely at muzzling the press.


39 posted on 06/23/2013 11:33:16 AM PDT by livius
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To: Yorlik803

Did some research. There are no direct flights from moscow to either Quito nor Guayaquil. The closest international flight would be via Amsterdam, the netherlands. So i guess he’ll get a special purpose direct flight on either a russian or ecuadorian government airliner.


40 posted on 06/23/2013 11:33:36 AM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: Timber Rattler

“why did he leave Hong Kong and not battle it out in the courts, instead choosing to flirt with this country’s enemies?”

He wouldn’t get a fair and public trial. He would get a secret trial in a secret court, without a jury. Why ? Because they don’t care about the constitution. The only way to survive is to flee into a independent country that has no extradition treaty with the US. That drastically reduces the number of places where he could go to.


41 posted on 06/23/2013 11:33:53 AM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: maine-iac7

“Oh wait...”

That’s just the point where the brits come into the game.

The NSA is allowed to gather data about us citizens. They’re not allowed to examin that data. BUT: The NSA is allowed to forward ALL gathered information to the british MI5. The MI5 examines that data on demand by the NSA. The perfect legal loop hole ....


42 posted on 06/23/2013 11:34:28 AM PDT by SgtBilko
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To: Timber Rattler

Yep..and with Assange calling those shots. Snowden is soooo in over his head...the only thing he can do is continue as is planned for him by Assange....who obviously has much to gain by using his “puppet”.


43 posted on 06/23/2013 11:36:08 AM PDT by caww
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To: ChocChipCookie
Just check out the highly suspicious death of Michael Hastings.

Hastings was much more dangerous than Fast Eddie.

All the information that Fast Eddie has is most likely operational information about how we spy.

Hastings was dangerous because he was looking into botched shipments of American arms out of Benghazi that most likely ended up in the hands of Syrian rebels who were not from Syria.

This is highly embarrassing stuff for our first African American POTUS and our soon to be first female POTUS.

Part of the cover-up was bloodlessly taking down the Director of the CIA the old-fashioned way with a sex scandal.

If Snowden knew the secrets that Hastings was attempting to find but most likely had not gotten his hands on, he would have been a dead body discovered in a Hong Kong hotel room with a suicide note.

44 posted on 06/23/2013 11:38:00 AM PDT by metafugitive
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To: livius
<....”Ecuador’s extreme leftist president is in the process of getting a gag-law passed through his rubber-stamp legislature, directed entirely at muzzling the press”....>

That Law “quickly” passed Friday....convenient uh?

45 posted on 06/23/2013 11:39:23 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Snowden was likely planted by Assange, who had to do something to get back on the “world Stage” of interfering in Nation states and affecting the outcomes of those he chooses to intervene in.

Your Tin Foil hat be heavier than mine. I have got to get me some of that heavy duty Reynolds Wrap.

I agree that Assange may now be his puppet master, but I cannot give Assange the credit from orchestrating this from the beginning.

46 posted on 06/23/2013 11:44:27 AM PDT by metafugitive
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To: SgtBilko

Snowden has to “pay to play” in Assanges ball park.....exposing Britains Security Program was Assanges poke in the face of London not allowing him to leave the Ecuador Embassey there....Snowden had to give him that documentation.....others as well which Assange will use when he wants to intervene in International Affairs.

Snowden is nothing but a computer nerd who now sees he’s running for his life in a Geo-political game that he had no clue of the powers that would come to bear....but he’s learning!


47 posted on 06/23/2013 11:44:42 AM PDT by caww
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To: AmericanInTokyo

From the reports I’ve seen he flew commercial on each leg of the trip. Probably a smart move as making a private jet go away wouldn’t bother Obama.


48 posted on 06/23/2013 11:45:59 AM PDT by matt04
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To: metafugitive

Either or...Assange saw an opportunity to be front page again...it’s working...and the revenues are once again pouring into Wikileaks and he’s got the stage...Snowden’s just the pawn he’s moving on the gameboard.

However...it is possible Assange located Snowden early on...which would explain Snowdens “Short” employments at CIA and other International travels he had. I don’t sy that happened...but it’s certainly possible they were in contact early on. Snowden “followed” Assange.


49 posted on 06/23/2013 11:48:03 AM PDT by caww
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To: cunning_fish

Congressman Larry Macdonald was on that plane. The Japanese continue to claim the Sakalin 4 islands the sovs still hold as not being part of the 1951 treaty when they renounced sovereignty. The sovs did and still do (the old sovs anyway) claim that plane was a spy plane.

Understand your point.

Mine was there were no repercussions for killing 269. While the US has never admitted responsibility or apologized to Iran for Vincennes shootdown of IranAir flight— we did pay compensation.

The soviets were not particularly interested in KAL 007 and purposely misdirected the search for the wreckage, found the flight data recorders and hid that fact, finally letting the flight data recorders be examined (mysteriously both tapes stopping 1:44 minutes after the missile hit). Classic lying sovietskis, and incompetent at the same time.


50 posted on 06/23/2013 11:48:54 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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