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NSA director: Edward Snowden has caused irreversible damage to US
http://www.guardian.co.uk ^ | , Sunday 23 June 2013 13 | Spencer Ackerman and Dominic Rushe

Posted on 06/23/2013 1:16:22 PM PDT by redreno

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51 posted on 06/23/2013 1:53:50 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: ronnie raygun

Not really. The ones who really control America and thus use frauds like little barry bastard boy will just let the noise subside then go right on with their plans for global governance and control. The We The People Constitutional Republic is a figment of memory, not a running reality now.


52 posted on 06/23/2013 1:55:13 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: redreno

This guy Keith Alexander maybe a decent, honorable man. the problem is, he works for a regime that is dishonorable, and lawless. The majority in the country do not trust this Chi-Town thug government.


53 posted on 06/23/2013 1:55:43 PM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: DManA
"He can’t tell us how he caused the damage because that’s a secret. We just need to trust him."

When first you set out to deceive,
don't be surprised that folks disbelieve.

These guys have themselves tied in knots. Ludicrous.

54 posted on 06/23/2013 1:56:44 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: redreno

General Alexander told ABC’s This Week: “This is an individual who is not acting, in my opinion, with noble intent ...

Is the General talking about his boss?


55 posted on 06/23/2013 2:04:18 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: cripplecreek
 photo obama_big_brother_1984.jpg
56 posted on 06/23/2013 2:05:26 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: JoeProBono

I estimate his weight to be around 800 lbs.


57 posted on 06/23/2013 2:07:26 PM PDT by Ken H
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>> Edward Snowden has caused irreversible damage to US

That makes two. Possible Beer Summit ahead?


58 posted on 06/23/2013 2:09:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: dfwgator

Now that there is the truth. This is what it all about ... preventing dissent.


59 posted on 06/23/2013 2:12:42 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: SaxxonWoods

Well said.


60 posted on 06/23/2013 2:12:47 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

The types you described are not conservative, they are Trotskyites, Statist and not worthy of freedom.


61 posted on 06/23/2013 2:17:20 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: skeeter

“I’ll take my chances with the terrorists”

yup, I’m with you. The terrorist boogieman has nothing on Big Brother whose tentacles go from DC into every tiny little enclave in our Country. Rural America; its everywhere and nowhere is safe.

Has your local or County Law Enforcement taken any govt money via federal programs? Guess what little town, you’ve been compromised by the enemy.

The irony is that far too many of FreeRepublic are up in arms over our enemy getting secrets. Who is more dangerous to me and my family this very moment - China, Russia or my own Govt and it’s propaganda machine the MSM?


62 posted on 06/23/2013 2:17:42 PM PDT by roofgoat
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To: redreno

ANY damage that has been caused was caused by NSA, Obama, his democrats, all others that have violated our Constitution and their oaths.


63 posted on 06/23/2013 2:18:00 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: dfwgator

No doubt, but I still say what Snowden did was very foolish. First off it isn’t going to change anything, and second he basically destroyed his life. He would have been a lot more effective and more of a “hero” if he collected evidence pointing all the way to the top: For example our twice unconstitutionally elected admitted foreign born POTUS giving the order to harass conservatives groups such as the Tea party.


64 posted on 06/23/2013 2:19:45 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: redreno

They want to keep the focus on Snowden and avoid what he revealed.


65 posted on 06/23/2013 2:19:56 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: All
Spys.

Chicollini and Pinky

66 posted on 06/23/2013 2:20:20 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: iopscusa

I do not disagree. But FR is full of them. Just read ANY thread on this issue and you’ll see many.


67 posted on 06/23/2013 2:22:32 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: redreno

National Security Agency director Keith Alexander wants to keep his cushy, lazy ass job.

That is it in a nutshell.


68 posted on 06/23/2013 2:28:51 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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Night of the Hawks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahvbRutGaHA


69 posted on 06/23/2013 2:29:55 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Case against Snowden?   ...as in court case?

No, they expect the masses to roar in approval when an American non-muslim is executed by Dear Leader without any due process using a drone, sniper, or SPECOPS team.

HF

70 posted on 06/23/2013 2:31:36 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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Danmation Alley/Your Secrets Safe with Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW3MEp8Vf_A


71 posted on 06/23/2013 2:31:56 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: redreno

Keith Alexander , FU! , YOU have caused irreversible damage with your wanton disregard for the constitution.


72 posted on 06/23/2013 2:37:37 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: dfwgator

They couldn’t prevent Boston....they are more concerned with going after Tea Partiers than Muslim terrorists.
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Tea Partiers use their real names , don’t encrypt communications and don’t use “burn” phones ,,, they’re the easy target ... The muslim terrorists are the protected class ... stopping terrorisn is EASY if we just stop protecting the perps ... hell the White Hut with bath-house Barry won’t even allow the bad guys to be named...

for the NSA : detonator RDX detonator RDX pressure cooker


73 posted on 06/23/2013 2:41:37 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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Better Cleaner Version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW3MEp8Vf_A


74 posted on 06/23/2013 2:43:18 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: unixfox
Not to defend this guy but he can make a lot more money elsewhere ~ he doesn't need the job.

However, somebody just tied Clapper together with Snowden in a koinkydink ~ they both worked for the same company!

Regarding any of their public statements these guys are not authorized to declassify anything, and just about everything about NSA is classified. That means if they say anything of substance they are either in violation of the classification rules or they are lying.

Since we have no independent way of knowing we have to assume they lie!

75 posted on 06/23/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by muawiyah (Get your RED (state) Arm Bands ~)
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To: abb
And even more concerned with their fat, taxpayer funded pensions.

NSA is just another Federal jobs program
You could spy and collect on the people (terrorist and foreign enemies) that you really need to for one tenth the billions being spent. But Senators are idiots and will fund NSA based on the hi tech mumbo jumbo run by them for appropriations. But in order to build a bureaucratic empire and funnel billions to their contractor buddies (for kickbacks) NSA has to get bigger and bigger and expand its mission to collect information on everyone living in the USA

76 posted on 06/23/2013 2:46:38 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Snowden is not the hero you think he is due to his actions and his choices. That charge would have come from any administration, not just 0’s.

Going through hostile territory does not help Snowden’s case. The kind of damage that he caused is not something attributable to any particular administration. He has made it that much easier for the next attack on the US to happen by his actions and his travels through hostile countries.

He can’t hide forever and he will be caught by the United States. If there are people helping him, they will end up with the same fate as Snowden’s.


77 posted on 06/23/2013 2:50:02 PM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: All
Hawkwind~The Watcher
78 posted on 06/23/2013 2:51:24 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: jsanders2001

...”If Trailblazer was a massive corporate boondoggle, ThinThread was the embodiment of the “skunk team” approach that had made the NSA the crown jewel of US intelligence. It cost less than $3 million, was small enough to be loaded onto a laptop, and included anonymization software that protected the privacy rights of US persons guaranteed in the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).

And while Trailblazer employed hundreds of contractors, ThinThread was the work of less than a dozen NSA employees and a handful of contractors.”
Read more: Obama’s Crackdown on Whistleblowers | The Nation http://www.thenation.com/article/173521/obamas-crackdown-whistleblowers#ixzz2X4rwGOcj

This NSA probem didn’t happen overnight. It began when Gen Michael Hayden chose outside contractors and their spy project the TrailBlazer over the inside NSA project ThinThread. TrailBlazer cost billions and invaded our privacy. ThinThread was a project done by scientists inside the NSA, cost 3 million and didn’t invade our privacy. This is the time when the outside contractors not only entered the NSA zone but also started hiring outside people willy nilly - how many did they hire that were/are spies? The original inside NSA whistleblowers (one of which was involved in creating ThinThread), who were persecuted for years, were right.


79 posted on 06/23/2013 2:53:41 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: redreno

He’s right, of course. Because of Snowden’s actions, 300,000,000 terrorists now know about the NSA’s program.


80 posted on 06/23/2013 2:54:35 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: redreno

Snowden saved us from Alexanders gestapo!


81 posted on 06/23/2013 2:54:51 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: setha

I didn’t call him a hero. I said he did what many of us begged for and some of us turned on him will all the grace of a liberal.

The bottom line is that anyone here saying at this moment, that he is a traitor, stand up proudly and tell the world that YOU would trust your life/future/family to the creatures now running the GOP for protection.

If you can’t or won’t, you might want to ask yourself again why he did what he did.


82 posted on 06/23/2013 2:57:41 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: redreno

“Allies” being most of the governments and government-linked corporations against their private sector enemies, we presume.


83 posted on 06/23/2013 3:01:27 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: redreno

Why should we trust anybody in a government that ignores and subverts the will of the people?


84 posted on 06/23/2013 3:02:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Religious faith in government is far crazier than religious faith in God.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

The problem with that it doesnt serve Snowden’s agenda, much less the agendas of the people helping him. In a strange sense, he has helped the very adminisration that he appears to oppose.

So not only has he gone against the US, he inadvertently has helped the very people he criticized.


85 posted on 06/23/2013 3:03:41 PM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: redreno

What about the others who’ve leaked details about the illegal surveillance?


86 posted on 06/23/2013 3:05:50 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: redreno

He didn’t release anything. All this is a smokescreen.


87 posted on 06/23/2013 3:06:04 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: CodeToad

Snowden is the new Emmanuel Goldstein.


88 posted on 06/23/2013 3:06:35 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: redreno
Nobody is watching the Watchers. How the hell do we know what damage they are doing.
Sure, what he did may have been illegal but there's not one politician who has the balls to
question the unwatchable NSA. Unwatchable by anybody who can do anything without being
cornered by RINO's and RATS for being Political! Well, after the IRS corruption
I have no problem with POLITICAL! Everything is political.

Just wait to see if a Republican gets the office of POTUS. Every damn RAT will be
squealing like stuck pigs about over-reach! The Same damn Over-reach the RATs are guilty of,
the same damn laws they pushed and used over-reachingly (sp) politically.

89 posted on 06/23/2013 3:07:08 PM PDT by MaxMax (I'f you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: redreno
Snowden just exposed another arm of the communists control of America. The NSA is just another part of the arm King Obama will use to control Americans.
90 posted on 06/23/2013 3:07:16 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: setha

Those lining up with Obama and the anti-Constitution (damm their rights and freedoms) crowd are the one who are causing irreversible damage to US, not Snowden who has exposed the illegal activity of this govt.


91 posted on 06/23/2013 3:09:17 PM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: dennisw

Just think, Adam and Eve only got to taste the fruit.

If what we read about the Snowden affair is truthful, then
isn’t it wonderful we have the technology to know everything about good and evil? /s


92 posted on 06/23/2013 3:16:39 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: redreno

I was on the fence before. Now I’m sure Snowden is the good guy.


93 posted on 06/23/2013 3:17:44 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Yep. I stated that I’d hold my peace until I could find out exactly what it was that Snowden revealed that was genuinely damaging. So far, nada. And the “well, it was horrible but we can’t tell you what it was because it’s classified” argument stinks like a three-day-dead fish. If he revealed it and it’s damaging, there isn’t much use to keep it classified, is there?


94 posted on 06/23/2013 3:22:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Lurker

From http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1260306/edward-snowden-classified-us-data-shows-hong-kong-hacking-targets

Snowden, the man behind explosive leaks of information on the US government’s Prism programme that collected phone and web data from its citizens, has pledged to stay in Hong Kong to fight any attempts by his government to have him extradited.

The detailed records - which cannot be independently verified - show specific dates and the IP addresses of computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland hacked by the National Security Agency over a four-year period.

They also include information indicating whether an attack on a computer was ongoing or had been completed, along with an amount of additional operational information.

The small sample data suggests secret and illegal NSA attacks on Hong Kong computers had a success rate of more than 75 per cent, according to the documents. The information only pertains to attacks on civilian computers with no reference to Chinese military operations, Snowden said.


IMHO, this is a criminal exposure of classified techniques.

Considering both China and the US have been constructing Zettabyte Data Centers, they both are operating along similar lines and haven for a decade.


95 posted on 06/23/2013 3:41:58 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: redreno

clintonh8r: Baraq Hussein 0bama has done irreversible damage to the United States


96 posted on 06/23/2013 3:56:44 PM PDT by clintonh8r ("Europe was created by history. America was created by a philosophy." Baroness Thatcher)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Ok, fair enough. I would agree that calling him a traitor would be overdoing it.

That said, he has done things that make uncomfortable questions in uncomfortable places, especially given that national defense/security has not been questioned much until now. That is where I have an issue, since this cuts into any legitimate work that the NSA may do to prevent harm from groups that oppose anyone from the United States.

For what I see of it, he couldn’t handle doing the job, knowing that it put too much stress against his personal values. It’s not something that isn’t exactly unheard of in that line of work, but it is exceptionally rare for someone to go as far as Snowden.

Comfort is going to be something foreign to him for the rest of his life. I hope he understands that, since he will eventually have only one companion that he can trust.


97 posted on 06/23/2013 4:02:19 PM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: setha

Oh he will have a bitch of a life, no doubt. The thing is, to me, there is all this feigned outrage on the right over him when not a day goes by that Obama and co do not fund terrorism, sending BILLIONS to the people trying to kill us. I do not see the level of sustained outrage directed at Snowden ever. It happens and people ignore the FACT the GOP could stop it, defund it, shut govt down if needed EVERY TIME.

And what does the GOP do? Take advantage of the convenient scapegoat to pile on. What do many Freepers do? Pile on.

He may well turn out to be a full blown traitor. But that does nothing to obscure the reality that our Govt considers us the enemy while funding AQ or the MB.


98 posted on 06/23/2013 4:09:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: redreno

Yeh, now the American public has wised up. That is definitely not what the NSA was looking for.


99 posted on 06/23/2013 4:56:01 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: gorush; ntnychik; potlatch; onyx

100 posted on 06/23/2013 5:02:23 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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