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INSIDE THE GREAT OBAMA AMMO GRAB
Human Events ^ | 6/23/2013 | Raquel Okyay

Posted on 06/23/2013 11:22:12 PM PDT by neverdem

An international firearms dealer said the White House is blocking ammunition sales to American citizens as federal agencies continue to stockpile.

“There are elements in the United States government moving to obstruct commercial ammunition sales,” said Anthony Melé, an international firearms dealer and owner of AMI Global Security, LLC. AGS is a defense trade and manufacturer’s exporter registered with the U.S. Department of Defense and the United Nations.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives denied AGS’s application for an ammunition-order by designating typical rifle rounds as armor piercing if they are made with a steel core instead of a lead core, he said. “They designated the ammunition AP, defined as armor piercing, even though the ammunition being supplied cannot pierce armor.”

“If ATFE were accurate, then a ten-cent bullet could penetrate a $5 million Abrams tank,” he said. “Obviously this makes little technical sense.”“What makes a bullet armor piercing along with the caliber, full metal jacket brass is the projectile of the bullet, not the inner core,” he said.

“We secured a deal between an international supplier and an American wholesaler for four million rounds of ammunition used typically with semi-automatic rifles, after a three-month intense negotiation process that started in January,” said Melé.

They successfully negotiated many licenses, approvals, and shipping details in order to transport the ammunition over multiple borders to close the sale, only to be rejected by ATFE, said the U.S. Army veteran. “There were technical difficulties involved, but we were able to successfully lock all parties into an agreement. It was not easy.”

After the deadly Dec. 14 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., that resulted in 26 deaths, including the lone-gunman in, President Barack H. Obama Jr. called for immediate action and concrete gun control policies.

Melé, who studied international diplomacy and international conflict management at Vermont’s Norwich University, said they suffered a significant loss due to the anti-Second Amendment antics of the Obama administration, which have a hidden agenda of disarmament.

The AP designation is an excuse to decrease commercial sales of ammunition, he said. “There is a real shortage of ammunition in the United States perhaps due to the Obama administration buying-up the entire surplus and directing agencies to block ammunition imports.”

Republican lawmakers in the Senate and House of Representatives introduced a joint bill in late April that would limit the amount of ammunition federal agencies, except for the Department of Defense, are permitted to purchase.

“The Obama administration has prevented Americans from obtaining the very same rounds that the government is buying,” Melé said.

“Some would opine that the steel core bullets are the dreaded cop killer ones, but that too is inaccurate when the projectile disintegrates on impact,” he said. Teflon-coated bullets, sometimes colloquially known as ”cop killer bullets” are covered with a coating of polytetrafluoroethylene. Developed in the 1960s for improved penetration against hard targets, the product was discontinued in the 1990s.

“After the Sandy Hook tragedy, ammunition supply decreased dramatically,” said Enrique A. DeJesus, who is a U.S. Air Force veteran and avid sportsman from Rotterdam, N.Y.

Prices for ammunition have gone up considerably and major stores are rationing supplies, he said. “Wal-Mart in Albany County is now limiting purchases to three boxes per customer.”

“I prefer to support my local gun store American Shooter Supply before looking elsewhere, but the situation is basically the same wherever you go,” he said.

To accommodate its customers, ASS has introduced a service where customers can sign up and are notified via text or phone when ammunition has arrived, he said. “It is their way of being customer-focused and doing their best to deliver ammunition in the current anti-gun climate.”

DeJesus, who studied political science with an emphasis in law at New Paltz University, said there is a small group of ammunition buyers who are capitalizing off the government’s ammo-grab. “They are purchasing bulk quantities and re-selling at a marked-up price, essentially price gouging.”

Price gouging is when a seller prices goods much higher than what is considered reasonable or fair. “As a result, firearms enthusiasts have to decide whether those high prices are worth it,” he said.

“While defensive ammunition is readily available versus the scarcity of target ammunition, it is more expensive and contains hollow points which expand upon entry and are not ideal for training purposes,” he said.

“Target or ball ammunition contains a solid projectile which does not expand upon entry and is better suited for training. Currently these are the hardest to find,” he said.

DeJesus said that the exercise of our Second Amendment right has been temporarily neutered because of an artificial ammunition shortage.

Nonetheless, all guns are lethal, he said. “People ought to be involved in some type of continual training to maintain proficiency and readiness, since it is a perishable skill.”

“As a responsible and lawful gun owner, safety is paramount when handling firearms of any kind, but politicians and officials in Washington D.C. should not be in the business of determining which ammunition I train with,” he said.

“It is disconcerting to know that the federal government wants to keep ammunition out of the hands of law abiding civilians.” said the International Defensive Pistol Association member. IDPA is a shooting sport that teaches members how to effectively respond in self defense scenarios and real life encounters.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who has been in office since 2009, is funded by congress without accountability and oversight, DeJesus said. “Napolitano has a standing open order for more ammunition, but no one knows why.”

“If DHS can have ammunition, why can’t we?” he asked.

The National Rifle Association member said it is no shock that officials are attempting to subvert the sale of ammunition. “A gun is just a paper weight without an ammunition supply.”


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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
What costs more lead or steel? What ammo is bought by the feds besides 9mm and .45 ACP for sidearms, 12 guage for shotguns, amd 5.56mm and 7.62mm for rifles?
1 posted on 06/23/2013 11:22:12 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

“Napolitano has a standing open order for more ammunition, but no one knows why.”

“If DHS can have ammunition, why can’t we?” he asked.””

Good questions!


2 posted on 06/23/2013 11:27:51 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: neverdem

I think a lot of TLA’s use .40 cal.


3 posted on 06/23/2013 11:57:42 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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4 posted on 06/24/2013 12:04:23 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: neverdem
What ammo is bought by the feds besides 9mm and .45 ACP for sidearms

.40 cal for all the SWAT/FBI/NSA//and other alphabet soup paramilitary forces employed by the gubmint.

5 posted on 06/24/2013 12:04:57 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: neverdem
Have you tried to find any .22LR lately? As in the last 7 months? I heard stories about gougers buying by the pallet, but every true live dealer I've talked to told me the customers bought as usual, but the supply was cut off. Gun stores open for 40 years get 2 or 3 bricks of .22LR per month. That is if they order from several wholesalers and keep those orders active at all times.

Dealers tell me they have never seen anything like this in 20, 30, or 40 years depending how long they have been open.

Does anyone have any ideas what causes the most common and cheap ammo to dry up as it has if the government isn't behind it?

6 posted on 06/24/2013 12:14:09 AM PDT by Wingy
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To: Still Thinking

What’s the TLA?


7 posted on 06/24/2013 12:30:08 AM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Wingy

I’ve been buying or trying to buy 22 LR for the last 6 months in earnest. As the first few months went on, customers were lined up in Walmart on Thursday and Saturday mornings 6-10 deep waiting on the employees to put out 22 LR or 9mm (their two most scarce calibers).

In the last 6-8 weeks, WM has been getting in more regular supplies of 22 LR in my town as well as 9mm....sometimes even what they put out lasts the whole day they put it out, and once in a while it is there the day after.

They are regularly putting out .223 and 5.56, 45 ACP, 40 S&W (even 380 and 32 ACP once a month)....I’ve also bought a few hundred rounds of 357 magnum...

The most scarce round I see right now at WM and other places is 22 Magnum Rimfire.....


8 posted on 06/24/2013 2:48:10 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: neverdem

In a post-apocalyptic world small arms ammo will be the new currency.


9 posted on 06/24/2013 2:54:57 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Wingy

I agree with you, I’ve asked around when I do go out. 22LR is rarely available. One guy I know said that right now .45 costs just about as much as 22 LR per round. And according to articles I’ve read the manufacturers of 22 LR are making it as fast as they can.

So where is the choke point? I don’t know, but I’m sure somebody does.


10 posted on 06/24/2013 3:16:00 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: neverdem

Obama is planning something, and his DH-Stapo are preparing for it.


11 posted on 06/24/2013 3:26:39 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: neverdem

On Remington’s FB page they deny that the government is buying up all the ammo. They are dead wrong and are trying to shield themselves because they made a deal with the government to stay in NY.


12 posted on 06/24/2013 3:53:59 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: Gaffer

I would test fire randomly any ammo that is purchased recently or in the future.

Just have a bad feeling about all of this and one way to screw us would be to buy up all the “good” ammo and somehow mess up the new ammo. So when the SHTF, we are all having problems with jamming weapons etc.

However if SHTF there will be a lot of government caliber bullets to be had, probably more than you can carry as the day goes on.


13 posted on 06/24/2013 3:59:03 AM PDT by BookaT
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To: Wingy
Ammo. I know ammo, been shooting for over 40 years. Just last week I saw the first box of .22LR at Walmart in 6 months. It was one single little 50 rd. box of Winchester priced at $3.50. I was amazed to see it. I already have 5000 rds of .22 I bought years ago, so let that poor little box pass at that price. It was gone the next day. Again last week WM had ten boxes of Federal .45acp Ball at $20 per box. I might have bought two, but was cash poor that day. The next day, all gone again. The lack of .22 LR is the most amazing thing. I call the “we are making it as fast as we can” story as Bull-S&%t. No way could full production of .22 not showing up on shelves. There is a rat in the woodpile.
14 posted on 06/24/2013 4:11:29 AM PDT by Lockbar (The guy that fires the last bullet gets to write the history books,)
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To: Wingy
Dealers tell me they have never seen anything like this in 20, 30, or 40 years depending how long they have been open.

Well duh! Dealers will also tell you that thanks to Odumbo, they have sold more firearms in the last year than at any time in 20, 30, or 40 years depending how long they have been open. People who buy guns also want to buy ammo. Make sense?

15 posted on 06/24/2013 4:17:15 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: neverdem
What’s the TLA?

Three Letter Agencies (NSA, CIA, DIA, FBI, etc.)

16 posted on 06/24/2013 4:27:52 AM PDT by Wingy
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To: Labyrinthos
Well duh! Dealers will also tell you that thanks to Odumbo, they have sold more firearms in the last year than at any time in 20, 30, or 40 years depending how long they have been open. People who buy guns also want to buy ammo. Make sense?

Well, no. Five years ago, a gun shop would put in an order for ammo and have it filled in full within 10 days. Now unless there has been an explosion in the number of gun shops, (There hasn't) those dealers should be able to get resupplied in regular time frames, but that's not happening. These well established dealers are not selling more ammo, but less due to lack of supply. And the manufacturers swear that they are running three shifts, flat out. Something that they were not doing before, so where is all the ammo going? Now I can understand 9mm, .40sw, .45 acp, .223, and the like being scarce with the DHS purchases, but where is the .22lr?

17 posted on 06/24/2013 4:43:17 AM PDT by Wingy
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To: neverdem

Every gunner I know has anticipated this by stockpiling mass quantities.


18 posted on 06/24/2013 4:43:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: neverdem

Bet he avoids this ammo.


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19 posted on 06/24/2013 5:20:23 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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20 posted on 06/24/2013 5:21:48 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Wingy

Some recent news stories say DHS has also requested 22LR, .410, 45 Long Colt, and several other cartridges that have less than zero law enforcement or security usage. So that’s where 22LR has gone.


21 posted on 06/24/2013 5:34:42 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: Wingy; Lockbar
I have no doubt that the Obama regime has put the word out, however tacitly yet clearly, that federal agencies should take whatever steps necessary to impinge upon the second amendment. These steps include:

1)Intimidating anyone who deals with the manufacture and sale of firearms, ammunition, and firearms related industries. Just look at what Obama-friendly businesses have done, such as GE Capital denying credit to gun stores. Or Bank of America refusing to do business with gun manufacturers.

2)DHS and other agencies buying up all ammo designed to create commercial shortages.

3) The destruction of once-fired military brass rather than selling it through auction as has been custom.

4) Putting out the word to political aspirants (Cuomo, Hickenlooper, etc.) that passing gun control legislation will earn you national political points allowing you career advancement.

Having said all this, also part of the problem is people buying up ammo with reckless abandon. They are piling it high and stacking it deep. This is creating shortages. Unless .22 manufacturers are lying about full production, there is no other explanation for .22 shortages other than people are hoarding the stuff and this is adding to the sense of shortage, which is leading to the sense of fear, which is leading to people hoarding even more.

22 posted on 06/24/2013 5:41:06 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

What sources have you seen stating that DHS or other agencies are purchasing .22LR?


23 posted on 06/24/2013 5:43:48 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: Obadiah
DHS Buying More Ammo: Lots of Non-Military Calibers
24 posted on 06/24/2013 5:51:28 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: Obadiah; Wingy; Lockbar; The Working Man

there is no other explanation for .22 shortages other than people are hoarding the stuff
and this is adding to the sense of shortage,
which is leading to the sense of fear,
which is leading to people hoarding even more.

25 posted on 06/24/2013 5:52:48 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Thane_Banquo; Obadiah

TB, thank you for the link.

I’m reading the bidding data, and I’m not sure I’m reading it right.

Does it say that the PO is asking for 91,680 rounds of all types/calibers?


26 posted on 06/24/2013 6:09:15 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Thanks.


27 posted on 06/24/2013 6:32:29 AM PDT by Obadiah (Inside of every Liberal beats the heart of a fascist yearning to reveal their true nature.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Obama is planning something,

Junior. We should call him JUNIOR . It fits.

28 posted on 06/24/2013 7:02:33 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The monsters are due on Maple Street)
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To: neverdem

Whistle blowers now have their next assignment: the location of those stored fed bullets.

Just make it very pubic.


29 posted on 06/24/2013 7:14:26 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: bronxville

The real question is finding out where the govt. is storing all this ammo so we know where to find it when all hell breaks loose........


30 posted on 06/24/2013 7:18:32 AM PDT by Stayfree (If it is left, then it can't be right!)
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To: neverdem

Three Letter Agencies.


31 posted on 06/24/2013 7:29:29 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: The Working Man

I do not get why you guys think 22LR is hard to find. It is all over the web. And since it is hard to find you should be willing to pay more to at least ensure you have wht you think you need. Gunbot shows plenty of 22LR and other calibers.


32 posted on 06/24/2013 7:37:26 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: BookaT

I have been shooting the ammo, some of it anyway...can’t see any difference as yet.

However, I did get a box of Winchester 22 LR 36 grain/1280fps in 333 round box where the casings look very very dirty like they skipped a step. Could be the lead rubbing off from the loose packed 333 rds, but still very dirty.... I think QC was off on that lot of production.


33 posted on 06/24/2013 7:39:51 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


34 posted on 06/24/2013 7:57:47 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Amen, and I have made sure that I purchased conversion kits for my rifle and handguns so that if I ran out of one, I could fall back to the other. Thinking about a Glock now, as I’ve heard you could get a .22 conversion kit for some of them...


35 posted on 06/24/2013 7:59:57 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: Wingy

In the sandbox we were told to call them OGA -

Other
Governmental
Agencies


36 posted on 06/24/2013 8:57:31 AM PDT by NorthernTraveler
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To: neverdem

TLA - Three Letter Acronym.


37 posted on 06/24/2013 9:39:01 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Stayfree
If I were to hazard a guess, I’d say it’s being redistributed among certain “friends” of the regime. There's simply no other explanation as to why a serving cabinet secretary would refuse to answer a congressional inquiry in the matter, and not be charged with contempt of congress.

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38 posted on 06/24/2013 11:10:09 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: neverdem

4 million rds seems like a very small amt.


39 posted on 06/24/2013 12:46:08 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45; All
There's simply no other explanation as to why a serving cabinet secretary would refuse to answer a congressional inquiry in the matter, and not be charged with contempt of congress.

Plenty of other explanations. One is that you think Congress has the real power, when the real power is in the MSM.

If the MSM treated the Obama regime the same way they treated G.W. Bush, he would long ago have been impeached, convicted, and gone.

The shortage of ammunition is simple to understand. There are many millions of new shooters. A large number of gun owners want to stockpile ammunition, so those who would have bought a 50 round box once a year now want a case of 5,000 rounds, just as insurance.

The production plants cannot meet that runup in demand overnight. It looks like they are finally starting to saturate the new state of the market.

If the current regime doesn't do anything more to make people worried about potential unrest, future inflation, or a rogue president destroying their Constitutional rights, I expect the ammo shortage to be over in six months.

40 posted on 06/24/2013 3:16:07 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: neverdem

This borders on treason.


41 posted on 06/24/2013 3:55:20 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: neverdem

I thought Congress passed something denying DHS the $ to buy any more ammo.


42 posted on 06/24/2013 9:37:25 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: neverdem
What ammo is bought by the feds besides 9mm and .45 ACP for sidearms, 12 guage for shotguns, amd 5.56mm and 7.62mm for rifles?

They use more .40 S&W than .45 ACP. They also probably use a few other high powered rifle rounds, like .338 Lapula, .50 BMG, and others, as specialized sniper rounds.

43 posted on 06/25/2013 9:43:35 PM PDT by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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