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Snowdens plane leaves Moscow, NSA leaker not seen aboard
rt ^ | 6/24 | rt

Posted on 06/24/2013 3:50:13 AM PDT by RummyChick

Ex-CIA contractor, Edward Snowden’s plane to Cuba will pass through US airspace, an Interfax source reports. Washington has an extradition notice against Snowden on charges of espionage and could intervene if the plane enters US jurisdiction.

Aeroflot flight SU150, leaves Moscow at 14:04 local time (11:04 GMT) and will fly through US airspace a couple of kilometers from the coast of New York on its way to Havana, reported Russian news agency Interfax, citing a source in Sheremetevo airport air traffic control. Snowden has checked in for the flight and there are two seats under his name (17A and 17C), reports the Associated Press, citing Aeroflot. The plane has finished boarding and Snowden has not been seen on board.

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OVER 30 JOURNALISTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD BOUGHT TICKET *MOSCOW - HAVANA* TO TAKE PICTURE OF THE EMPTY SEAT. GREAT

1 posted on 06/24/2013 3:50:13 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Heh. If he’s smart, and if WikiLeaks is working with him, they’d charter a jet to wherever he’s planning on going.

I don’t think Ecuador has made a final decision on whether or not to grant him asylum, as per his request, so he may stay put for awhile until that decision is made one way or another.


2 posted on 06/24/2013 3:53:09 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: RummyChick

A so-far successful attempt by the State-Run Media and Obama to make Snowden the story, instead of NSA’s spying on US citizens.


3 posted on 06/24/2013 3:53:31 AM PDT by abb
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/the-edward-snowden-drama-has-reached-peak-action-movie-20130623

John McCain ✔ @SenJohnMcCain Isn't it about time for the US to take a more realistic approach to #Russia &sia #China?
4 posted on 06/24/2013 3:54:28 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

> Washington has an extradition notice against Snowden on
> charges of espionage

Meanwhile, Moscow has had a warrant for the arrest of George Soros for currency manipulation since 2005.

I wonder if they can work out a deal.

Nah.

Barry would never give Georgie Porgie over to the Russians for a pipsqueak like Snowden, even if it was for purported security of the U.S.


5 posted on 06/24/2013 3:54:33 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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Does Edward Snowden’s Flight From Hong Kong Make Him A Defector? Asylum Seeker? Fugitive Whistleblower?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcquaid/2013/06/23/does-edward-snowdens-flight-from-hong-kong-make-him-a-defector-asylum-seeker-fugitive-whistleblower/?utm_campaign=techtwittersf&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social


6 posted on 06/24/2013 3:56:22 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I have a feeling this whole thing with Snowden is just another manufactured distraction while our Senators sell out the country to a foreign invasion. Drudge is the only one who has the sell out on his headlines, every other paper is Snowden or the Wallenda tightrope walk.


7 posted on 06/24/2013 3:57:00 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: RummyChick

The Kremlin said Monday that it won’t intervene in the case of former U.S. government contractor Edward Snowden and that Russia had no advance knowledge of his arrival from Hong Kong on Sunday.

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A picture of Edward Snowden on a Chinese news website in Beijing.

President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that a decision about holding Mr. Snowden and sending him back to the U.S. to face charges wasn’t a matter for the Kremlin.

“It is not a question for us,” Mr. Peskov told The Wall Street Journal. “We don’t know what his plans are and we were unaware he was coming here.”

Russian state media, citing an official in the government’s security apparatus, said authorities have no legal grounds to detain and send Mr. Snowden back to the U.S.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324183204578564843608325184.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories


8 posted on 06/24/2013 3:58:12 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

They sure do go out to get you when you upset an Obama apple cart.

You would think he was public enemy number one instead of a guy who saw a wrong being done and blew the whistle.


9 posted on 06/24/2013 3:58:13 AM PDT by Venturer
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-says-it-has-no-authority-to-expel-snowden/2013/06/24/325281f2-dcaf-11e2-bd83-e99e43c336ed_story.html

Russia says it has no authority to expel Snowden; Kerry: ‘deeply troubling’

By Kathy Lally, Anthony Faiola and Jia Lynn Yang, Updated: Monday, June 24, 6:55 AM E-mail the writers

MOSCOW — Despite a direct request from the United States to return Edward Snowden to U.S. soil to face charges of leaking government secrets, Russian officials said Monday that they had no legal authority to detain the fugitive former government contractor, who arrived in Moscow on Sunday and was seeking asylum in Ecuador, reportedly by way of Havana.

News services said Snowden was expected to board an Aeroflot flight to Havana, scheduled to depart Moscow’s Sheremetyevo Airport at 6:05 a.m. Eastern time Monday. But reporters on board the flight said on Twitter that he had not been spotted among the passengers.

“They’ve just locked the doors of the plane, #Snowden is NOT on this plane!!!” tweeted Egor Piskunov, a reporter with Russia’s government-financed RT. It was still possible, however, that Snowden was on board but out of sight of the journalists, or wearing a disguise.

Vladimir Lukin, Russia’s human rights ombudsman and a former ambassador to the United States, told the Interfax news agency that Russia had no authority to expel Snowden, as Washington was asking it to do. Russian officials said travelers who never leave a secure transit zone inside an airport -—which means not crossing passport control—are not officially on Russian soil. Snowden did not have a Russia visa, several officials said, and therefore could not leave the transit zone.

In addition, Russia and the United States do not have an extradition treaty.

“The Americans can’t demand anything,” Lukin said, referring to the international saga dismissively. “Detective stories are good bedtime reading.”


10 posted on 06/24/2013 4:00:43 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Venturer

My colleague Miriam Elder didn’t manage to get on that plane to Cuba – but she’s very glad, since it seems Edward Snowden never got on it either. I just spoke to her.

She said Aeroflot officials had told her “with a little smirk” that they had been expecting Snowden too.

But Miriam pointed out that Snowden had never actually been sighted in Moscow, and there was actually no real evidence that he had ever been in Russia at all.

Meanwhile a planeload of journalists are now off to spend the day in Cuba …

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/24/edward-snowden-booked-on-plane-from-moscow-to-havana-live-coverage


11 posted on 06/24/2013 4:01:44 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

The CIA know where he is...


12 posted on 06/24/2013 4:05:14 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: Westbrook

I’m willing to sacrifice Snowden to see Soros get arrested. Putin should send those extradition papers to the White House right now.


13 posted on 06/24/2013 4:05:50 AM PDT by TexGrill (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: bronxville

ian bremmer @ianbremmer

The most famous empty chair since Eastwood’s. #Snowden pic.twitter.com/wrPjAKdbHz


14 posted on 06/24/2013 4:06:07 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

I think this was all a wild-goose hunt....he ends up in Iceland no matter what happens. There’s daily flights out of Saint Petersburg to Iceland via Icelandic Air.


15 posted on 06/24/2013 4:06:39 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: bronxville

He may not even be in Russia. No one has actually spotted him according to The Guardian.


16 posted on 06/24/2013 4:08:03 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: abb

Times are so crazy you cant tell fact from fiction anymore. First pork laced ammo this morning now this...


17 posted on 06/24/2013 4:09:08 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

I’m with you on that - meanwhile they’re about to Balkanize this country while we’re following some ideological, gullible, self-aggrandizing yute whose being manipulated by those he’s always wanted to impress.

He had a choice to stay anonymous but his ego got in the way.


18 posted on 06/24/2013 4:09:19 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: bronxville

Former CIA officer and whistleblower Edward Snowden can board the next Moscow-Havana flight, said a source familiar with the situation.

“He’s probably got another ticket also through Cuba, as there are no direct flights from Moscow to Caracas or Quito. In the meanwhile Snowden can remain in the transit area for however long he wishes,” - said the source.

Voice of Russia, Interfax

http://english.ruvr.ru/news/2013_06_24/Snowden-likely-to-board-next-Moscow-Havana-flight-5521/

He could be like Tom Hanks in that movie about the guy who stayed in the airport for a long time ..


19 posted on 06/24/2013 4:12:05 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

He should head for New Jersey. I understand they have no extradition agreements with the United States.


20 posted on 06/24/2013 4:12:45 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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Snowden, U.S. engaged in intercontinental game of cat-and-mouse

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/nsa-leak/index.html?sr=sharebar_twitter


21 posted on 06/24/2013 4:15:36 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Snowden’s song including the intro by Warren Zevon

Lawyers Guns and Money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5puAN1PGQw


22 posted on 06/24/2013 4:18:03 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I think he’s probably still working for the CIA else why didn’t he remain anon? He’s got the profile of one whose easily manipulated - self-important-narcissistic - the CIA love them plus he’ll get to keep his $200,000/yr with a few added bonus’.


23 posted on 06/24/2013 4:19:28 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: RummyChick

Wouldn’t it be great if these Journalists spent as much time and money looking into Obama’s past?


24 posted on 06/24/2013 4:20:25 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: abb
A so-far successful attempt by the State-Run Media and Obama to make Snowden the story, instead of NSA’s spying on US citizens.

Pathetic, isn't it? The story of the US government spying on innocent citizens in ways only imagined during the Bush years has been knocked from the headlines while the Lame Stream Media slobbers all over itself to cover this snowden kook. I can't say I'm surprised, though. The public by and large is fairly gullible and all too easily manipulated, characteristics necessary if it is to be dominated by a 2-bit hustler like Barry Hussein.

25 posted on 06/24/2013 4:21:46 AM PDT by South40
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To: bronxville

I don’t believe he outed himself just because of ego.

Something else is afoot.


26 posted on 06/24/2013 4:22:11 AM PDT by RummyChick
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“He could be like Tom Hanks in that movie about the guy who stayed in the airport for a long time”

Now that’s funny. :)


27 posted on 06/24/2013 4:22:16 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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I would laugh if it stopped in Kenya first....to stick it further to Obama..

The idea that he has some big secrets...The secrets are that we spy on Russia, China, and every damn country.....just like Russia and China and etc etc etc.

Where's the backlash....I'm almost thinking that perhaps there is proof that we DELIBERATELY left the Boston Bombers alone because they were Muslim refugees and we didn't want Russia telling us what to do.

28 posted on 06/24/2013 4:22:20 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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OVER 30 JOURNALISTS FROM AROUND THE WORLD BOUGHT TICKET *MOSCOW - HAVANA* TO TAKE PICTURE OF THE EMPTY SEAT. GREAT

Another 100 passengers on the flight are probably NSA and CIA agents. But best of all, the Moscow-Havana flight is 12 1/2 hours long, and doesn't serve any alcohol!

29 posted on 06/24/2013 4:23:05 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: RummyChick

This is like the old movie “White Night”, American style.


30 posted on 06/24/2013 4:24:02 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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Amie Ferris-Rotman ‏@Amie_FR 2m More trips likely slashed MT @sdonnan #Snowden shambles(Didn't get on plane but hacks did)foreign eds'nightmare.How 2explain 2 beancounters!
31 posted on 06/24/2013 4:24:22 AM PDT by RummyChick
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I just read that too! So many “what if”’s .

This is unbelievable.


32 posted on 06/24/2013 4:25:15 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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Jesse Smith ‏@SFTovarishch 51s The Moscow->Cuba flight could be grounded by USAF interceptors when it crosses into US airspace. #Snowden #WhereAreTheSnowdensOfYesteryear
33 posted on 06/24/2013 4:25:25 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Jesse Smith ‏@SFTovarishch 51s The Moscow->Cuba flight could be grounded by USAF interceptors when it crosses into US airspace. #Snowden #WhereAreTheSnowdensOfYesteryear
34 posted on 06/24/2013 4:26:49 AM PDT by RummyChick
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I agree....He found something...And we know what it is....My guess is that we have a hit out on him.

Someone said he gave his computer motherload to China before he left. I believe it's someplace else. Russia is much more likely.

35 posted on 06/24/2013 4:30:41 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/24/edward-snowden-booked-on-plane-from-moscow-to-havana-live-coverage?CMP=twt_gu

“How do we know Snowden was ever in Russia?

Hong Kong’s original statement yesterday saying Edward Snowden had left the Chinese territory made no mention of Russia, saying only that he had gone to a “third country”:

Mr Edward Snowden left Hong Kong today [June 23] of his own accord for a third country through a lawful and normal channel.

The US government earlier on made a request to the HKSAR [Hong Kong special administrative region] government for the issue of a provisional warrant of arrest against Mr Snowden. Since the documents provided by the US government did not fully comply with the legal requirements under Hong Kong law, the HKSAR government has requested the US government to provide additional information so that the Department of Justice could consider whether the US government’s request can meet the relevant legal conditions.

As the HKSAR government has yet to have sufficient information to process the request for provisional warrant of arrest, there is no legal basis to restrict Mr Snowden from leaving Hong Kong. The HKSAR government has already informed the US government of Mr Snowden’s departure.

Wikileaks, which says it has been assisting Snowden, and Aeroflot sources speaking to various news organisations both said he was going to Russia.

But no Russian officials ever confirmed he has arrived. Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told the Guardian yesterday: “I don’t [know if he’s planning to stay in Moscow]. I heard about his potential arrival from the press. I know nothing.”

Russian security personnel certainly swarmed around Sheremetyevo airport, and the Ecuadorian ambassador Patricio Chavez also turned up – asking “Do you know where he is? Is he coming here?”

Russian news agency Interfax also reported that a Venezuelan diplomat picked Snowden up when he arrived.

Aeroflot told the Associated Press this morning that he was registered for the Havana flight that left half an hour ago.


36 posted on 06/24/2013 4:30:52 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Sacajaweau

The Guardian keeps pushing the idea that he might not even be in Russia.


37 posted on 06/24/2013 4:31:48 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Tim Marshall Tim Marshall ‏@Skytwitius 50s Dunno how much this adds but....Snowden has likely 'already left Russia': source tells Interfax, says AFP, reads Skytwitius.
38 posted on 06/24/2013 4:32:54 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Miriam Elder sends more from Interfax and its “source familiar with Snowden’s situation”:

Snowden is probably already outside the Russian Federation. He could have flown on a different place. It is unlikely journalists could become witnesses to his flight.


39 posted on 06/24/2013 4:35:09 AM PDT by RummyChick
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Yes, I think it might be Nationalization kinda like National Socialism that they have in Europe. So a takeover of the NSA and it’s affiliates which would include the lucrative private contractors (some of which are already in tandem with the government or rather vice versa) might be in the works. They’re standardizing the globe one step at a time, for example, Socialized Medicine like the UK. The immigration deal is also important perhaps an effort to Balkanize us like Clinton et al did in Yugoslavia and they’re going to do in the ME - easier to control. I don’t think fusing N America w/ S America is the end plan.


40 posted on 06/24/2013 4:36:46 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: RummyChick

I think he left the Moscow plane in that refrigerator trailer that pulled up to the rear of the plane. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s still in Russian hands. And if we don’t hear from him in a few days, well, we won’t.


41 posted on 06/24/2013 5:01:37 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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Yes plus this whole thing just doesn't jibe with me: The NSA is spying on phone calls? Yeah, and? And I also heard the sky is blue. I tell people, go to your local welfare office and see for yourself how many illegals are STEALING your tax dollars! THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE HERE! End of story! There is no argument, there is no "amnesty" either they follow the law or the GET THE F OUT! But nooooo, because these subhuman pieces of pig vomit in Congress once again put themselves above the people, they are selling out the country, selling out me, you and all that tax money they steal from us every tax day in a pathetic attempt for votes. I had to pay $5000 freakin' bucks April 15th, and everyday I drive past the food stamp/welfare office at 32-00 Northern blvd here in Queens New York city and every day it's just one loooong line of illegals. How do I know they are illegals? I ASKED them! And we think these pimps in congress are going to "secure the border" after telling illegals "come on in and get the free money!"?? Baaaloney! We are bowing down to the effers!

I never thought I would see the day where I would agree with the Russians, but that day has come....


42 posted on 06/24/2013 5:07:20 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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Good point. It could be a distraction for the scandals that face this administration. And it is working, look at how much attention it is getting. Reporters know what flight he is going to be on BEFORE it takes off. ORCHESTRATED!

We are like that dog in the movie UP - riddled with A.D.D.


43 posted on 06/24/2013 5:10:31 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I wish people would get their heads out of their butts and their noses out of everyones business)
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To: abb

Could it be, the US is afraid that he may have recordings of calls and messages of the back and forth during the Benghazi fiasco and more info regarding IRS communications from high ranking government officials.


44 posted on 06/24/2013 5:10:47 AM PDT by 99tango
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Truth.


45 posted on 06/24/2013 5:13:35 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: bronxville

possible , If the government doesn’t blow his cover.


46 posted on 06/24/2013 5:17:08 AM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: Cyclone59

Further, I find it very interesting that the media can pin-point this pipsqueak at any time, but they can’t find ANYTHING out about Obama - birth certificate, citizenship doco, ANY school records, nobody who remembers him from school, claims of creating the most transparent administration ever, all bills will be put on CSPAN and debated. AMAZING


47 posted on 06/24/2013 5:17:28 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I wish people would get their heads out of their butts and their noses out of everyones business)
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To: 99tango

So far I’m thinking he hasn’t given us anything new per se for all the fuss there is about him. A full Benghazi or/and an IRS expose would make me change my mind about him and prove he’s really for the people but I can’t see that happening. He donated 500 bucks to Ron Paul - why didn’t he give the information to him?

It’s certainly a very stressful living here at this moment in time and a pox on the government for that as their only job is to keep us safe and everying else on an even keel so we can pursue happiness.


48 posted on 06/24/2013 5:57:55 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

You’re talking about LIC? I used to live around there until they started to urinate in the elevators. Today it looks like an area in the third world. I’ve been paying off taxes for over a year including interest and penalties so know where you’re coming from...these IRS people dancing and prancing on my dollar didn’t help either. Just wait until this obamacare kicks in...


49 posted on 06/24/2013 6:05:58 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: bronxville

As for Russia it looks like Freedom House has them in their sight which means their “revolution” is in the horizon...
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/russia/130618/civil-society-democracy-eurasia-russia-freedom-house


50 posted on 06/24/2013 6:11:54 AM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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