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Listen, Pilgrim, Maybe It Should Be Called Harwich Rock
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 6-24-13 | Peter Evans

Posted on 06/24/2013 6:29:03 AM PDT by Pharmboy

Another English Town Tries to Claim the Mayflower, and Tourism, From Plymouth

HARWICH, England—A disagreement between two sleepy English seaside towns could make a splash across the Atlantic: by forcing a rewrite of American history.

For 393 years, the southwest England town of Plymouth has been celebrated as the last port of call of the Mayflower before the ship carried the first Pilgrim settlers to what was to become the United States of America. But that is only part of the story.

Plymouth's fame has come at the expense of this tiny town to the northeast of London. The reason: The Mayflower was built and originally set sail from here before making an unscheduled stop at Plymouth. Now, after nearly four centuries, Harwich wants a slice of the historical action. It is building a $3.3 million replica of the Mayflower to send back across the Atlantic.

The project, spearheaded by retired oil executive Andrew March, is part of Harwich's campaign to reclaim its lost heritage by 2020, the 400th anniversary of the Mayflower's original journey. Using 400 tons of English oak and an army of young shipbuilders, Mr. March hopes to launch Harwich, pop. 15,000, onto the world stage.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Massachusetts; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: mayflower; pilgrims
"Plymouth was just a stop-off..."

Just terrific history here...do not miss the video at the site that includes the Plymouth Steps and what the English locals are saying.

This is a free article from the Journal.

1 posted on 06/24/2013 6:29:03 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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Begging the captain's pardon for the ping JimRob, but I thought you might like to see this one.

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2 posted on 06/24/2013 6:33:25 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy
Smoke n' mirrors (sort of ...)

If the town in Massachusetts is named Plymouth ... IT WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE ON THE SHIP THAT COINED THE NAME.

Perhaps it was Captain Jones himself, maybe feeling a little miffed about a missed paycheck, that said .. screw you .. I'LL name it PLYMOUTH !

Wikki is blaming John Smith.

3 posted on 06/24/2013 6:43:39 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: knarf

True enough...but the backstory of Harwich is pretty interesting, and something I knew NOTHING about. They deserve a bit of due, IMHO...


4 posted on 06/24/2013 6:46:39 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Pharmboy

I agree ... THIS native Bostonian NEVER heard or Harwich.


5 posted on 06/24/2013 6:50:24 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Pharmboy

Perhaps they could get a piece of wood from the ORIGINAL MAYFLOWER, which I understand was eventually decommissioned and the wood was used to build a house, that is still standing today.....


6 posted on 06/24/2013 6:50:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: knarf

....Or he was a MOPAR guy and not a Ford or Chevy guy.................


7 posted on 06/24/2013 6:51:28 AM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: Pharmboy

James Fort was established in 1607, and was the destination for a number of ships in the years leading up to 1620, the year the Mayflower sailed. So, what difference does it make from whence Mayflower sailed, she was a latecomer.


8 posted on 06/24/2013 6:53:22 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: knarf

I can’t imagine someone from Massachusetts who has never heard of Harwich. Have you never been to the Cape? ;-)

Harwich is a beautiful town. Good seafood. But then, just about all of Cape Cod has good seafood. (Tourism PSA)


9 posted on 06/24/2013 6:54:42 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Pharmboy

Pure guesswork on my part — but there’s a Harwich on Cape Cod... and didn’t the Mayflower stop on the Cape first before going on. So maybe they named the first stop Harwich and the second Plymouth. Just speculating.


10 posted on 06/24/2013 6:58:20 AM PDT by jim macomber ("Bargained for Exchange" "Art & Part" "A Grave Breach" "Sovereign Order " - www.jamesmacomber.com)
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To: ladyjane
Yeah .. but not Harwich, England and THIS bit of trivia.

Lobster Neuburgh is my favorite

11 posted on 06/24/2013 6:58:57 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Oh - okay.

So how is the weather there? Has the ice melted yet? ;-)


12 posted on 06/24/2013 7:06:57 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: ladyjane
Transplanted to SW Pa in '80

We're eating peas, carrots, got my first pepper, and broccoli from my exploded (this year, anyway) garden.

All I did last year different was top dress with a couple of loads of wet, smelly cow manure, and my garden is fantastic so far.

13 posted on 06/24/2013 7:21:33 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: knarf
THIS native Bostonian NEVER heard or Harwich

Cause it's pronounced, HAHwitch. It's on the Upper Cape, between Dennis and Chatham.

14 posted on 06/24/2013 7:30:17 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: knarf

Lucky you. The darn deer got into the garden again!! Double fence, electric wire, electric tape, peanut butter on hot aluminum foil, you name it. Fifty feet of peas neatly chewed off at the top.


15 posted on 06/24/2013 7:32:31 AM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Pharmboy
Just to make it more interesting...The PLIMOTH PLANTATION is a great tourist attraction in Plymouth Mass. Yes, the spelling is correct.

Good educational programs for children and adults. Actors at the Plantation stay in character no matter how hard one tries to draw them out to their 'future'.

16 posted on 06/24/2013 7:38:12 AM PDT by codder too
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To: Pharmboy

didn’t they stopover in france or denmark before the crossing? something about picking up some exiles?


17 posted on 06/24/2013 7:43:09 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: camle

I believe you may be thinking of their self-imposed exile to Leiden, Holland.


18 posted on 06/24/2013 7:47:12 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Hahwich on th' uppah cape ...

Yeah, I know.

/8^)

19 posted on 06/24/2013 7:48:38 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Pharmboy

Well, neither Plymouth was the intended destination ...


20 posted on 06/24/2013 8:15:45 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: centurion316
James Fort was established in 1607...

Indeed! or some reason, the late coming Plimouth Colony contracted with a better PR firm than earlier Jamestowne. Perhaps if the VA settlers had worn funny hats...

21 posted on 06/24/2013 8:42:48 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: jim macomber

The first stop was near what is now Provincetown (aka P-town), on the very tip of Cape Cod, which has long been an artsy tourist hang out, and has acquired a reputation as a gay Mecca. Plymouth was more sheltered, and probably had better access to fresh water.


22 posted on 06/24/2013 10:01:25 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Doing the same thing and expecting different results is called software engineering.)
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To: knarf; Pharmboy

Harwich is on Cape Cod.


23 posted on 06/24/2013 12:22:50 PM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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