Skip to comments.Is NSA An Affront To The Constitution And Our Republic?
Posted on 06/24/2013 7:44:11 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
The big lie is that the National Security Agency (NSA) could have prevented 9/11 hence the need for its expanded powers. This agency in some form has been in the spying business since 1949 and it didnt prevent that nor were they identifiers for the recent Boston Marathon bombers whom even the Russians had warned a security threat. They did however do a good job of scanning for the bombers once the deed was done.
In 1949 the predecessor of NSA, the Armed Forces Security Agency was established as a cryptologic (decipherer of communications) intelligence body. The activities of NSA surreptitiously being exposed clearly are a violation of the 4th amendment to the US Constitution which reads:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be sized.
Solutions to this arent complex.
NSA Directors cannot be allowed to be simply Presidential Appointments without approval of the US Congress (both houses).
NSA and its activities must be scrutinized and overseen by members of Congress (both Houses).
The Patriot Act must be reviewed for renewal every five years not ten or more as is the current policy.
Release and breaches of NSA materials secured without authorization of the US Congress shall put violators at risk for trials in special judicial courts for treason.
Stop the sharing of personal medical information through electronic surveillance under Obamacare.
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Why do we have a CIA and an NSA in the first place? Heck, just look at all the different federal law enforcement and security agencies their are.
This administration’s ABUSE of NSA capability is the “affront” to the Constitution!
I’m actually more concerned about misuse by some future, truely evil, power wielder.
The good old boy club has it’s own ideas and we the people are not part of it.
Note last 4 1/2 years.
What exactly did the NSA do which was not authorized by the Senate and House in flexibly worded legislation and signed by the President into law?
“truly evil”.....uh...he is here NOW!
Open your eyes!
ALL of this countries security assets are needed
The point is to have leaders who won’t turn those “guns” on the citizens!
It doesn’t matter what the security asset is, they can all be used against us.
That doesn’t mean we get rid of them.
Obama is the most recent abuser of government power and the most extreme abuser to date. But we have experienced many lesser abusers before him and it is they who set the stage for an extremist like Obama and.
Obama and his extreme abuse of power are made possible only because of past Presidents and Congresses. They passed the laws and changed the culture that enabled a man like Obama to get elected and then to run roughshod over the constitution without meaningful repercussion.
When Obama leaves office our immediate tormenter will be gone but the system that made it possible for a dastard like him to be president, and that gave him the power and tools to become a tyrant, will still be there.
And now Obama has shown his successors the way to missuse and abuse presidential power without concern that congress, the courts or the citizens can, or will, do anything meaningful to rein them in.
The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.
-- James Madison
Millions have been touched by the misuse of information gotten through government spying. Far fewer from any terrorist.
The Real Targets of the NSA Spy Program
June 22, 2013 10:26AM
The real targets are top U.S. government officials, judges and military officers, senators and representatives and their staffs, even down to the district level. The source for this is the totally-credible NSA leaker Russ Tice, who was a key source for the first, explosive 2005 New York Times report on the Bush Administration’s illegal warrantless wiretap program, the program which has now been continued and expanded by Obama, as Glenn Greenwald and the London Guardian continue to expose. Russ Tice is only the second of the many Snowdens who will follow.
Tice said the following, and more, in a June 19 interview with Peter B. Collins on his program website.
The following incomplete transcription of the interview can be found on the Zerohedge website.
Tice: Okay. They went afterand I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of thingsthey went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the armed services committees and [judiciary committees]. But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and law firms. All kinds ofheaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court, that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White Housetheir own people. They went after antiwar groups. They went after U.S. internationalU.S. companies that that do international business, you know, business around the world. They went after U.S. banking firms and financial firms that do international business. They went after NGOs thatlike the Red Cross, people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few antiwar civil rights groups. So, you know, don’t tell me that there’s no abuse, because I’ve had this stuff in my hand and looked at it. And in some cases, I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff. [Describes the technology.]
Collins: Now Russ, the targeting of the people that you just mentioned, top military leaders, members of Congress, intelligence community leaders and the ... intelligence committees, and then executive branch appointees. This creates the basis, and the potential for massive blackmail.
Tice: Absolutely! And remember we talked about that before, that I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on. Now here’s the big one. I haven’t given you any names. This was is summer of 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with, with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator from Illinois. You wouldn’t happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? Its a big white house in Washington, D.C. That’s who they went after. And that’s the President of the United States now.
Tice: “And they went afterI could give you names of a bunch of different people that they went after, that I saw! The names and the phone numbers of Congress. Not only the names, but what looked like staff people too, and the staff in not only their Washington offices, but back home in the Congressionalyou know, the little offices they have in their home state offices and stuff like that. This thing is INCREDIBLE, what NSA’s done. They simply turned themselves, in my opinion, into a rogue agency that has J, Edgar Hoover capabilities, on a monstrous scale, on steroids.”
At the same time, more Snowden documents simultaneously printed in the London Guardian and Washington Post today, show that Obama’s statement that NSA activities domestic “do not involve listening to people’s phone calls, do not involve reading the e-mails of U.S. citizens or U.S. residents, absent further action by a Federal court,” are total lies. So are the repeated statements by Obama, DNI Clapper and NSA head Gen. Alexander, that the program is under supervision of judges and there’s nothing to worry about. The actual decisions are made by NSA analysts, just as Snowden said. The function of the short, vaguely-worded decisions of the FISA court, reproduced in the two newspapers, is at best to guide the decisions the analysts make on their own.
They can intercept any communication between someone inside the United States and someone they “believe” is outside the country. A person “whose location is not known will be presumed to be a non-U.S. person.”
Any communications between persons inside the United States and outside the United States, they can read, keep, and use as they like. If they “inadvertently” intercept communications between two people both in the United States, they can of course read them. They can then keep them up to five years, if they believe that any of a broad array of criteria are met, including: “if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity.”
[The statement that analysts decide on their own whom to wiretap, should of course be interpreted that their actual orders as to whom to blackmail are made in such a way as to leave no paper-trail, or “no fingerprints,” as it is said.]
In sum, Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) knew what he was talking about when he asked Eric Holder on June 6, “could you assure to us that no phones inside the Capitol were monitored of members of Congress?” and then, later in the same hearing, asked the same question about the Justices of the Supreme Court.
Oh I think we would survive if we ditched several of our “security” agencies and let the contractors find another nipple.
Our entire government has become an affront to the Constitution, to what was once our Republic, and to the honest, law-abiding citizens that once believed that they lived in the greatest country on earth.
Seal the borders. Make sure all Americans are armed and trained. Send home people groups who do not wish to fit into our culture and who hate us. If we would do those things, we would not need a "Big Brother" who is only effective at harassing and intimidating Americans, and which doesn't stop terrorism anyway.
By the way, I love internationals and have worked with them in church groups, helped with ESL, etc. I enjoy the ones who come here, who love America and think it is the greatest, freest place, and who want to better their lives and give to the culture and fit in to the culture. They can keep their unique personalities, traditions, foods, etc that add interest and spice to our life here. But they need to have the same basic core VALUES as traditional Americans, and we cannot let in too many at once until each group is fitting in well.
But it is national suicide to bring in millions who hate us, break our laws, come here illegally, and use a false religion which is really a political ideology to sneakily and then later violently take over a country and impose their barbarism on a civilized culture. Politicians who are doing this and then using a surveillance police state to intimidate their own citizens while pretending they are doing it for our "safety" are absolutely treasonous.
Oh, I think you are quite naive.
The agencies are necessary and they are incapable of executing their charter, without the contractors.
The problem is this corrupt, anti-American administration.
Guess I’m just not fearfully clinging to the leg of uncle Sam out of some misguided belief that I’m being protected from anything.
oh, so you see the entire DoD enterprise as a waste of time and money, which should be stricken from the Constitution?
I guess “naive” was too subtle....
When the NSA was about foreign powers it was righteous. However, common sense says a power such as the NSA without control of the people will be turned on the people. I am amazed at the NSA employees and associated contractors and other government agencies that feel spying on Americans is a good thing.
Yeah That’s exactly what I said. /s
They call yours a strawman argument.
Why do we have a CIA and an NSA in the first place?
Why? Because there are bad people out there, who want to do bad things to us.
LaRouchePAC? 4 words.Give...Me...A...Break.
Too stupid to figure out my problem with the endless redundancy of perpetually failing federal agencies?
Its that or you’re particularly skittish sheep.
Just exactly which aspect of my position qualifies as a “strawman”?
Crawl back into your bunker little boy. Your government will tell you when its safe to come out.
You’re the one unable and unwilling to stand up and fight.
If you had any reading comprehension, you would recognize that I’m condemning this administrations abuses of Constitutionally prescribed defense of this country and our citizens.
I enlisted at 17, during Vietnam.
What have you done?
I’m not at all impressed with your fearful quaking. And if you think you should use your service in Vietnam as a weapon, you’ve long since forgotten why you served at all.
I’m never surprised by your inability to stay on topic and address the subject at hand.
Once you’ve lost the argument you launch into personal attacks, largely because you’re insecure in your manhood.
The defense establishment has a well founded purpose, which has been corrupted by this administration.
It is not inherently evil.
Since nobody else is watching us pee on each other’s shoes, I’m done with this thread.
Knowing you always love to have the last word, know too that it will go
The question still remains...What do people want to do?
Please no (well deserved) rants about Barack Obama or the evils of Big Government.
Its about more than just your personal security.
Signet is not going away. So what do you want to do?
Remember anything done (including doing nothing) can have...negative consequences.
What I’m going to do is to work to eliminate every dick sucking government contract leech there is and leave cowards cowering in fear on their own.
Since it sounds like you have a great love of this sort of thing, you can consider this conversation over. I only deal with my countrymen.
Now you’ve done it. I feel real real bad.
So what do you and other who have problems with this program want to do?
It’s a very simple question, and one that by now should have been answered.
I keep seeing rants (some well deserved), I see people pointing out issues/concerns they have (ok fair enough), what I don’t see is an answer to my simple question. It just seems to me that after pointing out the problem (if problem there is) it is incumbent on those who have major issues with this, to come up with a solution, and so far I haven’t seen one. By Solution I don’t mean “What Im going to do is to work to eliminate every dick sucking government contract leech there is and leave cowards cowering in fear on their own.” That is a child ranting.
I don’t really care what you want or think now leave me alone.
BTW I notice you aren’t man enough to weigh in on any of the current threads. Nope, you’ll creep around in the shadows like a cockroach.
I don’t come here very much anymore. Too many nutters for my tastes.
This is a strawman. You restate your opponent's argument with some elasticity/exaggeration to fit the need to refute the argument. Set up the strawman, then knock it down.
Exactly. Sure we need some spy agencies but we don’t need dozens of them acting as job creators for government connected contractors to the tune of a half trillion dollars per year. Booz Allen is just 1 of hundreds and they sucked some $6 billion out of taxpayer pockets last year.
Speaking of connected contractors, I won’t be forgetting that James Clapper himself was an executive with Booz Allen.
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