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Oil industry loses legal battle against E15
Fuel Fix ^ | June 24, 2013 | Jennifer A. Dlouhy

Posted on 06/24/2013 8:39:21 AM PDT by thackney

The Supreme Court on Monday dealt a big blow to the oil industry, when it decided not to hear a legal challenge against the federal government’s decision to approve the sale of fuel containing 15 percent ethanol.

The decision not to hear the case — which was issued without comment Monday morning — was a defeat for the American Petroleum Institute and several other groups that have been vigorously fighting the Environmental Protection Agency’s 2010 approval of the E15 blend. Although the agency green-lighted the sale of E15 for cars and trucks made since 2007, the higher-ethanol blend is not authorized for older vehicles.

After the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in January that the API and more than a dozen other groups did not have standing to challenge the EPA’s limited approval of E15, the American Petroleum Institute and other organizations appealed to the Supreme Court.

Harry Ng, API vice president and general counsel, called the high court’s move “a big loss for consumers, for safety and for our environment.”

The oil industry argues that E15 has not been proved safe, there are high “misfueling” risks that could cause filling station owners to face liability when the fuel is inadvertently pumped into older cars and there is a limited market for the mix, especially since some automakers have warned drivers that using the fuel will void their warranty.

Ng said the EPA was “irresponsible” in approving E15, “even though government research showed potential infrastructure concerns at our nation’s gas stations that could lead to serious safety and environmental problems.”

Biofuel backers cheered the decision.

Tom Buis, the CEO of Growth Energy, which originally sought E15′s approval, called the move “a true victory for the American biofuels industry” as well as consumers, the economy and the environment.

Bob Dinneen, the president of the Renewable Fuels Association, said the Supreme Court’s decision “ends a long and drawn out petroleum industry effort to derail the commercialization of E15.”

But while this legal fight may be over, the industry’s larger war against an eight-year-old law mandating the use of more ethanol and other alternative fuels is just beginning. The oil industry is furiously lobbying lawmakers to tinker with the 2005 renewable fuels standard, and, in some cases, repeal it altogether. At the same time, oil companies and industry trade groups are asking the EPA to use its authority to waive some of the requirements.

The Energy and Commerce Committee has begun a broad, bipartisan review of the renewable fuel standard, ahead of possible changes. It is set to hold a hearing on the issue Wednesday afternoon.

Some refiners say they have already reached a so-called “blend wall,” a threshold where adding the required volume of ethanol to gasoline supplies would result in ethanol blends exceeding the 10 percent cap approved for use in all vehicles. Because the RFS was established with target volumes — rather than percentages — a recent decline in gasoline use means that blend wall has arrived sooner than expected. The effects are different from some refiners; their individual obligations are determined by their share of the fuel market.

Renewable fuel supporters counter that the mandate was designed to drive innovation in the fuels market and force changes by refiners, automakers and motorists ultimately helping to wean the U.S. off foreign oil in exchange for domestically produced alternatives.


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KEYWORDS: energy; ethanol; gasoline; leninism
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1 posted on 06/24/2013 8:39:21 AM PDT by thackney
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To: thackney

Great now government will destroy your car engine too


2 posted on 06/24/2013 8:41:40 AM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: thackney

So there.


3 posted on 06/24/2013 8:41:41 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: thackney

My Subaru STI already sees a 5mpg drop on winter blend vs summer blend.
I can’t wait to see how well it runs on 15% ethanol :-(


4 posted on 06/24/2013 8:42:38 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Mr. Lucky
I've already solved my lawnmower / ethanol problems.


5 posted on 06/24/2013 8:43:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

E10 is already wreaking havoc on my engine.


6 posted on 06/24/2013 8:44:05 AM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: Mr. Lucky

It’s not uncommon among my Amish neighbors to hitch a Shetland pony to that sort of mower; a somewhat more traditional means by which field crops can be used for transportation fuel.


7 posted on 06/24/2013 8:46:58 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

I am trying to use a couple teenage girls. I use $$$ on my stick instead of carrots.


8 posted on 06/24/2013 8:49:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Looking down the road, there is substantial interest among the engine and automobile companies in the mid-level blends such as E30 or E40 in order to meet future mileage and emissions standards. Ethanol has a lower energy density than gasoline so there is a mileage penalty at a 10 percent blend. But ethanol also has higher octane, and at higher blends this erases the mileage penalty and burns cleaner as well.

The engine manufacturers, including the small engine manufacturers, should have shifted to a flex fuel standard years ago.


9 posted on 06/24/2013 8:54:45 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: thackney

“I use $$$ on my stick instead of carrots.”

The jokes write themselves. LOL


10 posted on 06/24/2013 8:54:58 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: thackney

Trust me, the amount of $$$ necessary multiplies geometrically as the age of the girls increases.


11 posted on 06/24/2013 8:55:50 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: sphinx
and at higher blends this erases the mileage penalty

Not true. When Indy cars switched to pure ethanol, using an engine specifically designed for ethanol, they required larger fuel tanks to keep the same mileage between refueling.

Octane prevents early detonation, it does not provide more energy per gallon, as gasoline versus ethanol does.

12 posted on 06/24/2013 9:07:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: sphinx

Sorry, I mixed up Indy and Nascar.

Indy switched from Methanol to Ethanol, getting more miles to the gallon.

Nascar switched from Gasoline to Ethanol Blend getting less miles to the gallon.


13 posted on 06/24/2013 9:13:39 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: sphinx
The engine manufacturers, including the small engine manufacturers, should have shifted to a flex fuel standard years ago.

True flex-fuel capability requires electronic fuel injection along with a computer control and related sensors sophisticated enough to adjust fuel injector pulses based on the fuel blend in the tank. Given the limited availability of E85 fuel, the car manufacturers had to be prodded by the government to include the additional hardware (there was little financial incentive to do so).

This sort of fuel system might work on a larger outboard motor as well (those usually have a weather-proof engine cover with enough room for the computer, plumbing and wiring). Smaller outboards, power mowers, string trimmers, chainsaws - none of those are suited to flex-fuel configuration.

Sure, you can build a small engine (or a carbureted car engine) to run very well indeed on E85, but it won't run well on anything else. This push for E15 is a way to force increased use of ethanol as fuel because when given a choice, consumers prefer their ethanol to be aged in oak casks and served neat or over ice.

14 posted on 06/24/2013 9:14:08 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: thackney

It would be interesting to see Monsanto’s influence in all this, since they are a major supplier of corn for ethanol.


15 posted on 06/24/2013 9:14:37 AM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: thackney

A lovely solution. Please demonstrate on the 3/4 acre of grass at my two homes in Idaho. I wait until 8:30 PM when the temp drops to 95 degrees at 20% humidity. Plenty of good light left at that hour.


16 posted on 06/24/2013 9:14:43 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Democrat_media

Ethanol has ruined a growing list of products for me:

Weedeater - fuel line disolved
Chain Saw - fuel line disolved twice
Push mower - rubber bladder style carb became dry and ruined
Riding mower - every 2 years, the gasket in the carb disentegrates
Car - fuel line rusted from inside out, near top of engine where it bends to meet fuel rail.

I’ve started using fuel stabilizer specifically meant for ethanol...for my mowers etc. But I can’t afford to put that in my car all the time.

Most cars now have an extensive fuel vapor system, with lots of plastic parts and rubber tubing. I think alot of these will fail...giving check engine codes, and making your car smell like a filling station - but remember, its all to save the environment.


17 posted on 06/24/2013 9:18:51 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: thackney

so I guess once it blows up a few engines WE will have standing?


18 posted on 06/24/2013 9:19:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Myrddin

My little spot in Suburbia hell is a tiny lot.

For the retirement property, 60 acres, we use a diesel tractor.

I’m not claiming it is a great thing. I just got so darn tired of fighting engine failures in little engines, I gave up.

On the plus side, the girls no longer can claim they couldn’t start the engine while I was at work.


19 posted on 06/24/2013 9:21:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: lacrew

I have a similar list of small engine problems that are related to E10. Finally, I went and bought some mid-grade gasoline at the local marina (ethanol-free). Now the little clear primer bulbs don’t require replacement every three months.


20 posted on 06/24/2013 9:23:04 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: sphinx

Huh? I don’t think the octane magically erases the lower energy content.

Here on this gubment website it says that E85 gives you 25%-30% less mileage:

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/ethanol.shtml


21 posted on 06/24/2013 9:25:57 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: sphinx

Link:

CUP: New Ethanol Fuel Expected To Boost Horsepower, Hurt Fuel Mileage
http://nascar.speedtv.com/article/cup-new-ethanol-fuel-expected-to-boost-horsepower-hurt-fuel-mileage/


22 posted on 06/24/2013 9:26:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: sphinx

We have cheaper, easier to get, essentially unlimited, oil in the ground. It’s better for our engines, it’s better for the environment and it’s not burning our food supply.

There shouldn’t be one tablespoon of ethanol in our gasoline.

The degree of corruption between the government and vested interests passed outright criminal a long time ago. About the time our republic drew its last breath. Just SOP in the old Soviet Union, now here for our pleasure.


23 posted on 06/24/2013 9:27:05 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: thackney
On the plus side, the girls no longer can claim they couldn’t start the engine while I was at work.

Heh. I'm sure they were thrilled when you had them fitted for their mower harnesses. ;-)

BTW, you might be interested in the 24v rechargeable electric reel mowers that are on the market. The brand name is Brill, I believe. The motor spins the reel, so all the girls really need to is roll the mower around. There's no geared resistance as with the old-school design.

24 posted on 06/24/2013 9:28:46 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: lacrew

All these problems you have experienced is exactly the reason the Indy car (which use 100% alky fuel) drain all fuel tanks, put a few gallons of racing gas in, start and flush complete fuel system before going back on the truck for the trip back to home base. The alky is not to be left in the system for even an overnight period.

Their fuel systems all have Teflon lined, stainless steel hose and hard line, designed for alky fuel. Is there a wonder why we have problems with our small engines and automobiles? Water, water, water.


25 posted on 06/24/2013 9:35:58 AM PDT by biff (WAS)
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To: sphinx

And who said ethanol burned cleaner?

Stanford did a study that came to the opposite conclusion, mentioned in the wikipedia article on ethanol:

“A study by atmospheric scientists at Stanford University found that E85 fuel would increase the risk of air pollution deaths relative to gasoline by 9% in Los Angeles, USA: a very large, urban, car-based metropolis that is a worst case scenario.[72] Ozone levels are significantly increased, thereby increasing photochemical smog and aggravating medical problems such as asthma.[73][74]”


26 posted on 06/24/2013 9:36:33 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: thackney
Oil industry loses legal battle against E15

It isn't the oil industry who lost, it's all of the citizens who own and operate motor vehicles.

27 posted on 06/24/2013 9:50:18 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Charles Martel
This sort of fuel system might work on a larger outboard motor as well (those usually have a weather-proof engine cover with enough room for the computer, plumbing and wiring).

Actually it won't, because the ethanol draws moidture out of the air and with time forms a layer of water/ethanol (which won't run the engine) on the bottom of the tank. I already pay a premium ($5.15/gal * 300gal for a fill-up) for non-ethanol gas at the fuel dock.

28 posted on 06/24/2013 9:54:12 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Charles Martel

I just spent the weekend cleaning the carb jets that were plugged from the ethanol. Boaters beware.


29 posted on 06/24/2013 10:05:49 AM PDT by jack1165
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To: sphinx

Looking down the road YOU DON’T BURN YOUR FOOD! Let alone the ecological component of using fossil fuels to create the fertilisers to grow the feed stock to produce ethanol.


30 posted on 06/24/2013 10:18:02 AM PDT by VTenigma
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To: VTenigma

The only “nutrient” remove from corn by distillation is the starch. How much more corn starch do you think the average American should have in his diet?


31 posted on 06/24/2013 10:35:50 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: from occupied ga

I’m well aware of the problems that ethanol-blended fuels present for marine engines; I was speaking mostly to the packaging problems of flex-fuel needs and EFI. In my opinion, marine engines need to be as simple as possible. Fuel injection might be more precise, but I’ll take a carb and ethanol-free gasoline any day.


32 posted on 06/24/2013 10:48:40 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: thackney

The oil industry is not so much the loser as is the American consumer. This is an evil decision, ‘bought’ with Big Ag funds wanting to support the food for fuel agenda.


33 posted on 06/24/2013 11:00:52 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: VTenigma

“Looking down the road YOU DON’T BURN YOUR FOOD!”

FDR and Henry Wallace did...they killed the baby pigs and poisoned mountains of potatoes with potassium permanganate...all for the same reason...to support Big Ag prices.


34 posted on 06/24/2013 11:03:23 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: thackney

They better perfect the electric car before they ban gas cause ethanol is shi*.


35 posted on 06/24/2013 4:16:05 PM PDT by Impy (Bring back the spoils system.)
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To: thackney
Good move. The diesel should last a lifetime. My grass is often thick and wet. A Honda mower with a big exit chute was necessary to avoid having the chute jamming every 5 minutes. For that quality of mower, I had to cough up $800. Having it damaged by bad fuel would be a travesty.
36 posted on 06/24/2013 7:54:12 PM PDT by Myrddin
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