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Vanity: Gun safety question
Vanity | 06.24.13 | South Hawthorne

Posted on 06/24/2013 9:18:46 AM PDT by South Hawthorne

Folks, I need some advice here.

I own two weapons, a Ruger 9, and a Mossberg 500. Both are primarily for home defense, although I have a CC and take the 9 with me occasionally.

I live in the city, South Philadelphia, in a three story row home, and there are very few break-ins, not a great deal of crime in my neighborhood. I also have a wife, who has no interest in fire arms, and two children, a daughter 13 and son 11, who also have no interest in firearms.

Now I keep the Mossberg in the bedroom (3rd floor), where it can’t be reached by anyone but me. The question is: Where should I keep the Ruger? Currently, it’s in the bedroom with a gun lock on it, but it occurred to me, if I was downstairs and needed it suddenly, it would be useless.

I have a table with drawers near the front door, maybe that would be a good place? But should I lock it? The one factor is this Ruger needs to be racked to get the first round in the chamber and I’m really confident that I’m the only one strong enough to do it, and I doubt anyone else knows this needs to be done.

Yes, I know ideally it would be safest to keep the guns in a safe with locks on them and the ammo somewhere else all together, but if there was a break-in, they’d be useless.

Essentially, I’m looking for a balance between ease of access and safety. Any thoughts or suggestions would be much appreciated.


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1 posted on 06/24/2013 9:18:46 AM PDT by South Hawthorne
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To: South Hawthorne

Carry it. If I’m in a house with kids, I carry on my person indoors or out. Period.


2 posted on 06/24/2013 9:21:04 AM PDT by apoxonu
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To: South Hawthorne

I keep my glock with me on my nightstand as I sleep and downstairs with me when I am down there. No kids around with me.


3 posted on 06/24/2013 9:21:27 AM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: South Hawthorne

Train your kids and wife and leave it in the drawer.


4 posted on 06/24/2013 9:22:00 AM PDT by xone
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To: South Hawthorne

Put it in a drawer with a biometric lock. This would be for daytime use only and only if you were in the house.

I would leave it in the drawer ready for defending your life and that of your family.

If you leave the house take the gun with you or put it back in the safe.


5 posted on 06/24/2013 9:22:48 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: South Hawthorne

I don’t like having my gun unsecured (especially with kids) I keep mine in my pocket.


6 posted on 06/24/2013 9:23:02 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: South Hawthorne

One of those handgun safes might work. A good one which opens with a fingertip combo costs about $140 but you aren’t fumbling with a padlock trying to get your gun.

Also depends on your kids and how many visitors you have. I trust my kids more than my neighbors. So I taught them how to use the gun.

IMO everyone needs to know the basics of gun safety.


7 posted on 06/24/2013 9:24:11 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: South Hawthorne
Holster or quick access pistol safe.
As for your wife and kids, TRAIN THEM.
Your wife should know what to do and your kids should know what not to do.

8 posted on 06/24/2013 9:25:15 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: South Hawthorne
You live in Philly and have a handgun and a shotgun. Mayor Nutter does not approve. You must be up to no good.

I agree with the other poster, carry at all times. Or, you could get one of those bio-metric safes and bolt it into the drawer by the door.

9 posted on 06/24/2013 9:25:39 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The Gubment Has No Legitimacy. It needs to be Removed!)
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To: South Hawthorne

You can get a small gun safe big enough for the pistol with a combination lock and a code known only by you and keep it where you like. That adds time to the process of retrieving it but given the circumstances of a house full of people who don’t know how to operate the pistol that’s not only best for their safety but best from a legal perspective as well.


10 posted on 06/24/2013 9:26:43 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: South Hawthorne

lock up the unloaded guns in a safe, and get a big family dog!

this is a conundrum I have considered myself, and I’m not sure there’s a good answer, except to say as a mom of a 10 yo boy, I would be careful in assuming that your children have no interest in firearms.


11 posted on 06/24/2013 9:27:08 AM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: South Hawthorne

I carry mine while home, and have several small pistol safes around my house.
If I’m wearing my jammies and no belt for a holster, I use a shoulder holster.
If you’re planning to have a pistol in your bathroom, use a lot of desiccant to keep things dry in it.


12 posted on 06/24/2013 9:29:13 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: South Hawthorne
I also have a wife, who has no interest in fire arms, and two children, a daughter 13 and son 11, who also have no interest in firearms.

Maybe they don't have any interest in firearms. But the friends that they have over might have a great interest. The friends could be carelessly curious. Or they could have a bit of larceny in them. Please keep that in mind.

13 posted on 06/24/2013 9:29:19 AM PDT by Leaning Right
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To: South Hawthorne
I keep the Mossberg in the bedroom (3rd floor), where it can’t be reached by anyone but me. The question is: Where should I keep the Ruger?
You already have means to defend yourself w/ the Mossberg. Keep the pistol in a gun safe.
14 posted on 06/24/2013 9:30:39 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: South Hawthorne
"Yes, I know ideally it would be safest to keep the guns in a safe with locks on them and the ammo somewhere else all together, but if there was a break-in, they’d be useless."

Safest? Not if your safety is threatened and you need a gun Right Now. As you wrote, stored that way they'd be useless if there was a break-in.

15 posted on 06/24/2013 9:31:01 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: South Hawthorne

It absolutely vital that your kids are trained properly. They need to know how to handle all of your weapons in a safe manner. Regardless if they are interested, they must be trained and have some range time.


16 posted on 06/24/2013 9:32:35 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: South Hawthorne

The safest place for a pistol is a holster.


17 posted on 06/24/2013 9:32:52 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: South Hawthorne

there are a number of hiding places out now-a-days. Some use a mantle clock, others “books” that would permit concealment in other parts of the house. Most important is proper training of wife and children. Get them to take a NRA entry level class on gun safety.


18 posted on 06/24/2013 9:32:53 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: South Hawthorne
I usually carry at all times, even in the house. You can buy one of these hand-combo gun vaults and only give the combo to those who care. That way, you can leave it locked and loaded, ready to go.

I have the same strength and complexity issue with my women, and have made sure they are equipped with revolvers. The new composite 5-shots are sweet.

19 posted on 06/24/2013 9:33:52 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: South Hawthorne
The one factor is this Ruger needs to be racked to get the first round in the chamber and I’m really confident that I’m the only one strong enough to do it, and I doubt anyone else knows this needs to be done.

Never under estimate kids.

There are small gun safes on the market that will hold one or two handguns. There are models that require a fingerprint or a combination that can make hand gun available to you in a hurry if the need arises.

Check the web sites of Cabela's and others for the hand gun safes.

If your city/state requires gun locks even while the firearm is in storage, good luck on protecting yourself and your family.

20 posted on 06/24/2013 9:34:16 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: TYVets
Check the web sites of Cabela's and others for the hand gun safes.

Funny you should say that. The Cabela's flier just came and micro biometric hand gun safes are on sale this week.

21 posted on 06/24/2013 9:40:37 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The Gubment Has No Legitimacy. It needs to be Removed!)
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To: South Hawthorne

Biometric safe plus a Labrador.

The Lab will give you time and will probably scare anyone away. If they insist on breaking in they will meet up with “Hell on Wheels” in the form of a Lab.

The labs are extremely loving dogs but will defend you and your kids to the end. One of the most impressive breeds out there.


22 posted on 06/24/2013 9:41:40 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: South Hawthorne

Let’s get to the heart of the matter: safety. You need to GTH out of Philadelphia, taco pronto.


23 posted on 06/24/2013 9:42:09 AM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: South Hawthorne
Looks like a lot of folks are advocating training the wife and kids. That is definitely a good idea. My wife went a long with a friend recently to a NRA class, Women on Target. She said it was really good.

When it comes to storing your weapons, carry the 9mm and at least put a trigger lock on the Mossberg, even if it is stored out of reach. Personally, I'd rather use a shotgun for personal defense inside a home, but your weapon needs to readily available or it is not much of a weapon.

24 posted on 06/24/2013 9:43:39 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: South Hawthorne

Either lock it up or carry it. Never leave it unsecured with children in the home, espc. unfamiliar, untrained children; they are a tragedy waiting to happen (although firearm accidents have decreased over 95% since 1900, which is a direct result of NRA and state assoc/private org training programs, not gun control).

Kids of all ages have been known, tragically all too often, to be able to figure out the most complex and physically difficult problems.

Leaving it unsecured when you are not home is offering a firearm(s) to burglars or other unauthorized types.

Seek to interest your wife to at least become familiar with the use of the firearms, appeal to her motherly instincts if need be. Then, get her professional training-don’t try to do so yourself- family doesn’t often learn that well from the male in the house..... NRA has lots of trainers, look them up on line nraqh.org (join yourself as well).

You do not mention any perimeter security-home alarm, pet etc, you’d do well to use a monitored service- a bit of training for the family, minor expense but proven deterrent effect. Avoidance is much better than having to fight.

I think if you present the concern for safety in a comprehensive manner to your wife, she would at least agree to be prudent, if not forward leaning in soft measures, the firearms being a last resort.

Best;


25 posted on 06/24/2013 9:45:10 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: South Hawthorne
My question is why don't they have a interest in firearms Have you taken the to the range. have you talked to them have you trained with them.

Personally you have to be the one to spark a interest in them to your children. You have to be the one to see that they get trained. You have to be the one make sure they are safe with them.

You can not let the schools, the media dictate to your children their interest in guns.

You need to have a serious conversation with the wife and the kids If you don't do it and let the popular culture, media and the anti gun schools dictate you well lose them to it.

Stand up show some leadership.

26 posted on 06/24/2013 9:47:20 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Drill Thrawl; TYVets
The Cabela's flier just came and micro biometric hand gun safes are on sale this week.

Thanks for the heads up, problem solved! Thanks to all for the input on this thread. When it comes to gun advice, FReepers are second to none!

27 posted on 06/24/2013 9:49:00 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: South Hawthorne
I’m really confident that I’m the only one strong enough to do it

Kids, especially boys, will do some amazing feats to get enough leverage to do things if he gets it in his head to do them. And if he doesn't have the strength to rack it in the conventional method then he could do it in an extremely dangerous way (let's see, I can't pull it back like on TV so what if I put the back of the grip on the nightstand and push the slide back with both hands.... I just got scared even thinking of where the barrel would be pointing to do that).

Lock it up if you aren't in physical control of it or teach the kids the right way to use it and trust them (if you can) not to misuse it.

28 posted on 06/24/2013 9:52:14 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: South Hawthorne

Keep in mind that even though I was properly trained as a kid, I still knew how to get access to may Dad’s locked up and hidden fire arms — it is what kids do.

I never misused one, but I could have. In the fifties and sixties, we were more cautious of disobedience.


29 posted on 06/24/2013 9:52:29 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.)
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To: Vendome; South Hawthorne

What Vendome said. Oh and when it’s in the box keep it cocked and locked.


30 posted on 06/24/2013 9:52:40 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: South Hawthorne

Whatever you do, don’t keep firearms or other valuables in the bedroom when not at home. It’s the first location burglars hit in their search for money, drugs, jewelry, and guns.


31 posted on 06/24/2013 9:53:59 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: South Hawthorne

If you aren’t teaching your kids how to properly use firearms you aren’t doing your job properly.


32 posted on 06/24/2013 9:57:08 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: South Hawthorne

Always carry the Ruger! Whether indoors or outdoors, CARRY IT!

And, put it on the nightstand when you are sleeping.

It would be well for you to interest your wife and kids in the shooting sports. Some gun safety courses and range time for them might be a life saver for all four of you one day.


33 posted on 06/24/2013 10:02:04 AM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: South Hawthorne

Everyone of these posts leave you vulnerable for home invasion style actions. Your choice of weapons is similar to mine. I have a Mossberg 500 I keep loaded and in the damn gun safe.

I have a Ruger SR40 which is similar to your 9. Yes, racking that thing is tricky, mine will jamb if you give it the least bit of limp wristing. Which could happen during an incident.

I keep my Ruger racked with the safety on and I make sure it is in a coffee table drawer or someplace I can reach it at all times. At night the Ruger sits next to the bed on the night stand. I also take out my Thureon Defense .40 caliber carbine with a 22 shot magazine and equipped with an EOTech 512 optics and lean it against the dresser. (I am a small farmer/rancher with Coyotes and other predators that roam at night along with the two legged varieties.)

Come day, I put them into the safe with the loaded Mossberg, unless I’m working away from the house, then I carry the loaded Ruger.

To me, a gun that isn’t ready isn’t a deterrent. You don’t need a safe when you are home, a bad guy will not wait for you to fumble with unlocking any thing. I do lock my guns up when we aren’t home or have company over. My kids and wife are trained and if they have no interest, that’s OK, but they still need basic training. My wife is as good or better shot than I am and she would not hesitate to fill you with lead our cut your balls off with her spring assisted knife she carries in her Dooney & Bourke handbag if she felt threatened.


34 posted on 06/24/2013 10:02:11 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: buffaloguy

You are right. I just hate their damn digging habits. My last Lab ruined every flower bed the wife planted. Now we own a McNabb and it is a better fit with my critters and flowers. A Lab will kill Chickens and Turkeys for fun, my McNabb doesn’t.


35 posted on 06/24/2013 10:05:33 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: South Hawthorne

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=PPGG1


36 posted on 06/24/2013 10:06:53 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: South Hawthorne

I have to go with the majority of posters on this.
Get your wife and kids firearm training, even if
they don’t take to it at least they have the basic
knowledge.

You may not be home, you may be sick and of little
use in an emergency.

Who knows, maybe your family
will enjoy the experience. Certainly your kids will
understand it’s not something to be played with after
that.


37 posted on 06/24/2013 10:12:45 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: South Hawthorne

So I will echo the train the wife and kids but I will also give you some arguments that will tend to work to start them on the path to being trained.

Arguments in order:

#1 - Honey, I would feel much better if you knew how to make the pistol and shotgun safe - just in case you ever have to. Then teach loading and unloading only.

#2 Honey, you know how to make it safe, I think the kids should be able to do the same.

#3 Honey, now that you know the basics of how to make the firearm safe, I’d like you to come with me to the range and practice loading and unloading for real.

#4 Honey, how about we make sure that you can actually shoot the pistol / shotgun properly. I want to know that if I am hurt or not there, that you can use these to protect the kids from a murder or a rapist.

#5 Wow honey, not bad, you seem to have some natural ability with these - can you hit a smaller target?

#6 You know honey, you are good enough that maybe we should send you to a formal instruction or class.

#7 From a safety perspective, the kids really need to know this as well.


38 posted on 06/24/2013 10:21:36 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: mad_as_he$$; South Hawthorne

Yep. Cocked, Locked and Ready to Roll, with prayers you never, ever need to.


39 posted on 06/24/2013 10:22:19 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: South Hawthorne
I also have a wife, who has no interest in fire arms, and two children, a daughter 13 and son 11, who also have no interest in firearms.

I had no interest in bed making as a child. My parents still insisted that I had to learn how it was done.

You can't order your wife to go but you can, you must, teach the children how to handle weapons properly.

They don't have to learn how to strip down an AR-15 blindfolded but they should know more then "gun goes bang".

40 posted on 06/24/2013 10:28:53 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: South Hawthorne

This:

http://www.amazon.com/Gunvault-GV1000S-Mini-Vault-Standard/dp/B001C601KA/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1372094822&sr=8-4&keywords=gunvault+digital+speed+vault

Maybe inside an end table bolted to the bottom. You can access the gun in seconds but it’s unlikely anyone without the combination can. You can also leave it loaded with reasonable safety. This was my solution when I married a woman with small children.


41 posted on 06/24/2013 10:31:08 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: South Hawthorne

When at home, get a holster and keep it on your hip. I carry CONSTANTLY around the house. Why? Because 100% of home invasions...occur in the HOME. ;)


42 posted on 06/24/2013 10:39:17 AM PDT by RoadieFan
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To: MtBaldy

There are some very good wall safes that mount flush between the studs. Push button combo, simple, repeatable in the dark. Cover it with a painting or a mirror on hinges and you have a great first floor storage spot that is safe and easily accessed.


43 posted on 06/24/2013 10:52:25 AM PDT by 1malumprohibitum
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To: South Hawthorne

Lot of good advice here already. I will say, even in a safe, put it in a holster. I keep mine cocked and locked, in a holster, in a safe, and everyone trained and trustworthy knows how to get at it. Seriously, get your wife and kids trained. You will not always be there.


44 posted on 06/24/2013 11:09:03 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: taxcontrol
#1 - Honey, I would feel much better if you knew how to make the pistol and shotgun safe - just in case you ever have to.

That is a primary argument. "Honey, what happens if I forget to lock it up on the way out of the house, and kids have friends coming over. You need to know how to safely secure the firearm."

Stop calling it a WEAPON! A Bic pen or a 2x4 can be a weapon. Call it a gun, call it a firearm, it's an inert piece of steel, but it's not a WEAPON until it is pointed at someone.

45 posted on 06/24/2013 11:16:00 AM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: tpmintx; taxcontrol
Stop calling it a WEAPON!

Not referring to your post. Everyone else's, however.

46 posted on 06/24/2013 11:18:22 AM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: South Hawthorne

I have one of these:

http://www.bigsupplyshop.com/Stack-On-Drawer-Safe-with-Electronic-Lock-PDS-500_p_25304.html

You can keep the gun loaded and ready to go, right on the nightstand by the table in this little safe. It has the keypad entry, but also a hidden key entry if for some reason you need quick/quiet entry (or the battery to the keypad goes dead!). You can also bolt it in a drawer.

Teaching the kids gun safety is great .... it’s their friends, etc. who might come over that I’d be worried about.


47 posted on 06/24/2013 11:19:22 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: South Hawthorne

“I also have a wife, who has no interest in fire arms”

Has she seen “A Clockwork Orange?”


48 posted on 06/24/2013 11:30:17 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: South Hawthorne
I would definitely conceal the handgun on the ground floor. If the camoflage is good enough, you don't need to worry about locking it up. See, for example, this bathroom magazine rack:

The source on this piece is, IIRC, a site called "covertfurniture.com". The vendor linked to the above photo is "stashvault.com". You have other concealment options, but I'd avoid the mantle clock hideaway type thing... a burglar might grab that as pawn shop material.

49 posted on 06/24/2013 11:47:11 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: South Hawthorne
This is the usual great advice threat on firearms from Freepers who care. Allow me to add one more thought:

You as father of the household and the one who is trained/licenses need to take the leadership role and enlist your wife to that role also. This emans settling upon a few safety measures around the home, like establishing the 'retreat to for a stand' room, where the shotgun is, which shotgun every member of the household knows how to use that tool. But I recommend a .22LR rifle be in there, too. Because if one family member is taken hostage int he home and cannot get to the safe room, trying to make a head shot on a perp drgging your daughter by her hair is not the best choice. BUT if you ever raise that rifle and aim at a perp's head, do nmot start telling the perp what to do, just shoot the bastard and when he lets go of the daughter, shoot him some more.

Having a 'retreat to' room is important especially if you live in a city. Some sort of means to block the door from easy open is also advised. They have adjustable door jambs which can slow entry while you take aim.

Every bedroom should have one of those jambs and every bedroom should have a fire extinguisher.

Finally, because of what surely lies ahead for America, every person in the household older than eight years should have their own firearm and know how to keep it safe and use it properly. even a .22lr rifle is the means to defend self and others. If ammo in a tool is not desired (if really little ones are in the home), then all firearm tools should be magazine fed, the magazine kept separately, and loaded. Even a single shot shotgun can have a strip of rounds with Velcro backing, to bring to the tool quickly for use together. I used to built them and sell them at gunshows. A .410 is a formidable tool with the right rounds, and Rossi makes a nice single shot with interchangeable barrels. The Velcro trick works very well mounted on a loop strip on the buttstock.

50 posted on 06/24/2013 11:51:46 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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