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AT LEAST 1 DEAD IN INDIANA FERTILIZER PLANT EXPLOSION
The Blaze ^ | 6/24/13 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 06/24/2013 1:11:39 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55

UNION MILLS, Ind. (AP) — An explosion at a fertilizer plant in northwest Indiana has killed one person.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: explosion; jihad

1 posted on 06/24/2013 1:11:39 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Ok.. what in the world is going on here?????


2 posted on 06/24/2013 1:11:51 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Somebody needs to tally how many of these we’ve had.


3 posted on 06/24/2013 1:12:04 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

There was one in Texas.. and I believe one in Louisiana.. maybe another.. and now this one.


4 posted on 06/24/2013 1:13:04 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Prayers for all who will be affected by this tragedy.


5 posted on 06/24/2013 1:13:48 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: NEMDF

This sounds like the work on Al-Queda.


6 posted on 06/24/2013 1:14:08 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

Three ... “central fuel tank explosions”?


7 posted on 06/24/2013 1:14:32 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: ConservativeMan55

Or Monsanto, maybe they were peddling uncontrolled seeds. /sarc


8 posted on 06/24/2013 1:14:58 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Diogenesis

I didn’t see that.

Hmmm


9 posted on 06/24/2013 1:15:32 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
Ok.. what in the world is going on here?????

Shockingly, it seems flammable or explosive substances sometimes burn or blow up.

10 posted on 06/24/2013 1:16:32 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Not at this pace.


11 posted on 06/24/2013 1:17:18 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55
I'm sure it was all coincidence.

Nothing to see here.

Please move along.

12 posted on 06/24/2013 1:18:33 PM PDT by SIDENET
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To: Strategerist

You don’t say—hazardous material is hazardous?


13 posted on 06/24/2013 1:19:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Strategerist
Shockingly, it seems flammable or explosive substances sometimes burn or blow up.

Three large industrial explosions in two months?
14 posted on 06/24/2013 1:19:44 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Statistically, what is the acceptable rate?


15 posted on 06/24/2013 1:22:40 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Just shocking isn’t it.

Turns out the extra pay for working in a hazardous environment is actually done for a reason.


16 posted on 06/24/2013 1:26:09 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Strategerist
Shockingly, it seems flammable or explosive substances sometimes burn or blow up.

I know they can but aren't there supposed to be procedures to make sure they don't?
This many industrial accidents in a short time means either lax procedures or sabotage. Which is it?

17 posted on 06/24/2013 1:27:43 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: 1rudeboy
Wikipedia: Ammonium Nitrate Disasters
18 posted on 06/24/2013 1:32:07 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Yes they happen at this pace. You just weren’t paying attention until recently.

And the question is what “pace” you are talking about; just ammonium nitrate explosions? There’s been two this year in the US. Or are you mentally adding in the Canadian fireworks explosion, etc.?

If you’re talking about all industrial explosions, then there are of course far more of those.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate_disasters

There were 3 separate incidents in Spain, Romania, and North Korea just in just three months in 2004.

A random distribution of rare events will be naturally “clumpy” on its own, far more than the average person understands. If there are on average 1 ammonium nitrate explosion every year over a 50 year period, there’s not ACTUALLY going to be one a year. you’ll go three years without one, and other times you’ll have two explosions within three months, etc.


19 posted on 06/24/2013 1:32:42 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ConservativeMan55

Two in Louisiana in two days, different plants. One was nitrogen and one was fertilizer.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/14/18963584-one-person-killed-in-second-plant-incident-in-two-days-in-louisiana-parish?lite


20 posted on 06/24/2013 1:34:47 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: 1rudeboy
Here is the data --click on the pic, then on the table--.


21 posted on 06/24/2013 1:36:08 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: SpaceBar

OK, so I presume you’re adding in the Canadian fireworks explosion.

If you are looking at ALL types of industrial explosions WORLDWIDE, then yes, three “large” ones (depending on your definition) in a few months is certainly normal.

From Wikipedia:

May 4, 1988: PEPCON disaster in Henderson, Nevada. Massive explosion at a chemical plant killed 2 people.

May 5, 1988: Norco, Louisiana, Shell Oil refinery explosion after hydrocarbon gas escaped from a corroded pipe in a catalytic cracker and was ignited. Louisiana state police evacuated 2,800 residents from nearby neighborhoods. Seven workers were killed and 42 injured. The total cost arising from the Norco blast is estimated at US$ 706 million.

July 6, 1988: Piper Alpha disaster. An explosion and resulting fire on a North Sea oil production platform kills 167 men. Total insured loss is about US$ 3.4 billion. To date it is rated as the world’s worst offshore oil disaster in terms both of lives lost and impact to industry


22 posted on 06/24/2013 1:37:37 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

I’m aware of those incidents. So exactly when will you be rubbing your chin saying “hmmm” instead of proclaiming nothing to see here folks? And exactly when will you be satisfied that they have exceeded the statistical noise?


23 posted on 06/24/2013 1:41:18 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: ConservativeMan55

This makes the Fourth one after west, TX. If I’m wrong someone please correct me.


24 posted on 06/24/2013 1:41:34 PM PDT by k4gypsyrose
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To: SpaceBar
And exactly when will you be satisfied that they have exceeded the statistical noise?

When they become more frequent than normal. I work near the Houston ship channel. I work in the oil/gas/petrochem industry.

This may seem an unusual rate to you. May I politely suggest that is due more to the your past awareness, than any change in rate of explosions.

25 posted on 06/24/2013 1:46:58 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: k4gypsyrose
This makes the Fourth one after west, TX. If I’m wrong someone please correct me.

"one" what? Ammonium Nitrate explosion? Industrial explosion? In the US? In North America? In the world?

The key thing I'm arguing is to bound the statistical data set you are looking at and to at least have a sense of the historical norm before people start wondering about terrrorism.

26 posted on 06/24/2013 1:47:06 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: ConservativeMan55

How’s those taliban talks going?


27 posted on 06/24/2013 1:47:32 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: bgill

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/24/19119164-for-second-time-in-12-hours-suspicious-object-detonated-at-indianapolis-federal-facility

For second time in 12 hours, suspicious object detonated at Indianapolis federal facility


28 posted on 06/24/2013 1:53:05 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ConservativeMan55

The only part that’s changed is the press covering it. Most of the time these things happen and nobody outside the local community finds out because it’s not news. But then slow news months happen and the press starts reporting these small events with bloodshed (if it bleeds it leads) to fill their time. We see it all the time. Remember all those shark attacks summer of 01? Seemed like the sharks had gone crazy, except that actually shark attack numbers were down dramatically from average, they were just getting covered on CNN which they usually don’t. Same thing with train derailments winter of 02. And train derailments again a couple months ago. The press has 24/7 to fill on three different networks, whether there’s something interesting happening or not, that’s what slush piles are for.


29 posted on 06/24/2013 1:53:31 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: ConservativeMan55
Sorry but this is the third or fourth explosion in the last few weeks. One, three days after the Boston bombing.. Lots of 'workplace violence' going on. /s

Someone within our gov't is probably doing this.. DHS perhaps, or an agency linked to agriculture permits. Trying to slow or shut down agriculture, possibly 'Agenda 21' related.

30 posted on 06/24/2013 2:02:51 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: RummyChick
Police told WTHR that fireworks and marijuana were found in the bag.

Uh, ok...

31 posted on 06/24/2013 2:03:01 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

one is an event. two may be a coincidence. three or more are too suspicious to be dismissed


32 posted on 06/24/2013 2:18:55 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: bgill

Someone’s 4th of July weekend just got like totally ruined, man.


33 posted on 06/24/2013 2:23:39 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I was in Sam’s Club last week, they sell fireworks here in Indiana.

There is a “weekend fun pack” which is $499 bucks, is about 5 feet high and shrink wrapped on a pallet.

Takes a forklift to load it in your vehicle.


34 posted on 06/24/2013 2:26:02 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: wildbill

three or more are too suspicious to be dismissed

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We average a couple dozen fires every day in US industrial and manufacturing facilities.

Is it really surprising that some small fraction of one percent of these result in some type of explosion, given that they handle explosive material?


35 posted on 06/24/2013 2:31:57 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Not that any of the conspiracy freaks on this thread will care, but the explosion locally was said to have been in a grain bin. Grain dust (corn dust especially) is highly explosive, but the MSM could hardly pass up the opportunity to blame this accident on something that apparently wasn’t involved.


36 posted on 06/24/2013 2:32:18 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: nascarnation

I grew up in downstate Illinois. My uncles would always drive to Indiana or Missouri and bring back fireworks.


37 posted on 06/24/2013 2:33:06 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Sounds like the BATF or FBI, sorry.

This is their M.O.


38 posted on 06/24/2013 2:34:00 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Mr. Lucky

Ah, A Class II, Division 1, Group G Hazardous Area (inside the grain bin).

http://www.osha.gov/doc/outreachtraining/htmlfiles/hazloc.html

Harder to ignite than the Class I environments, but has killed many people and destroyed many structures over the decades.


39 posted on 06/24/2013 2:37:52 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Not that any of the conspiracy freaks on this thread will care, but the explosion locally was said to have been in a grain bin. Grain dust (corn dust especially) is highly explosive, but the MSM could hardly pass up the opportunity to blame this accident on something that apparently wasn’t involved.

Yup, a bit of investigation finds that this has NOTHING TO DO WITH FERTILIZER, but all of the media (with the sole exception of USA today) wen't with fertilizer in the headline.

Grain elevator explosions are extremely common; there was more than one a month during the 1990s.

40 posted on 06/24/2013 2:47:23 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: gaijin

The M.O. of the BATF and FBI is to cause grain dust explosions in grain elevators? To what end?


41 posted on 06/24/2013 2:48:24 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Grain dust is explosive with a spark. You’d get the same effect if you were in a closed room, threw a handful of flour and lit a lighter. Boom...no more you and no more house.


42 posted on 06/24/2013 2:48:49 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: ConservativeMan55
FERTILIZER PLANT EXPLOSION

The chit hit the fan?

43 posted on 06/24/2013 2:51:38 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: Strategerist

Almost every small farming community in northern indiana (in fact, anywhere in the midwest) has a local grain elevator. And yes, grain dust is very explosive. Working at a grain elevator is a fairly dangerous job, because the dust is also very hazardous to breathe, and shifting piles of grain can bury an uncautious worker. This is a tragedy, but a local one. Say a prayer for the good people who make sure we have food in our supermarkets.


44 posted on 06/24/2013 3:16:45 PM PDT by CaptainMorgantown
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One was nitrogen and one was fertilizer.

Uh, no... the first was an Ethylene plant, the second was an Ammonia plant... (Which gets used for fertilizer)

I've been in both facilities...

Still haven't heard any details about what cause the first one.... but, there was a LOT of work going on at that location as part of an expansion project.

45 posted on 06/24/2013 3:20:07 PM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them f)
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