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Day 12 (Week #3) Zimmerman Trial Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | June 25, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 06/25/2013 4:30:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Today, June 25th, is DAY #12 (of 3rd week) State of Florida V. George Zimmerman case. An explosive first day of opening statements and witnesses took place yesterday.

[yesterday] saw the completion of opening statements and the launch of the State’s case, with four of the State’s witnesses being brought to the stand. In a nutshell, I thought the defense did a far superior job in cross-examination than the State did on direct, with it’s own witnesses, which does not bode well for the State’s prospects in this case. Here’s the play-by-play – CLICK HERE

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Possibly today the state will put their Witness 8 on the stand in hopes that she can continue the charade. Will she be able to pull it off???
1 posted on 06/25/2013 4:30:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Jaded; Beagle8U; Fawn; hoosiermama; sport; Bronzy

Four Live-Streaming Links:

http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/

http://wildabouttrial.com/george-zimmerman-live-stream.html

http://livewire.wesh.com/

http://www.clickorlando.com/

Here are some additional *possible* Links to the Hearing:

WFTV http://www.wftv.com/s/zimmerman-livestream/

Click Orlando http://www.clickorlando.com/news/trayvo … index.html

Orlando Sentinel (Fox 35 live stream) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc … on-martin/

WESH http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florid … index.html

cfnews http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cf … artin.html

MyfoxOrlando http://www.myfoxorlando.com/category/23 … von-martin

CNN http://edition.cnn.com/US/

TruTV/InSession link: http://www.superusvoxtv.com/index.php/speciality/tru-tv


2 posted on 06/25/2013 4:33:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

i still can’t get the obtusity of the defense starting out by insulting the intelligence of the jury with that stupid knock knock joke. how are you gonna get on their good side with lines like that?


3 posted on 06/25/2013 4:35:15 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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Benjamin Crump found his way to Anderson Cooper after being kicked out of the courtroom yesterday:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/06/25/crump-trying-to-thread-the-needle-with-a-grapefruit/

Benjamin Crump on AC360 last night. Anderson Cooper asks him a question about “Dee Dee” (whom everyone assumes is witness #8) and his involvement in finding her – Watch Crump strategically parse words to deflect the “media evidence” onto the phone records.

Dee Dee (16 year old, hospitalized, minor child, with extremely concerned parents) becomes known as a phone number. A phone number is not a person.

If the ownership of the phone number is changed, Dee Dee can evolve, and the phone number owner can, presto, become 18-year-old, non hospitalized, Witness #8 Rachel Jeantel.

Hence Dee Dee and Witness #8 become one person so long as no media team asks why she was described as 16, and hospitalized etc. No-one has ever demanded he reconcile the description.

Watch. He is very careful to choose his words and avoid direct answering of any questions around “Dee Dee” / Witness #8 “Rachel Jeantel“.

…..And this “Rachel Jeantel” has about as much a chance of being Trayvon’s “girlfriend” as Ray Charles shooting skeet.


4 posted on 06/25/2013 4:38:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
You wouldn't know it by reading the Bangor Daily News in Maine!!!!.....completely slanted and with the obligatory pic of “12 yr old” Trayvon....

I expect that's the meme of most News Spreaders this morning...got to convince the low info voter Z is guilty so there's something to riot about should Justice prevail..

5 posted on 06/25/2013 4:39:21 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: camle

Juror B29 got it and thought it was funny.


6 posted on 06/25/2013 4:39:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: camle

Agreed! It was so horribly delivered also that the cringe level was sky high!


7 posted on 06/25/2013 4:44:34 AM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: M-cubed

None of the media want to deal with the thug’s 7 Eleven picture as it would eliminate a thousand of their prejudicial words which nobody would then read and probably don’t anyway.


8 posted on 06/25/2013 4:45:42 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: M-cubed

You wouldn’t know it by reading the Bangor Daily News in Maine!!!!.....completely slanted and with the obligatory pic of “12 yr old” Trayvon....


And the people who only get their news from sources like that are going to be even more shocked when Z is acquitted as we were when OJ was. ;-)


9 posted on 06/25/2013 4:45:58 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Juror B29 got it and thought it was funny.


I think he was sending a message that was received loud and clear. I’m not sure, in the long run, it made enemies in the jury. It was almost a “private ‘wink,wink’” comment to the jury.

IOW, his doing it is growing on me.


10 posted on 06/25/2013 4:47:37 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Here is something very interesting. The Timeline that will be the undoing of the state’s case — among other things:

http://gzdocs.com/documents/opening_graphics/timeline.jpg


11 posted on 06/25/2013 4:49:01 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Ray can shoot skeet,,He just wouldnt be that goot at it


12 posted on 06/25/2013 4:51:00 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: cuban leaf

The thing to watch in court with the prosecutor is who and what they leave out and don’t say.

It would be interesting for the defense to present No Limit’s profanity laden facebook posts and ask the jurors if using the state’s same standard those are evidence of Martin’s hostility and depraved mind leading to the beatdown.


13 posted on 06/25/2013 4:57:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Thanks for the ping.


14 posted on 06/25/2013 5:06:01 AM PDT by sport
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Hearing about to begin — half hour early.


15 posted on 06/25/2013 5:29:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: camle

Knock knock joke stupid all right, but if the jurors are swayed by that to a guilty verdict, when they otherwise would have opted for not guilty, will mean they are more stupid than the joke.


16 posted on 06/25/2013 5:43:13 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Hmm. Now how could W8 have been talking with TM about events as they happened during a time there was no connection...


17 posted on 06/25/2013 5:49:38 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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ClickOrlando just noted Crump’s appearance on Anderson Cooper last night and wondered what part of “sequestration” that he does not understand. It was a blatant violation of the court rules and expects it to be dealt with today in court.


18 posted on 06/25/2013 5:50:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

If they allow Z state of mind/ past history , why can’t they use TMs?
TMs is much more damaging IMO


19 posted on 06/25/2013 5:51:45 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Time line contradict pros opening argument


20 posted on 06/25/2013 5:53:21 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then!)
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To: cuban leaf; camle; MNDude

>> I think he was sending a message that was received loud and clear.

+1

IMHO Zimmerman is blessed with an excellent defense team.

If any of y’all (not meaning you, c.l.) complaining about their opening comments would consider instead doing something that might actually be helpful, how about...

>> Pray for Zimmerman’s defense team, that GOD bless them with extraordinary wisdom and the right words at the right time;
>> Pray for the jury, that they remain attentive and dismiss from their minds all prejudice and focus on the defense presentation, and have the wisdom and fortitude to make the right decision, without regard to the decision the “community” wants or expects
>> Pray for Judge Nelson, that she put aside all thoughts of political correctness and the influence of the prosecution “system” and deliver righteous justice.
>> Pray for George Zimmerman, and his longsuffering family, that GOD give them strength to endure to the end and faith that justice will be done.

PRAYER is effective. Second guessing and armchair quarterbacking are not particularly helpful at this time.

Thanks and may GOD bless you


21 posted on 06/25/2013 5:55:43 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Chewbarkah

After GZ’s NEN call ends, the DeeDee call continues for 2 minutes — then within 30 seconds of that DeeDee call ending the first 911 call is made. It would seem as if DeeDee was listening to the early part of the beatdown.


22 posted on 06/25/2013 6:00:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: hoosiermama

If they bring in Z’s bad acts, then the defense can bring in Z’s good acts, but they can’t then just go after TM’s bad acts, unless the prosecution brings up TM’s good acts.

But then again IANAL.


23 posted on 06/25/2013 6:06:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Last night I saw Mark Fuhrman say the beating was not that bad. How bad does it have to get before you can defend yourself?


24 posted on 06/25/2013 6:20:45 AM PDT by freedomrings69
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Diana Tennis:

Did I hear Ben Crump was on TV last night while under sequestration? Someone tell me that is urban myth.


25 posted on 06/25/2013 6:23:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: freedomrings69

Fuhrman bears part of the responsibility for the O.J.Simpson verdict. I guess he would say that was not “that bad” either.


26 posted on 06/25/2013 6:28:26 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Now Mantei is arguing that allowing this evidence in does not show state of mind that night BUT state of mind not that night.

He wants to present evidence of what the evidence was not.

Is he for real???


27 posted on 06/25/2013 6:32:54 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Less than 200 showed up last night at the NAACP’s big event:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/06/25/oh-my-the-bloom-is-way-off-the-ruse-way-way-off-it-appears-the-truth-has-surfaced/


28 posted on 06/25/2013 6:55:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Entering the 2/26/2012 911 calls into evidence


29 posted on 06/25/2013 7:05:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

What did the judge rule? All the calls can be submitted to the jury?


30 posted on 06/25/2013 7:06:10 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Fawn

entered into evidence


31 posted on 06/25/2013 7:13:45 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Wendy Dorival up — was the Neighborhood Watch coordinator for SPD that GZ dealt with.


32 posted on 06/25/2013 7:15:50 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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eyes and ears

not to follow or to confront


33 posted on 06/25/2013 7:19:02 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

34 posted on 06/25/2013 7:20:23 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Uncle Chip

35 posted on 06/25/2013 7:24:06 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m so glad there’s a thread! I thought I looked thoroughly but...guess not :)


36 posted on 06/25/2013 7:39:43 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Uncle Chip

One general comment I’d make on this case....even though I’m very strongly inclined to believe Zimmerman’s story rather than Slick Al Sharpton’s if I was juror and Zimmerman failed to testify I’d find that *very* disturbing and would hold that against him.If I was on trial for a “murder” that I know I didn’t commit (including issues of self defense) there’s not a defense lawyer on earth who could convince me not to testify and there’s not a prosecutor on earth whose questions I would fear.OTOH,if I was guilty there’s no way I’d testify because I’m not nearly a good enough liar...a good enough actor...to outsmart a prosecutor of even average skills.


37 posted on 06/25/2013 7:40:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: JoeProBono

Looking at Z’s injuries, I just realized what happened!

When George shot Trayvon, the recoil caused the gun to hit him in the nose, bloodying it. That caused him to fall backwards on the concrete and he banged up the back of his head.

/s


38 posted on 06/25/2013 7:41:33 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Uncle Chip
“Vigilante police”??? Absolutely irrelevant.
39 posted on 06/25/2013 7:41:39 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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Perimeter access issues and bad lighting was brought up to the HOA president O’Brien —


40 posted on 06/25/2013 7:42:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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The prosecution obviously doesn’t want images of a hispanic supporting GZ...

‘Zimmerman’s parents barred from courtroom...’

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/24/Zimmerman-parents-courtroom


41 posted on 06/25/2013 7:42:54 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Uncle Chip
Home invasion burglary? Sounds *damn* serious to me!
42 posted on 06/25/2013 7:43:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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The prosecution obviously doesn’t want images of a hispanic supporting GZ...

‘Mystery girl to testify in Trayvon Martin murder case’

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE95O0FR20130625


43 posted on 06/25/2013 7:44:25 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Uncle Chip

What’s happening now? Sorry unable to access trial from where I’m located...just my PC.


44 posted on 06/25/2013 7:52:00 AM PDT by snarkytart
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To: snarkytart

Don West (defense) is questioning Wendy, the person heading up neighborhood watch. She is the one that ran the class for GZ I believe.

It’s my opinion that she is NOT a good witness for the prosecution, even though she is their witness.


45 posted on 06/25/2013 7:53:36 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: snarkytart

Wendy on cross examination is turning into a good witness for Zimmerman


46 posted on 06/25/2013 7:54:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Nervous Tick
IMHO Zimmerman is blessed with an excellent defense team . . . PRAYER is effective. Second guessing and armchair quarterbacking are not particularly helpful at this time.

I was undecided on the quality of his team, but with prayer on his side I'll agree with you. God's team will win, and I will pray for Him to help Zimmerman's team.

47 posted on 06/25/2013 7:56:26 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Nervous Tick

juries quite often return verdicts based not upon the evidence, but upon emotions, and their opinion of the litigants. witness the OJ simpson trial. there is a name for this: jury nullification. if you start off by implying that the jury is ignorant, or even stupid, you tend to create a ‘horn effect’ (opposite of halo effect) in the minds of the jury.
nothing brilliant about telling the jury that you think they’re ignorant


48 posted on 06/25/2013 7:57:19 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: snarkytart

Sybrina Fulton sinking down in her seat.


49 posted on 06/25/2013 8:00:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Gay State Conservative

Jurors always seem to hold it against the defendant when they do not testify. I hope he does too. He has nothing to hide.


50 posted on 06/25/2013 8:02:06 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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