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Why The August Recess Should Scare Immigration Reform Backers: GOP worried about town hall protests
National Journal ^ | June 24, 2013 | Reid Wilson

Posted on 06/25/2013 4:47:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Immigration reform-backing Republicans are concerned that town hall protests could derail support for the immigration legislation.

Advocates of immigration reform, who once hoped to have a bill on President Obama's desk before Congress leaves for their annual August recess, should be nervously checking the calendar. If the House and Senate adjourn before a bill is finished, members will begin feeling pressure, especially from conservative critics who think the bill amounts to little more than amnesty.

Immigration reform backers need only recall four years ago, when the August recess gave rise to scenes of angry protests at town hall meetings across the country, protests that effectively ended any hope Democrats had of winning Republican support for comprehensive health care reform.

Six months into Obama's first term in office, Democrats held out hope that they could fashion a bipartisan agreement on health care reform. Sen. Max Baucus, the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, was working closely with Sen. Chuck Grassley, the committee's ranking member. Obama himself was assiduously wooing Sen. Olympia Snowe, who seemed open to reform. And White House officials believed they could find areas of common ground with dozens of Republicans in the House to form a truly bipartisan set of reforms.

Then came August, when conservative protesters who affiliated themselves with the nascent Tea Party movement descended upon town hall meetings held by members of Congress from both sides of the aisle. Democrats were on the defensive while Republicans, who might have once considered supporting a compromise, realized the level of anger their base felt over the bill.....

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; gop; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; immigration; obama; republicans; teaparty
Good.
1 posted on 06/25/2013 4:47:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Good point, especially after the Senate passes this monstrosity.
2 posted on 06/25/2013 4:48:47 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Obama himself was assiduously wooing Sen. Olympia Snowe, who seemed open to reform."

This guy shouldn't be a reporter, he should be writing for the soaps or romance novels. Who do they think they are actually writing for?

3 posted on 06/25/2013 4:58:18 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (The Stupid Party, they've earned it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I keep hearing that the House will ignore the Senate bill and do their own version.

WHY ??? Why not ignore the issue **entirely**: nothing gets passed, there can be no “conference report”, and the Senate bill dies on the vine. . .

Pass a resolution, on a party-line vote, demanding the immediate and full enforcement of the CURRENT immigration laws. ALL of them. . .


4 posted on 06/25/2013 4:59:53 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Salgak

Makes perfect sense to me.


5 posted on 06/25/2013 5:04:20 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Simple, they cancel all town halls like Dingell did. Or they will only address “friendy” crowds with limited publicity. Dingell did that with a group of Pro-Obamacare Doctors in Ann Arbor with little or no advertising, I only stumbled upon it in a very target market newspaper. Watch for the same motus-operundi, even from “our” side....


6 posted on 06/25/2013 5:12:52 AM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Salgak

Why can’t we sue Obama for failing to enforce current laws?


7 posted on 06/25/2013 5:15:37 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Remember folks, when you go to the ‘town hall meetings’, bring your old produce from the chiller drawer!!


8 posted on 06/25/2013 5:22:07 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Town hall protests ...”

Otherwise known as the voice of the People.


9 posted on 06/25/2013 5:24:03 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: taildragger

DE rep and sens, bought and paid for by Bank of America, won’t meet with constituents unless they control the crowd.

We keep selecting people who a) think they are superior to us; b)don’t give two hoots in hell about their constituents; c) think they are selected to push their own agenda; and d) are dumber than rocks.

I have made it a practice to call them by their first name only, as they are not worthy of respect.


10 posted on 06/25/2013 5:36:37 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Salgak

Democrats will pan it as “mass deportations” which is widely seen as unworkable and unrealistic, not to mention cruel. The GOP candidates have not been effective at answering “what do you want to do with the 11 million?” They could answer with “enforce the law,” but then the reporter will ask “So, deport them all, even the DREAMers and the grandmothers? How about parents of US Citizen children?” The LIEberal media loves a sob story, and this is perfect for them because it gives them fodder to make accusations of racism, heartlessness etc to assail conservatives with during the election.

The House ought to try to get as many concessions as it can from the Pelosites, and then let a bill pass. Then let the socialists own it. It’s their mess and they have to explain it to the American people.


11 posted on 06/25/2013 5:48:12 AM PDT by LoneRangerTX
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My family’s town hall voice will be heard in the voting booth, mostly.


12 posted on 06/25/2013 5:56:04 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: taildragger

Our side is actually the one we need to look out for. Just look at the comments from pubbie staffers that are reported in the article. They seem to be hungrily looking for ways to avoid town hall meetings as much as many of the DemonCraps.


13 posted on 06/25/2013 6:12:48 AM PDT by libstripper (A)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They will just screen the town hall meetings more.

As I have said, the GOP fears the TEA party more than anyone else.


14 posted on 06/25/2013 6:27:51 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Salgak

Whatever version the House writes will be gutted and re-written by the Senate and voted into law.

Dont these people ever learn??? And why do we need reform at all?? Expel these trespassers or use force if they dont comply.


15 posted on 06/25/2013 6:30:43 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Probably why the Admin is pushing to have this wrapped up in the Senate before they go on their sabbatical.
16 posted on 06/25/2013 6:34:39 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

My point exactly. If the House does NOTHING AT ALL. . . .”Immigration Reform” dies. . .


17 posted on 06/25/2013 6:38:25 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are slowly but surely isolating themselves from the unwanted input of lowly constituents.

-They don’t answer phones.
-They send canned email responses.
-Letters to them sit in some anthrax decontamination facility in Virginia for 4 to 6 months
-I suspect damned few of them will be holding town halls

They wish to be left unmolested within the confines of the Beltway to rule over us.


18 posted on 06/25/2013 7:22:31 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: LoneRangerTX

Democrats will pan it as “mass deportations” which is widely seen as unworkable and unrealistic, not to mention cruel. The GOP candidates have not been effective at answering “what do you want to do with the 11 million?” They could answer with “enforce the law,” but then the reporter will ask “So, deport them all, even the DREAMers and the grandmothers? How about parents of US Citizen children?” The LIEberal media loves a sob story, and this is perfect for them because it gives them fodder to make accusations of racism, heartlessness etc to assail conservatives with during the election.

My Answer to the reporter, ask them if they go and trespass on a military base or any other federal property if they should get a slap on the wrist or should they have the book thrown at them even if they have a family...


19 posted on 06/25/2013 8:00:24 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I may be late to the party, again, but if a bill isn’t passed before congress goes on recess, what is preventing Zero from issuing one of his famous “executive orders” making this law?


20 posted on 06/25/2013 8:31:28 AM PDT by rhubarbk
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To: Salgak
Why?
1. So as not to pi$$ off hispanics more than necessary.
2. Real reform is necessary (but not the Senate Bill) because we now have de facto amnesty, e.g., no deportation, welfare going to illegals.
21 posted on 06/25/2013 8:49:15 AM PDT by expat2
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To: expat2

1. Hispanic CITIZENS are rather pissed at illegals. In any case, the mythical “Hispanic vote” wouldn’t have won us the election anyway.

2. We HAD reform in 2006. President Jugears merely refuses to enforce EXISTING law. . .


22 posted on 06/25/2013 8:54:30 AM PDT by Salgak (http://catalogoftehburningstoopid.blogspot.com 100% all-natural snark !)
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To: Salgak

Don’t disagree. However, the issue is not current hispanic citizens, but the future ones. As long as we give the children of illegals automatic citizenship, that is an issue.
Exactly right on #2, but nothing to be done short of impeachment.


23 posted on 06/25/2013 9:32:34 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Buckeye McFrog

They don’t come home they go on vacation to Bermuda and such.


24 posted on 06/25/2013 10:03:47 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Salgak

I wish I could scream the following from roof top’s, but do not seem to have the ability to make it widely known; “If you control the dialogue, you control the issue”.

RINO’s and libs control gained control of the issue when they, unchallenged - merged the invasion of our southern border into an immigration issue! Understand that, and we can understand how Americans have been duped. THIS WAS NEVER ABOUT IMMIGRATION, but now Obama and his predecessors, ignoring their few actual Constitutional mandates - protecting the USA borders - is magically legitimized as feel good political dogma.

For conservatives to regain the issue, we MUST regain the dialogue! This is ONLY about America being invaded by a foreign country; Mexico. Resolve this invasion alone! If people wish to tweak our immigration policy, then do so separately. Immigration is important - but totally unrelated to what’s happening on our sothern borders!


25 posted on 06/25/2013 10:47:11 AM PDT by ragamuffin (Fed up)
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To: LoneRangerTX; sickoflibs; TheOldLady; Cheerio; Buckeye McFrog; All

” The House ought to try to get as many concessions as it can from the Pelosites, and then let a bill pass. Then let the socialists own it. It’s their mess and they have to explain it to the American people.”

DESTROY THE COUNTRY, JUST SO WE CAN SAY “I TOLD YOU SO”?

NO THANK YOU!

One month here, eh?


26 posted on 06/25/2013 12:10:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: LoneRangerTX; Salgak; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”The House ought to try to get as many concessions as it can from the Pelosites, and then let a bill pass. Then let the socialists own it. It’s their mess and they have to explain it to the American people.”

I have to disagree with BOTH of you even though you two both disagreed with each other.

1) letting a amnesty bill pass out of House makes millions of new Dem voters as new citizens, so I dont see how that punishes Dems. Its win-win for them, a disaster for us. Dem voters will just blame the GOP if amnesty is passed and goes bad,

2) The house GOP doing ‘nothing’ doesn't mean that nothing gets passed. Twice this year the House GOPs couldn't agree on their own bill so Bohner just put up the Dem Senate bill up for a House vote and got it Obama’s desk.

So the House creating mini-bills that violates the Senate's evil agreements in their massive bill seems like the worst of the evils.

27 posted on 06/25/2013 12:27:35 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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RE :”One month here, eh?”

LOL, One month here and he suggests that we beat Dems by giving them what they want, millions of new Dem voters.

that's OK, I always say the place gets boring if everyone agrees. More fun to have a live one from time to time.
Like my family's Tomcat catching mice.

28 posted on 06/25/2013 12:31:39 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs

New concept.....win by losing everything for all time!


29 posted on 06/25/2013 12:37:08 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“DESTROY THE COUNTRY, JUST SO WE CAN SAY “I TOLD YOU SO”?

NO THANK YOU!

One month here, eh?”

Rand Paul put forth the idea on taxes, saying let the Senate dims raise them and then own the outcome. It’s Kissinger-esque but the dims play the same game. They want real reform to fail so they can have a political attack talking point to hit the GOP with in 2016. We can do the same, pass a bill and then flog them with it.

Guys like Mickey Kaus on the left even don’t want this amnesty. Dims have overreached to appease La Raza, they are hoping this fails so they can start blaming the GOP.


30 posted on 06/25/2013 12:42:16 PM PDT by LoneRangerTX
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Losing the battle to win the war! It’s really the only political argument for this bill at this point.


31 posted on 06/25/2013 1:05:30 PM PDT by LoneRangerTX
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To: LoneRangerTX
The House ought to try to get as many concessions as it can from the Pelosites, and then let a bill pass.

Bad idea, there will be no undoing it and Aztlan will no longer be just a dream.

32 posted on 06/25/2013 1:41:13 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And?

There were all kinds of angry Town Halls against Obamacare.

And most of those incumbents easily won re-election.

Why would they care now?

If I were a liberal living in Washington, I’d be wiping my ass with everyone too.


33 posted on 06/25/2013 1:45:48 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: rhubarbk

Obama has already ordered a back door amnesty for the “Dreamers.” Nary a peep came from the Reps. Essentially 1.8 million have had their status legalized and given work permits.


34 posted on 06/29/2013 7:14:32 AM PDT by kabar
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