Skip to comments.In Defense of Paula Deen: Who decides which words, said in private decades ago, are firing offense?
Posted on 06/25/2013 8:24:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
If the bleak reckoning of Reputation.coms Howard Bragman is to be believed, Paula Deen will survive her recent ordeal, but she will never be whole again.
This is because, in the choice words of Bill Maher, she f****d up. Court documents revealed last week show Deen being asked under oath whether she had used the N-word before. Yes, of course, she replied, although its been a very long time. For this admission, the Food Network fired her.
Immediately prior to her dismissal, Deen made what was tantamount to a hostage video, in which, per the Huffington Post, she was shown close to tears and begging forgiveness from fans and critics troubled by her admission to having used racial slurs in the past. Thus it was confirmed that, at some point in her life, Paula Deen has said some bad words out loud.
One might ask, So what? Many people have said bad things before. Is the admission of having once said an offensive word really sufficient justification for punishment in the here and now? Being humans and not computers, we will not last long as a society if we throw aside judgment, context, and mercy, merely to scan sentences for bad data and then gang up to punish the accused. If we are to purge everybody who steps slightly out of line, who among us will survive? There are certainly Good words and Bad words, but linguistic intent matters, as Matthiass executioner learns in Life of Brian.
Matthias: Look, I dont think it should be a sin, just for saying Jehovah. (Everyone gasps.)
Jewish Official: Youre only making it worse for yourself!
Matthias: Making it worse? How can it be worse? Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!
Jewish official: Im warning you! If you say Jehovah one more time (gets hit with rock) RIGHT! Who did that? Come on, who did it?
Stoners: He! He did! He!
Jewish official: Was it you?
Jewish official: Right
Stoner: Well you did say Jehovah. (Crowd throws rocks at the stoner.)
Timing matters, too. As Fox reported, Deens termination will likely have at least one severe consequence:
Her staff is probably out, most production employment contracts are written to say that if production ceases, their jobs come to an end unless you get a guaranteed pay or play deal, television executive Lonnie Burstein, Executive Vice-President Programming at Debmar Mercury said. But its no different to any other show getting canceled. Its the nature of the business.
Thats not really true, is it? For a start, Deen was is still, maybe extremely popular. This was not a commercial failure, Deens fan base did not disappear, and she did not die. More important: Deen didnt say anything offensive on air or, for that matter, even recently. As it stands, the accusations that landed her in court are unproven. If Deens employer judged that something she said on her show was damaging to the company, that would be one thing, although Im still in favor of considerable latitude here making jokes or rap records is not the same thing as hurling insults, and the public and private domains are separate. But dragging up things that she may or may not have said at some point in her pre-television past and canceling her show based on blunt pressure from certain quarters? Yes, that is pretty much different to any other show getting canceled.
One imagines that theres another reason that the likes of Bill Maher took exception to the firing. According to the New York Times, in the course of denying that she had told racial jokes, Deen,
stated that most jokes are about Jews, gay people, black people and rednecks. I cant, myself, determine what offends another person, she said.
Indeed, she cannot. Nor can I, and nor can you. Therein lies the problem with elevating offense above all considerations. Because offense is in the eye of the beholder, it is, like unprovable accusations of witchcraft, ripe to be weaponized. People shouldnt have to lose their shows and go away when they do something bad, Maher complained on Friday. Its just a word. Its a wrong word. She was wrong to use it. But do we always have to make people go away? One sincerely hopes not. Coming from a family that is a mix of white, black, and Asian, I would be unable honestly to promise a court of law that I had not said offensive words in the past albeit I used them exclusively in jest or in parody and nor would anyone else in my family. Should National Review fire me for this confession?
Maher was heavily criticized in 2011 when he referred to Sarah Palin as a c**t. He has also referred to special-needs children as retards, and he routinely mocks Christianity and other beliefs that are dear to large swathes of the population. As recently as this week, he dismissed half the country as rednecks. Again: So what? Thats his prerogative. If you dont like it, then dont watch his show. If his audience doesnt like it, theyll stop watching, too and the show will go away of its own accord. On Friday, Mahers guest, Bob Herbert, who is black, said, [N****r] is the line . . . Nobody should be using that word. Sure, nobody should use be using that word. But why is that word the line? Why not retard or queer? Who decides?
Freedom of speech is not a license to say anything anywhere without consequence but a check against government. As Paula Deen has no right to work at the Food Network, her rights have not been violated. But to be healthy, a country needs more than merely a prohibition against government overreach; it also needs a strong culture of free expression. Our tendency to disqualify people categorically on the basis of a single indiscretion is ugly and destructive. Perhaps Columbia Universitys John McWhorter is correct to argue that because Deen was already a twenty-something when the old racist order broke down, she will prove unable to utterly expunge the Souths old assumptions and should thus be forgiven and given her job back. Perhaps he is wrong and Deen has honestly changed and moved beyond whatever mistakes she made in the past. Either way, this is irrelevant to the matter at hand. Are we really to extirpate everybody possessed of a checkered past however small and then push them into the naughty corner for perpetuity? What is the statute of limitations on the use of anachronistic language?
And what explains our inconsistent application of this principle? I have little time for those who cant see the difference between Kanye Wests using the N-word and a racists hurling it at an African American in anger. But how about those who have made genuinely disparaging comments and survived? Jesse Jackson remains at large despite his use of the word hymie to describe Jews and his description of New York as Hymietown; Robert Byrd managed to say n****r on national television in 2004 while serving as a United States senator; Al Sharpton referred to Socrates and them Greek homos to dismiss the ancients; Joe Biden believes that you cannot go to a 7-Eleven or Dunkin Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent; and Marion Barry recently contended that we got to do something about these Asians coming in and opening up businesses and dirty shops. What about them?
Tu quoque arguments are as fallacious in these instances as they ever were. That these people said these things does not excuse Paula Deen. But there is a definite double standard here, and one that is particularly peculiar given that Deen was an entertainer with a show on the Food Network while the speakers listed above work in government or in politics.
If the accusations that pushed Paula Deen into court in the first place are true, she deserves to be fired and excluded from polite society. Among other things, Deen is accused of paying blacks less than whites; her brother is accused of telling one worker you dont have any civil rights here; and another family member, it is claimed, repeatedly called an employee my little monkey. But these are allegations and nothing more accusations from a woman who not only cannot seem to keep her testimony straight but who started out by sending an inflammatory letter seeking over a million dollars and promising Deen a chance to salvage a brand that can continue to have value. Deen strenuously denies the claims. It should go without saying that until such time as she is convicted, she is innocent. In the meantime, is it wise for us to pull her and her brand down because of something she may or may not have said privately in the 1980s?
Charles C. W. Cooke is a staff writer at National Review.
This is the damage that the information age will do.
I went to college and got a degree so that I could write software so, in some very small way, I’m part of the information revolution that will make it possible for us to record every single little mistake anyone ever made in their life.
I regret my career choice for this reason. I want out of this business because it’s turning into something monstrous :(
Looks like the msm is the great determiner of who stays and who goes. Drop a dime on someone with a mere accusation and they are dust. No facts needed. On the contrary, could she not have used the administrations meme of “That happened a long time ago so what difference does it make now anyway?”. So far it’s workin’ for them.
Technology is like guns.....it’s what people do with it...can be used for good, or it can be used for evil.
remember the old SNL skit with Garett (sp?) Morris trying out for the prison tallent show? It was the original cast.
Today that would be just a taranteno movie script.
Admittedly I have used the word.
Admittedly I still do for those who deserve it.
There are Black people, and there are -—That word./
They know who they are.
“Who decides which words, said in private decades ago, are firing offense?”
Apparently Jesse Hi-Jackson/FatBoy Al Sharpton.
Everyone else is, unquestioning, expected to fall in line.
We’re all told we are racists anyway. N word is used in everday speech in the black/rap community, so why shouldn’t everyone start using it? “It’s just a word”, like they say...
This is all such BS. Go into the inner city and one of the most used terms among black Americans in the N word, not to mention its common use in rap.
I’m thinking the advertisers told food network they would not appear on Paula Deens show and this was the final straw that lead to her firing. Deen would still be there after her apologies and mea culpas if not for the advertisers..... Who made her rich and have now unmade her
I wonder if Senator Robert Byrd was ever asked under oath if he ever said The “N” word???? Would he have been fired?????
Technology is like guns.....its what people do with it...can be used for good, or it can be used for evil.
All tools made by mankind that can be used for evil, will be used for evil at some point. The problem with information technology is that it is far more dangerous than simple firearms could ever hope to be.
Like I said, I want out of this business.
Well, I don’t know. I think this action had more to do with the malicious evil in someone’s HEART than anything else. They could have found this out without “technology” seemingly. This is just pure unforgiving tyrannical evil IMO ...
I did not and do not watch SNL..I do know the black so called comedians do make fun of whites and also call them names..and I do not think they are kidding..
nobody who was alive during the 60-70’s period can truthfully say they never used that word. it was a common as anything back then. some used it as an epithet, but most simply as a label.
are we gonna go and punish people retro-actively now?
and are we gonna seek out white people for punishment, since it seems to be OK for blacks to use the word? how about asians? hispanics? mixed race? who can use the word and who cannot?
if we’re gonna go on witch hunts, we’re gonna need a scorecard here
RE: Would he have been fired?????
How do you fire a senator? The only way he gets fired is to NOT vote for him. Well, the folks at West Virginia keep voting him in. So in a sense, He never gets fired.
I love it when the leftist mobs start eating their own. Hey Paula, put some extra butter on it!
You can write drivers for special purpose hardware using those skills. You don't have to do data-base mining that has questionable applications.
The government is collecting many words of Americans. Which one will hang you?
Not arguing... just pointing out that you aren’t exactly at ground zero for a lateral move, although you would be in some completely different field.
The employer decides, as it should be.
If every word I spoke about odumbo were recalled, you would never see me again. I would be locked in a dungeon someplace where no one would ever hear of me again. Freedom of speech? We don’t need no stinken freedom of speech now that we have odumbo.
In order to remove someone from congress, you would have to rely on a process which is called impeachment or a “motion of no confidence”.
I remember my grandmother had to be retrained to go from “that word” to Negro and sometimes she slipped. She played cards with black women, never treated anyone any different that I ever saw (this was Georgia). She just used the word as a differentiation to white people.
She never understood how it was bad. Maybe that was bad in itself, but she didn’t mean the word as hateful in her own heart.
I know that sounds ridiculous given all the movies and TV shows showing southern people and their ‘hatred’ of black people, but it is her truth.
If words are too horrific for whites to say, how can can it be OK for blacks to say those same words with impunity?
Do some words have different meanings depending on the race of the person saying those words?
In a language, the purpose of a word is to convey a thought from one person to another. Can a word convey a different thought depending on the race of the person saying the word?
Yes, according to current politically correct thinking, the meaning of some words depends entirely on the race of the person saying those words.
Are there any other words out there that white people are forbidden to say under any circumstances, and if so, what is the statute of limitations on this crime?
Inquiring minds want to know.
there are only 2 kinds of racists,the ones that lie about and the ones that admit it.
There is a certain segment of the population that goes around desperately seeking the slightest hint of anything that can possibly be distorted to be of a racial nature. Most of these people are blacks. They have been raised so long in the false narrative that whites oppress black, and yet find no supporting evidence of this false narrative, that they'r desperate to produce something that justifies their belief even if they have to manufacture slurs where none exist. And this doesn't even get into the fact that no one was harmed by these words. offended maybe, but to win a judgment the usual standard is that you have to show that you've been harmed. Now if the shakedown artist whose trying to screw over Deen were fired because she was black and ONLY because she was black, then that would be a different matter.
Oh and for the record Paula Deen and her porky offspring annoy the daylights out of me. I can't stand to watch them, but I still think this is ridiculous and a criminal libel of her reputation.
Any white person over the age of fifty has “used the N-word” in the past.
The lawyer who posed that question to Ms. Deen’s is a totally unprincipled POS (sorry about being redundant)
The people at the Food Network are below contempt for their knee-jerk sacrifice of Deen’s at the holier-than-thou altar of political correctness.
You mean other than the media?
It’s how the MSM works.
If she'd been black, no problemo, amigo.
I’d like to fire people for using the F word.
The race is on between North Korea and the Caliphate to determine who the US becomes.
I just heard Paula has been picked up by the DHS and is being transported to a “Re-education Camp”.
There is no justice in this. Non-minorities can be accused of anything at all and are automatically guilty.
Minorities can say anything and are automatically innocent.
If these idiots are not stopped, we’re ALL headed there.
Recent events here have caused me to become more than a little interested in the history of Nazi Germany.
That interest has drawn me to some of the films made of that sad period. Schindler’s List, Surviving Hitler, Sophie Scholl, Downfall, Auschwitz: Inside the Nazi State and others.
But the film that jelled my alleged mind and brought me to this attempt to relate those events with what is happening here was Der Letzte Zug (The Last Train) depicting in excruciating detail the nearly week-long trip to Auschwitz of the last Jews forced from Berlin. Confined in sealed cattle cars with no food and water, they plotted largely futile escape attempts as, one-by-one, the weakest among them died.
As I watched, I sought to understand the common thread(s) that set them on a course to their premature graves at the hands of Hitler and his minions.
There were many.
One was the economic destruction of post WWI Germany by the Treaty of Versailles. Its punitive reparations made conditions ripe for the rise of the Nazis and their promises. In fact, some historians believe that Versailles was intentionally designed by those who profit from such activities to sow the seeds for Hitler and WWII. That is, however, a topic for another day.
Another element necessary for the Holocaust was Hitler’s disarmament of the civilian population. Though the compliant Germans allowed that disarmament to begin in 1919 and intensify in 1928, it became draconian when the Nazis took total control.
And, of course, the Antisemitism present then and now in Europe played a large role as most of their non-Jewish neighbors ignored the growing persecution that began in early 1933.
The historical Prussian mindset of Jews and non-Jews alike was to trust and obey those in charge of the state apparatus. It goes without saying that that is a more or less universal characteristic of populations living under elected governments. After the chaos of the Wiemar Republic, many of them saw Hitler as a savior, exacerbating the problem.
This brings me to THE element that I believe caused so many Jews to meekly submit to the homicidal madness: Their notion that, despite the rumors, whispers and, ultimately, the outright verbalization of that madness by their elected leaders, THAT could never happen here.
THAT could never happen here is perhaps the most dangerous phrase in ANY language especially for us here in America at this time.
If you have been paying attention, you must see numerous parallels between Hitler’s Germany and Obama’s Amerika. (Misspelling intentional.)
Admit it or not, Obama, his minions and handlers are doing all they can to drive the unemployment rate higher, causing increasingly desperate men and woman to further swell government payrolls. Hitler put many desperate Germans into his Brown Shirts, SS, regular military, etc.
Though some of Obama’s supporters the small numbers with functioning brains are losing faith in him, a frightening number of them still worship him and would unquestioningly support just about anything he proposed if the free goodies keep coming their way and he assured them that only his and their enemies were to be reeducated or eliminated.
What these pseudo-intellectuals fail or refuse to grasp is that history teaches that even if THEY are one of those who gets a seat near the throne of their new leader, they, too, are in peril. Once firmly in power, said leader has a distressing tendency to not only purge the population of his opponents but eventually gets around to any among those who helped him to that power he perceives to be less than sufficiently worshipful and/or possesses sufficient intellectual firepower to challenge him. Think Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot and, of course, Hitler.
Fortunately for freedom here, Obama’s efforts to DISARM us have stalled FOR NOW! All that is keeping him in check is his understanding that to make his final play before doing so would be to put his life and the lives of his inner circle and handlers at serious risk.
If you are STILL not convinced that this fellow has sinister plans for those who dare to oppose him, please view the short video at the link below. (For those with short memories, Bill Ayers is despite Ayers’ comments about drones STILL one of Obama’s closest associates and is believed to have authored Obama’s book). Ayers founded the Weather Underground mentioned in the video.
As you watch it, remember that when that meeting occurred, our population was approximately 250 million. 25 million would have represented 10%. Come forward to our current population of approximately 315 million and that 10% would equal 31.5 million of us.
That COULD explain the billions of hollow point bullets now being delivered to Big Sis and her cohorts at Faterlandt Security.
There people are as SERIOUS AS A HEART ATTACK!
But THAT could never happen here, right?
Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened
once in 6,000 years, may not happen again.
Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.
People who use the F word think they’re bring ‘cool’ or macho. They’re just being crude and low class. They turn me off immediately.
But “thou shalt not using the “N” word” is part of the liberal bible - a book that's replace the real Bible in the minds of elites..
Of course liberals are only concerned about 'not judging' when they're being judged...
“Any white person over the age of fifty has used the N-word in the past.”
And anyone who listens to rap music on the radio and sings along with the radio has said ‘nigger’ not to mention a lot of other words which, IMHO, are far worse.