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Mystery girl to testify in Trayvon Martin murder case
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE95O0FR20130625 ^

Posted on 06/25/2013 9:59:18 AM PDT by MNDude

Prosecutors in the Florida murder trial of neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman will reveal a star witness for the first time on Tuesday, the girl Trayvon Martin was talking with in the last minutes of his life.

The teenage girl, known as Witness #8 until now, was due to testify about what Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old shot and killed by Zimmerman last year, told her what he saw that night.

Identified in court on Monday only as Rachel, a friend of Martin from Miami, she received a running account about what was happening, starting when he noticed a man, Zimmerman, watching him in the gated central Florida community he was visiting.

Zimmerman, 29 and part Hispanic, was a neighborhood watch volunteer in the Retreat at Twin Lakes community in Sanford at the time of the February 26, 2012, killing. He has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder and could face life imprisonment if convicted.

The racially charged case triggered civil rights protests and debates about the treatment of black Americans in the U.S. justice system, since police did not arrest Zimmerman for 44 days.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
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DeeDee?
1 posted on 06/25/2013 9:59:18 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: MNDude

I’m sure that will be reliable testimony.


2 posted on 06/25/2013 10:00:00 AM PDT by schm0e ("we are in the midst of a coup.")
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To: MNDude

I’m not sure we have this linked anywhere but I’ve been watching the trial live here:

http://www.wtsp.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2384667563001


3 posted on 06/25/2013 10:02:47 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: MNDude
. . . since police did not arrest Zimmerman for 44 days.

Real balanced reporting here, eh?

No mention of the fact that they questioned him at length, multiple times and came to the same conclusion which the evidence showed: a clear case of self defense.

The arrest was purely a result of pressure for political theater.

4 posted on 06/25/2013 10:03:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MNDude

I predict that she will lie her ass off and the jurors will know it.


5 posted on 06/25/2013 10:03:30 AM PDT by forgotten man
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To: MNDude

What will happen to our mystery girl?

Defense: I’d like to cross-examine the witness? Ms. ______, isn’t it true that you have perjured yourself numerous times at the direction of the prosecution?


6 posted on 06/25/2013 10:04:15 AM PDT by struggle
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To: MNDude
"in the gated central Florida community he was visiting"...

for as yet unspecified reasons.
7 posted on 06/25/2013 10:05:50 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: MNDude

The state had 3 DeeDees and they had to play rock-paper-scissors to see who would take the short straw.


8 posted on 06/25/2013 10:06:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: MNDude

Is her name Tawana Brawley?


9 posted on 06/25/2013 10:08:32 AM PDT by Iron Munro (From nobody to senator, to Conservative savior,)
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To: forgotten man

I predict that she will lie her ass off and the jurors will know it.


Especially since she made a statement of record over a year ago. It tends to support Z.


10 posted on 06/25/2013 10:09:28 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MNDude

I’m curious how this isn’t excluded as hearsay. It’s what Trayvon supposedly told her was happening.


11 posted on 06/25/2013 10:10:05 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: MNDude

little is known about her. Yet, it is a certainty that her integrity is impeccable, and she is a respected pillar of society.


12 posted on 06/25/2013 10:10:30 AM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Martin was a student at a Miami-area high school and a guest of one of the homeowners.

More evidence of balance...Expelled student and Dad's girlfriend was not at home.

13 posted on 06/25/2013 10:12:18 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (We say "low-information" but we mean "low-intelligence")
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To: MNDude

She, like the rest of the black witnesses, will lie.


14 posted on 06/25/2013 10:14:03 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: MNDude; All

So does this mean ANYTHING on the cell phone can be brought into evidence by the defense since the plaintiffs have “opened the door”??

I hope the jury can THEN see ALL the pics and comments posted by “Lil’ Trayvon”.


15 posted on 06/25/2013 10:14:09 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MNDude

WOW! The first of the “Mystery” witnesses I have been predicting the prosecution will call to the stand. Interesting as she did not see the events that she relates. Thus, her proposed testimony is Hearsay. Granted her proposed testimony is Hearsay the next question would be is there an exception? There may be a “Spontaneous Statement” exception that applies to what she is saying thus allowing escape from the Hearsay Rule. A foundational question would be proof that Martin’s phone reflects a call to the Witness’ telephone number at the time of the events-if such record is possible to obtain.


16 posted on 06/25/2013 10:15:14 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: MNDude

..mystery girl?..maybe it’s Tawana Brawley


17 posted on 06/25/2013 10:16:41 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Sherman Logan

[[I’m curious how this isn’t excluded as hearsay. It’s what Trayvon supposedly told her was happening.]]

Assumedly because she could possibly hear what was goign on i nthe background- BUT I suspect the defense can argue there’s no way to tell whos voices were being heard by her in the backgound


18 posted on 06/25/2013 10:17:12 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: MNDude

If the defense is conscious, they will tear her apart on cross and show her for the LIAR she is.


19 posted on 06/25/2013 10:17:55 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: MNDude
Is it me or does the following statement tend to put a bias spin on this case :

The teenage girl, known as Witness #8 until now, was due to testify about what Martin, the unarmed black 17-year-old shot and killed by Zimmerman last year, told her what he saw that night.

Or what about this one:

Zimmerman, 29 and part Hispanic, was a neighborhood watch volunteer ...

Can anyone explain what his ethnic make up has to do with the case?

Zimmerman is being railroaded. This is truly a hi-tech lynching.

20 posted on 06/25/2013 10:18:34 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Vigilanteman

The media WAITED FOR ZIMMERMAN’S WOUNDS TO HEAL before publicizing this case. Bastards they are.


21 posted on 06/25/2013 10:18:50 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: MNDude

I’m sure she’s been under wraps, being coached on what the story is and how to give it convincingly. Another “Tawana Brawley” in the making...


22 posted on 06/25/2013 10:19:15 AM PDT by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Sounds like hearsay. They may try to grab Trayvon’s comments as “dying declaration” but I don’t think it would qualify at all. On the other hand, she might testify as to his emotional mood — “Did he sound frightened?”


23 posted on 06/25/2013 10:19:50 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

[[the next question would be is there an exception?]]

Only IF it supports the black person- ie: Not geroge zimmerman- We’ll see how hte court handles this which should tell us whether hte court is honest or not


24 posted on 06/25/2013 10:19:56 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Sherman Logan
I’m curious how this isn’t excluded as hearsay. It’s what Trayvon supposedly told her was happening.

Hearsay that occurs during the commission of an alleged crime can be allowed by the judge (Res gestae). There was a post about it yesterday, otherwise I never would have known about it.

25 posted on 06/25/2013 10:20:11 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: MNDude

Can we have the NSA confirm her account of the phone call?


26 posted on 06/25/2013 10:20:13 AM PDT by bird4four4 (God Damn America!!! - Mr. Wright, your prayer has been answered 11-4-08)
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To: Sherman Logan

It’s because there are a bazillion exceptions to the hearsay rule.


27 posted on 06/25/2013 10:20:18 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: CivilWarBrewing
If the defense is conscious

Perhaps the defense will open cross-examination with a knock-knock joke ...

28 posted on 06/25/2013 10:21:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Sherman Logan
I’m curious how this isn’t excluded as hearsay. It’s what Trayvon supposedly told her was happening.

I was wondering the same.
29 posted on 06/25/2013 10:21:17 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: bird4four4

[[Can we have the NSA confirm her account of the phone call?]]

Mysteriously that info went missing


30 posted on 06/25/2013 10:22:48 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: MNDude

George Zimmerman’s Lawyers Should Embrace Racial Profiling Rather Than Run From it.

http://www.crimefilenews.com/


31 posted on 06/25/2013 10:26:59 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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I’m stuned!! ‘Mystery Girl’ in the title and NO PICTURES from FReepers trying to cast some humor????


32 posted on 06/25/2013 10:27:51 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Support Free Republic!)
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To: CottShop

How can the judge dis-allow other parts of a cell phone call and allow this witneess to testify on cell phone convo?
I would also want to see the record of the phone call from her phone to T phone at time of non-crime>.


33 posted on 06/25/2013 10:29:39 AM PDT by Conserev1 ("Still Clinging to my Bible and my Weapon")
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To: struggle

34 posted on 06/25/2013 10:29:45 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: CivilWarBrewing

The defense is the John Boehner of criminal attorneys.


35 posted on 06/25/2013 10:30:36 AM PDT by Defiant (In the next rebellion, the rebels will be the ones carrying the American flag.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Dee Dee?

36 posted on 06/25/2013 10:32:04 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: forgotten man

Knowing that she is a friend of Martin’s, her testimony will not be reliable at all.


37 posted on 06/25/2013 10:34:15 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Another point of appeal.


38 posted on 06/25/2013 10:40:58 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: MNDude
The teenage girl, known as Witness #8 until now,
was due to testify about what Martin,
the unarmed black 17-year-old shot and killed by Zimmerman last year,
told her what he saw that night.

Who is the "he" here?
If it was Martin, was he talking to this mystery girl before or after he died? Or was he on the phone with her the whole time the alleged murder was taking place from start to finish?

Isn't this just "hearsay" anyway, if no one can corroborate what the alleged conversation was about.

39 posted on 06/25/2013 10:43:18 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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AEMILIUS PAULUS ~:” Thus, her proposed testimony is Hearsay. Granted her proposed testimony is Hearsay the next question would be is there an exception? There may be a “Spontaneous Statement” exception that applies to what she is saying thus allowing escape from the Hearsay Rule.”

All telphone communications are hearsay .
The fact that she is testifying about a phone call makes it even less legally binding ~ it is “second-hand hearsay”.
The credibility of her statments is only as accurate as her character .
One question I would want to ask ‘Dee Dee’/Rachel : Did Treyvon ever give you some jewelry ?


40 posted on 06/25/2013 10:47:52 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: MNDude

Rules of court will be that the Defense would have had this information. Will be interesting to see.


41 posted on 06/25/2013 10:56:53 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Sherman Logan

It’s an exception to the hearsay rule. It will come in under “present sense impression” or “excited utterance.” There are others but those will suffice.

While I don’t know the FL State rules, the exceptions to hearsay are pretty common across the board. Here’s a link to the Federal Rule which all the States pretty much follow. Hope that helps:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rule_803


42 posted on 06/25/2013 11:00:03 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: musicman

Problem with the cell phone is that while undergoing forensics by the prosecution, it mysteriously had most of it’s data deleted - Gee whiz, we’re so sorry and can’t imagine how that happened, wink, wink and we’re also sorry we, uh, forgot to give the phone to the defense for like forever. Just like so much of the manufactured lies and inuendoes in this case. Heck, the prosecution as lied on DeeDee’s age at least three times in their filings so it’s a guarantee she’s going to spew nothing but lies on the stand.


43 posted on 06/25/2013 11:11:37 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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Can anyone explain what his ethnic make up has to do with the case?

Since they got slapped down over portraying him as a big mean white racist dude, they have to play another angle. The stereotype for Hispanic is hot tempered so that's what caused him to shot a poor widdle defenseless kid who was doing nothing but walking home eating Skittles. Notice the msm stay far, far away from his grandma who was part black.

44 posted on 06/25/2013 11:16:34 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
The media WAITED FOR ZIMMERMAN’S WOUNDS TO HEAL before publicizing this case.

Remember ABC put a LARGE logo across the screen and jiggled the video of him being brought into the police station so their viewing audience wouldn't get a good look at his wounds. They goofed up not ending the video before it showed the officers casually wandering around without any concern that the big mean perp would make a run for it. The behavior of the cops as they went into the building and letting Zimmerman tag along was very telling they fully understood he was the victim.

45 posted on 06/25/2013 11:22:29 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt
Did Treyvon ever give you some jewelry ?

Excellent question.

46 posted on 06/25/2013 11:25:47 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Rules would also prohibit the testimony of an unnamed witness who could not be vetted by the defense prior to trial. Does she have a criminal record? Don’t know, she doesn’t even have a name.


47 posted on 06/25/2013 11:44:03 AM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: schm0e

I’m sure that will be reliable testimony....I dunno. A phone conversation, EVEN IF VERIFIED A PHONE CONVERSATION TOOK PLACE, used to be hearsay. Good thing I ain’t a cop anymore, I’d shoot some of my partners for placing this out there. But that’s jes’ me.


48 posted on 06/25/2013 11:47:21 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Who says it was an excited utterance? Some broad who was paid off by an Black activist? I believe excited utterance is relevant to a cop, lawyer, or prosecuter hearing it. Not some friend of yours. Besides, if it was an excited utterance, why turn around, go back and attack the person you were talking about?


49 posted on 06/25/2013 11:57:22 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: Sherman Logan
I’m curious how this isn’t excluded as hearsay. It’s what Trayvon supposedly told her was happening.

I'm not a lawyer, but I know that one can testify as to the state of mind of another person. According to the Wikipedia page on hearsay, the federal rules of evidence allow for many exceptions to the hearsay rule, including "dying declarations".

50 posted on 06/25/2013 12:03:03 PM PDT by wideminded
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