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Rebellious Colorado counties move forward with plans to secede
dailycaller.com ^ | 6-25-2103 | Greg Campbell

Posted on 06/25/2013 12:53:14 PM PDT by servo1969

Representatives of 10 rural Colorado counties met Monday in the sleepy plains town of Akron, about a half an hour from the Kansas border, to advance a plan that has been both hailed and ridiculed in recent weeks: A bid to split from Colorado and form the country’s 51st state.

Eye-rolling critics have dubbed the state-to-be “Weldistan,” after the county leading the charge and alluding to the heavily conservative values of the northeast region considering secession.

Proponents have called it an inevitable result of what they say is a loss of representation in Denver, where Democrats have controlled state government and, in the minds of many rural Coloradans, ignored them in favor of liberal, urban interests.

Questions about how to proceed with such a rare initiative as starting a new state covered a wide spectrum at Monday’s meeting. They ranged from whether to include like-minded counties in Nebraska and Kansas to how to ensure, if the effort is successful, that urban areas in the newly formed state wouldn’t also begin to ignore less-populated areas and become yet another out-of-touch capital.

But for all the uncertainty, there was one common thread: barely veiled anger at how rural counties perceive they’ve been treated by the Democrat-controlled state legislature this year.

Weld County Commissioner Sean Conway called it “a nightmare session.”

“This was the worse legislative session I’ve ever seen,” he said, “how they treated people, how they called bills up on the same day without giving people a chance to testify.”

Colorado has made national headlines this year in having passed a full slate of progressive laws, including tough new gun-control laws, new rights for illegal immigrants, regulations for legal marijuana, and many other controversial pieces of legislation.

Several commissioners said the back-breaker was Senate Bill 252, a new measure that requires rural electrical cooperatives to double the amount of renewable energy they offer to customers by 2020. Gov. John Hickenlooper recently signed it into law, despite heavy lobbying to veto it. The bill’s opponents say it will increase rural customers’ electricity bills by mandating what they say are unrealistic — and expensive — goals.

Many of the more than two dozen county commissioners attending the meeting noted that SB 252 was their final straw.

“[Senate Bill] 252 is a perfect example of where they rammed it down our throat,” said Yuma County Commissioner Trent Bushner. “They turned a blind eye to satisfy [Hickenlooper’s] buddies in the environmental groups.”

“I’m excited about what we can learn from this and where we can take it,” he said, “but quite honestly, I want this to be a shot across the bow for them to start listening to us.”

Like some others, Bushner wasn’t convinced that a statehood bid would be successful, even though Weld County Attorney Bruce Barker said that it was a fairly straightforward process — at least from a legal perspective.

The first step, he said, was for each county’s citizens to vote to officially exclude their county from the state of Colorado. Once those votes were conducted, counties that passed the secession measure — assuming they all shared a border — would ask voters from all of Colorado to amend the Colorado Constitution to remove their combined area from the state, and require that the state legislature submit a formal request that Congress recognize its 51st member.

If that statewide measure passes, and Congress agrees to enter it into the union, “North Colorado” — or whatever official name is eventually chosen — will be created.

Not all the commissioners were sold, with many expressing concern that there hasn’t been a groundswell of organized citizen support for the idea, even though many have told them to “go for it.”

“Do I think this has a snowball’s chance in hell of passing?” Bushner asked. “Not really.”

But others weren’t so pessimistic.

“I’ve heard the phrase ‘snowball’s chance in hell,’” said Weld County Commissioner Douglas Rademacher. “I’m looking forward to the day hell freezes over.”

“North Colorado” has a lot going for it, according to Weld County Commissioner Barbara Kirkmeyer, noting that the 10 counties in the consortium account for 10 percent of Colorado’s assessed value, in terms of its agricultural and oil and gas production.

The area, she said, accounts for 40 percent of the assessed value of the state’s oil and gas.

Overall, she said the counties looking to secede give to the state’s treasury more than they get in return.

Regardless of the many yet-to-be-answered questions, the group will move forward, agreeing to invite to the next meeting representatives of other counties — both inside and outside Colorado — who have shown interest in forming a new state.

Conway said the next steps include hiring a professor from the University of Northern Colorado in Greeley to do an in-depth economic assessment of the counties in question, and to work on developing ballot language to take to voters in November.

To make the next election, commissioners have to move fast: The deadline to submit ballot measures is in early August.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: akron; colorado; counties; denver; hickenlooper; secede; weld
I don't think they will make it because of all the legal hurdles in their way but I support their mission and wish them success.


1 posted on 06/25/2013 12:53:14 PM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Eastern Washington should do this.


2 posted on 06/25/2013 12:54:41 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: laplata

ping


3 posted on 06/25/2013 12:55:25 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: servo1969

They might have a better chance if their stated goal was to join Wyoming.


4 posted on 06/25/2013 12:57:14 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: george76

ping


5 posted on 06/25/2013 12:57:27 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: cuban leaf

How about Northern California?


6 posted on 06/25/2013 12:57:55 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: servo1969
What is worse Conrad governor Chickenpooper or a new free state? Denver raids the rest of the state for water and other resources. They demand a green grass over having a farmer growing crops to feed them. There is no reasoning with these big city socialists that want everything that is not theirs.
7 posted on 06/25/2013 12:58:35 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: servo1969

Which color counties?.............


8 posted on 06/25/2013 12:58:48 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name......Want to have fun? Google your friend's names........)
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To: max americana

How about Northern California?


Maybe “eastern california”, and it could also include everything north of Napa.


9 posted on 06/25/2013 12:59:13 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: servo1969

We need this in California.


10 posted on 06/25/2013 1:02:17 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: cuban leaf
Eastern Washington should do this.

So should Western PA
11 posted on 06/25/2013 1:04:00 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Welcome to "1984" 29 years later.....)
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To: servo1969
They ranged from whether to include like-minded counties in Nebraska and Kansas.

Both Nebraska and Kansas have conservative legislatures and governors and the rural counties are not only adequately represented in legislatures that reflect their conservative nature, then get a fair amount of tax dollars flowing to them. I don't think that the Colorado counties will find a lot of interest.

12 posted on 06/25/2013 1:04:08 PM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: cuban leaf

“Maybe “eastern california”, and it could also include everything north of Napa.”

You would need to start with Mendocino and Lake counties. Napa and Sonoma counties are RED to their core!


13 posted on 06/25/2013 1:07:24 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: max americana

“How about Northern California?”

I guess we can just wait until So Cal officially becomes part of Mexico.


14 posted on 06/25/2013 1:07:38 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: servo1969
If that statewide measure passes, and Congress agrees to enter it into the union, “North Colorado” — or whatever official name is eventually chosen — will be created.

Say, for the sake of argument, that Colorado does allow the counties to split off but the Democrats in the Senate, not wanting two new conservative Republican members, vote down the statehood enabling act. What is the status of the counties then? They aren't part of Colorado because Colorado allowed them to leave. They aren't a state because Congress didn't admit them. Are they a then territory, controlled by D.C., in the same way that Alaska and Hawaii and other states were prior to admission?

15 posted on 06/25/2013 1:09:52 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

“Are they a then territory, controlled by D.C., in the same way that Alaska and Hawaii and other states were prior to admission?”

More likely there will be horse trading that will include admitting Puerto Rico as a majority-Democrat state. Just another revisiting of the Missouri Compromise is what I’d expect.


16 posted on 06/25/2013 1:17:01 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again.)
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To: vette6387

I say every red county in every state should do this. Isolate the traitors. It would look like a bunch of blue pin chicks on a red background.


17 posted on 06/25/2013 1:19:19 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: 0.E.O

There is still a large contingent in western Nebraska who would prefer secession or aligning with KS, WY, or CO. They may find some support in western Nebraska.


18 posted on 06/25/2013 1:19:35 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: GranTorino

Pricks


19 posted on 06/25/2013 1:21:06 PM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: cuban leaf
Eastern Washington should do this.

Yup. It's been considered before. When Gregoire's happy little election thieves in King County proved to the rest of the state that their votes didn't count, the seed was sown.

20 posted on 06/25/2013 1:23:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: servo1969

Wish we could do that in Maryland. Let the Obama voters from Baltimore, PG, Howard, and Montgomery Counties go their own way.

Poor Charles County has been invaded by the PG’ers to the point they can never recover.


21 posted on 06/25/2013 1:24:35 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: max americana

Northern CA and all of eastern CA, including the Sierras..

I’d move there just to escape the lying socialist traitors running LA, SF and Sacramento...The government ruling class in CA aid and abet and are co-conspirators with the feds...Up to their necks..


22 posted on 06/25/2013 1:29:12 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: cuban leaf

*****”Eastern Washington should do this.”*****

Eastern Oregon and Most of California as well.

TT


23 posted on 06/25/2013 1:36:03 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: max americana

I love to drive down the I-5 & see the ‘State of Jefferson’ sign on someone’s barn. Maybe the Colorado folks will call their new state Franklin or Hamilton. :-)


24 posted on 06/25/2013 1:42:12 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: servo1969

It’s smack in the middle of the proposed state of “Jefferson” of the 1860’s, which never came into being.

I would think Thomas Jefferson would probably admire them.

From “Mentalfloss:”

Four regions have been proposed as the State of Jefferson. The first was west of Kansas Territory in 1859. Mining communities in the Rocky Mountains came together and requested the formation of their own potential state, called Jefferson. The Kansas government agreed, setting its proposed borders east of Jefferson’s. Citizens of Jefferson could not agree on a constitution, however, so it became Jefferson Territory (later Colorado Territory) instead.

Read the full text here: http://mentalfloss.com/article/12641/12-proposed-us-states-didnt-make-cut#ixzz2XGMigi3L
—brought to you by mental_floss!


25 posted on 06/25/2013 1:45:49 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: cuban leaf

And East Cauliflowernia, too.


26 posted on 06/25/2013 1:47:02 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: dragnet2; max americana

Please include rural southern OR and eastern OR. The new state could be the State of Jefferson, as was proposed years ago. Then from Eugene up to Portland the commies could have their own little state.


27 posted on 06/25/2013 1:53:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Twotone

Is that still on the barn roof? I haven’t driven down I-5 in quite a few years.


28 posted on 06/25/2013 1:54:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: servo1969; All
I don't see where the Constitution gives these counties a hurdle-free path to statehood. Here's Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1.
Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1: New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

Given that state and federal legislative consent is needed to do what these counties want to do, I don't see the Democratic-controlled federal Senate wanting to create new seats for likely conservative lawmakers.

What am I overlooking?

29 posted on 06/25/2013 2:02:52 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: servo1969

I wish them success. And Texas should follow in its entirety.


30 posted on 06/25/2013 2:09:11 PM PDT by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: GranTorino

Yes, they are. Liberals, that is. :-D


31 posted on 06/25/2013 2:14:57 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: cuban leaf

Eastern WA and Eastern OR should do this together. We’re both tired of the cities along the I-5 corridor from Salem to Seattle running the states into the ground.

They consistently deny any development of the eastern half of the state while fast tracking it on the west side.

Screw ‘em.


32 posted on 06/25/2013 2:17:58 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: Amendment10
Given that state and federal legislative consent is needed to do what these counties want to do, I don't see the Democratic-controlled federal Senate wanting to create new seats for likely conservative lawmakers. What am I overlooking?

Let this go forward provided the Feds cut loose Texas and admit Puerto Rico.

33 posted on 06/25/2013 2:28:19 PM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: Amendment10
What am I overlooking?

Just a wild guess...The feds operated outside the Constitution, broke the law repeatedly and so can those in the counties?

34 posted on 06/25/2013 2:31:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: servo1969

I saw eight counties previously listed in other articles and wonder which are the other two.


35 posted on 06/25/2013 2:51:51 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: beaversmom

Thanks! :)


36 posted on 06/25/2013 3:01:52 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Valpal1

Agreed.


37 posted on 06/25/2013 3:48:33 PM PDT by RedinaBlue (When truth is replaced by silence, silence is a lie.)
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To: little jeremiah

We were down there about a year ago & it was there.


38 posted on 06/25/2013 4:01:23 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: little jeremiah
State of Jefferson photo State_of_Jefferson_zps7b986494.jpg And I even took a picture!
39 posted on 06/25/2013 4:07:03 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: GranTorino

“I say every red county in every state should do this. Isolate the traitors. It would look like a bunch of blue pin chicks on a red background.”

And tell them to provide their own fuel and food! The bastards would starve to death sitting in their cars that have run out of gas! Here in California we could refuse to sell them any marijuana.


40 posted on 06/25/2013 4:19:36 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Twotone

Glad it’s still there. Used to cheer me up every time I drove by, especially on the way up from visiting friends in (shudder) Sacramento or San Francisco.

Haven’t been to CA in about 7 years now. They have to come and visit me, I can’t handle going down there any more.


41 posted on 06/25/2013 4:24:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: RJS1950

They are welcome to go as far as I am concerned. I am an engineer that works with the transportation formula a lot. That is where the money comes from and where it goes to pay for building and repairing roads. It is not just gas tax. The tax you pay on cars and a number of other things go into the pot. Most of the money comes from the urban areas.

There is also a complicated formula that divides up the money. Some goes to the State, some to counties, and some to Cities. That formula is weighted to give more money to the rural parts of the State than the urban parts of the State. The urban areas carry the rural areas.

If they want to go, I applaud them.


42 posted on 06/25/2013 6:23:34 PM PDT by jim_trent
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