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George Zimmerman Trial: Trayvon Martin "viciously attacked" former neighborhood watch volunteer
CBS News ^ | 06/25/2013 | Erin Donaghue

Posted on 06/25/2013 2:26:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 06/25/2013 3:31:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In opening statements Monday, defense attorneys portrayed murder suspect George Zimmerman as a citizen looking out for his neighborhood when he was confronted and attacked by Trayvon Martin, a stark contrast to prosecutors' picture of a vigilante who profiled the Forida teen.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin; trial; zimmerman
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1 posted on 06/25/2013 2:26:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Investigative Reporter Jack Cashill reports:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/06/getting_the_facts_straight_in_the_zimmerman_case.html

Trayvon Martin had been staying with his father’s girlfriend, Brandy Green, who rented one of the units. Martin had gone to a neighborhood 7-11 that evening and left the store at 6:29. Zimmerman spotted him near a shortcut entrance to the Retreat about 7:05. The 7-11 is about a 10-minute walk from that spot. Do the math.

At 7:09:34, after spotting Martin, Zimmerman called the non-emergency number the SPD had given him. He described “a male approximately 5’ 11” to 6’ 2” casually walking in the rain and looking into homes.”

SPD: Sanford Police Department, (garbled) recording, this is Shawn.

GZ: Hey, we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy, uh [near] Retreat View Circle. The best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about. [00:25]

SPD: Okay, and this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?

GZ: He looks black.

SPD: Did you see what he was wearing?

GZ: Yeah, a dark hoodie, like a gray hoodie, and either
jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now. He’s just staring. [00:43]

SPD: Okay, he’s just walking around the area...

GZ: ...looking at all the houses.

SPD: Okay...

GZ: Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]

SPD: Okay, you said that’s 1111 Retreat View or 111?

GZ: That’s the clubhouse.

SPD: That’s the clubhouse. Do you know what the...he’s near the clubhouse right now?

GZ: Yeah, now he’s coming toward me.

SPD: Okay.

GZ: He’s got his hands in his waistband. And he’s a black male. [1:09]

SPD: How old would you say he looks?
GZ: He’s got a button on his shirt, late teens.

SPD: Late teens, okay.

GZ: Uh, huh. Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out. He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:26]

SPD: Let me know if he does anything, okay?

GZ: (anxiously) See if you can get an officer over here.

SPD: Yeah, we’ve got someone on the way. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.

GZ: Okay. These a**holes. They always get away.
At this point, it sounds as if Zimmerman is getting out of the truck, but not yet moving.

GZ: When you come to the clubhouse, you come straight in and you go left. Actually, you would go past the clubhouse. [1:53]

SPD: Okay, so it’s on the left hand side from the clubhouse?
GZ: Nah, you go in straight through the entrance and then you would go left. You go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. Sh**, he’s running. [2:08]

Trayvon Martin headed east along an east-west sidewalk cut-through between the two streets, Twin Trees, where Zimmerman was parked, and Retreat View. He then turned south on a sidewalk that intersects the cut-through and runs between the backs of the buildings on either street. The townhouse where he had been staying was less than 400 feet down that sidewalk.

SPD: He’s running? Which way is he running?

GZ: Down toward the other entrance of the neighborhood. [2:14]

SPD: OK, which entrance is that he’s headed towards?

Zimmerman could see the direction Martin took but could no longer “maintain a visual” from the truck. Ambient wind sounds suggest he started walking swiftly, likely in the same direction Martin was running.

GZ: The back entrance. It’s f***ing cold (garbled, much disputed).

The dispatcher obviously heard the wind sounds.

SPD: Are you following him? [2:24]

GZ: Yeah.

SPD: Okay. We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

GZ: Okay.

SPD: All right, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

GZ: George. He ran.

At this point, Zimmerman’s breathing relaxed, and the sound of wind abated.

SPD: All right, George, what’s your last name?

GZ: Zimmerman.
SPD: And George, what’s the phone number you’re calling from?

GZ: 407-435-2400.

SPD: All right, George, we do have them on the way. Do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?

GZ: Yeah.

SPD: All right, where are you going to meet with them at?

GZ: Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then they go past the mailboxes they’ll see my truck. [3:10]

SPD: All right, what address are you parked in front of? [3:21]

GZ: Um, I don’t know. It’s a cut-through so I don’t know the address. [3:25]

SPD: Okay, do you live in the area?

GZ: Yeah, yeah, I live here.

SPD: Okay, what’s your apartment number?

GZ: It’s a home. It’s 1950 — oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out — I don’t know where this kid is (inaudible). [3:40]

SPD: Okay, do you just want to meet with them at the mailboxes, then? [3:42]

GZ: Yeah, that’s fine. [3:43]

SPD: All right, George, I’ll let them know you’ll meet them at...

GZ: Could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at? [3:51]

SPD: Okay, that’s no problem.

GZ: My number...you’ve got it?

SPD: Yeah, I’ve got it. 407-435-2400?

GZ: Yeah, you got it.

SPD: Okay, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]

GZ: Thanks.

SPD: You’re welcome.

The call ended four minutes and change after it started at 7:13:39. Zimmerman picked up the written narrative: “The dispatcher told me not to follow the suspect & that an officer was on the way. As I headed back to my vehicle the suspect emerged from the darkness and said, ‘You got a problem?’” When Zimmerman answered “No,” the suspect said, “You do now.”

As I looked and tried to find my phone to dial 911 the suspect punched me in the face. I fell backwards onto my back. The suspect got on top of me. I yelled “Help” several times. The suspect told me, “Shut the f*** up.” As I tried to sit upright, the suspect grabbed my head and slammed it into the concrete sidewalk several times. I continued to yell “Help.” Each time I attempted to sit up, the suspect slammed my head into the sidewalk. My head felt like it was going to explode. I tried to slide out from under the suspect and continue to yell “Help.”

Heard in the background of the 911 call from Witness #11 was a man desperately yelling “help” over and over again for about forty-two seconds. The call started at 7:16:11, about two and a half minutes after Zimmerman ended his call with SPD.

As I slid the suspect covered my mouth and nose and stopped my breathing. At this point I felt the suspect reach for my now exposed firearm and say, “Your [sic] gonna die tonight Mother F***er.” I unholstered my firearm in fear for my life as he had assured me he was going to kill me and I fired one shot into his torso. The suspect sat back allowing me to sit up and said “You got me.”

The screams ended abruptly with a single gunshot at 7:16:59. Zimmerman’s narrative continues.

At this point I slid out from underneath him and got on top of the suspect holding his hands away from his body. An onlooker appeared and asked me if I was ok. I said “No.” He said “I am calling 911.” I said “I don’t need you to call 911. I already called them. I need you to help me restrain this guy.” At this point a SPD officer arrived and asked “Who shot him.” I said I did and placed my hands on top of my head and told the officer where on my persons (sic) my firearm was holstered. The officer handcuffed me and disarmed me. The officer then placed me in the pack of his vehicle.

Zimmerman’s own account ended here. Officer Timothy Smith arrived less than a minute after the shooting at 7:17:40 p.m. and reported finding Zimmerman standing near Martin, who was lying face down in the grass about 40 or so feet south of the intersection between the east-west cut through and the north-south walkway, roughly 100 yards from Green’s townhouse. Smith noted that Zimmerman’s back was wet and covered with grass and that he was bleeding from the nose and the back of his head.

As Smith would tell the State Attorney’s Office, Zimmerman volunteered that he had shot Martin. “I was yelling for help but no one would help me,” he told Smith and complained that his head was hurting. The officer handcuffed Zimmerman “for safety reasons.” Officer Jordan Broderick arrived shortly afterwards and saw “that the back of Zimmerman’s head was cut and he was bloodied.”

Officer Jonathan Mead also saw Zimmerman in custody and “noted his injured nose and bleeding head.” As Mead told the state attorney’s office in April 2012, he had “dealt with Zimmerman before at the complex when Zimmerman had found open doors and houses. Zimmerman had reported suspicious persons that he had lost sight of when they (the suspicious person) went around a building. Zimmerman had been on foot when [he] met him on prior occasions.”


2 posted on 06/25/2013 2:31:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The last witness for the state today had signed a petition to get “Justice for Trayvon”. Lovely. Certainly no bias in that testimony. /s
3 posted on 06/25/2013 2:36:28 PM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Verifies ALL physical evidence.


4 posted on 06/25/2013 2:37:43 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: SeekAndFind
They just recessed and the last witness for the state didn't do so hot...and the legal analyst said that she was their star witness.The defense showed the court evidence that she,that witness,had signed a petition on "change.org" demanding "justice" for "our son" who was so brutally and wantonly murdered.Not too much bias from her,no doubt.

But the prosecution still has an ace in the hole...the press is predicting (or calling for) nationwide riots if he's acquitted.

5 posted on 06/25/2013 2:38:19 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Does anyone else find it weird that a substantial charge like second degree murder is being tried by a jury of six? I think the half-sized jury is weirder than it being all women, but I find that a bit strange as well.

Is this normal in Florida? I've heard of six member juries for little cases involving petty larceny or low value lawsuit type charges. But not felony second degree murder.

6 posted on 06/25/2013 2:38:42 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

This should never have gone to trial and certainly not for a murder 2.


7 posted on 06/25/2013 2:39:00 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: JPG
Certainly no bias in that testimony. /s

Did you hear that legal analyst say that the defense is in big trouble if they fail in their attempt to discredit her? Looked like a Perry Mason moment to me.

8 posted on 06/25/2013 2:41:02 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve never read the transcript of the call to police. Wow, how can the prosecutors sleep at night? It seems so clear cut a case of self defense.


9 posted on 06/25/2013 2:42:42 PM PDT by liege (You don't drive out the darkness; you turn on the light.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"[Martin's mother] Sybrina Fulton and [Martin's father] Tracy Martin are grieving parents. Without question, they have a right to grieve," West said." They have a right to feel how they feel."

They have a right to mourn. They don't have a right to suppress evidence of Trayvon's violent and thugish past. In the court of public opinion, he was paraded about as an innocent 13 year old boy. Things sound a bit more complicated than that.

Their "feelings" are that this man on trial is a murderer who acted in violation of the law. They don't have a right to feel that way. If they do, those feelings are going to have to change when they don't get the outcome they seek.

10 posted on 06/25/2013 2:43:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Vigilanteman
Does anyone else find it weird that a substantial charge like second degree murder is being tried by a jury of six?

Exactly what I've thought.What's the maximum for Murder 2 in FL? I wouldn't be surprised if it was life.Death for Murder 1,life for Murder 2.Even if it's 20 years that's still major.I wonder if that's ever been challenged in the Federal courts.

11 posted on 06/25/2013 2:44:06 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If the jury is anywhere near as racist as the OJ jurors, Z is all but dead.


12 posted on 06/25/2013 2:44:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JPG

What point exactly was that witness for the prosecution making that was adverse to GZ?

I missed that part.

I didn’t miss where she signed the Change.org petition.


13 posted on 06/25/2013 2:45:16 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: SeekAndFind

How close was Martin’s body to Zimmerman’s truck?


14 posted on 06/25/2013 2:47:32 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy ( Because police powers are essential to the public good that abusing them is so offensive.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"[Martin's mother] Sybrina Fulton and [Martin's father] Tracy Martin are grieving parents. Without question, they have a right to grieve," West said." They have a right to feel how they feel."

They should grieve. Judging by the results, they were p!ss-poor parents.

15 posted on 06/25/2013 2:48:15 PM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: SeekAndFind
What I am curious about is there any CCTV security cameras that caught Traydmark ™ on tape looking into these houses? Not that it would make any difference to the racist fascists including Traydmarks ™ "Dad", the admitted foreign born twice unconstitutionally elected communist Kenyan. To me this claim that the racist fascists make that GZ followed Traydmark ™ is utter crap. First off you can hear him stop when he is told to. Second, you can hear the fear in his voice not to mention he states he lost him. So how could he follow Traydmark ™ if he lost him? This is not a man looking to confront someone who "has his hand in his waist".
16 posted on 06/25/2013 2:49:08 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: SeekAndFind

The lacerations prove the point.


17 posted on 06/25/2013 2:49:32 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Bring...it...on.


18 posted on 06/25/2013 2:51:12 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Tea Party, Constitution, patriot, DOMA, NRA, pro-life...can you hear me now big ears?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I believe inciting is the correct term.


19 posted on 06/25/2013 2:53:08 PM PDT by rktman (Inergalactic background checks? King hussein you're first up.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The commie fascist propaganda machine posing as our media did the same with the Rodney King case. They deliberately incited a riot by only showing the edited tape of career criminal King justly getting his ass kicked by the cops. They purposely did not show King charging the cops time and time again, even after being tased twice, and even pulling his pants down and telling the cops to kiss his ass. And was anybody in the commie fascist propaganda machine prosecuted for the multi-millions in damages for the riot THEY caused? No, just as I will predict they will get away with it this time as well.


20 posted on 06/25/2013 2:53:45 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: patriotsblood

“They should grieve. Judging by the results, they were p!ss-poor parents.

And they saw dollar signs in their futures when they thought a white guy would be hanged forthe trouble their son started.


21 posted on 06/25/2013 2:54:36 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Vigilanteman
Does anyone else find it weird that a substantial charge like second degree murder is being tried by a jury of six?

It does seem weird, but I heard that 12-man juries are required for 1st degree murder cases. This case, being 2nd degree murder, only requires 6. Since he's facing a life sentence, you'd think he could get a 12-man jury, though.
22 posted on 06/25/2013 3:03:37 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: SeekAndFind

This witness....after the prosecutor claimed she did not want to testify....was proved by the defense to have done a 30 min interview with ABC reporter Matt Gutman before talking to authorities.

Case is over. The lynching of George Zimmerman must stop


23 posted on 06/25/2013 3:04:52 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did the defense present a knock knock joke today?


24 posted on 06/25/2013 3:10:10 PM PDT by Wellington VII
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To: Jeff Winston
She made statements about seeing some things that were not made in any of her depositions. Very selective memory of what she said previously and to whom. Pro Trayvon bias by signing the petition makes her testimony suspect.
25 posted on 06/25/2013 3:10:30 PM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting that.


26 posted on 06/25/2013 3:12:25 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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To: Gay State Conservative

This witness at best gave “enhanced” testimony of her memory that night and at worst, flat out lied. To top it off, the defense shows the witness’s Facebook page showing a petition she signed, “justice for our son Trayvon, blah, blah, blah. So basically all a juror is left with is the implication of why she gave inconsistent testimony......bias and her determination to get jussis for Trayvon.


27 posted on 06/25/2013 3:16:15 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: JPG

But how did any of her testimony seem to hurt Zimmmerman?


28 posted on 06/25/2013 3:17:12 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: JPG

I missed the part where she gave testimony that was obviously damaging to GZ.


29 posted on 06/25/2013 3:18:21 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

I’m sure the prosecution is going to spend a lot of time trying to confuse the jury with bovine excrement.


30 posted on 06/25/2013 3:19:36 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: Jeff Winston
Nothing that I saw hurt Zimmerman. She, on the other hand, didn’t come off looking truthful and unbiased; the jury had to have noticed.
31 posted on 06/25/2013 3:22:12 PM PDT by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Does any one know if the last witness on today’s list is Nation of Islam?
The coy way she tried to introduce new evidence to try and foist the theory that she heard Zimmerman chasing St. Trayvon, certainly blew up on her. She was not honest several times from there, and in trying to save cred, she even implied she had told the direction to other investigators, and they simply did not transcribe it. A provable lie if the interviews were recorded as I bet they were. Then when the State tried to explain away the fact that she did nor come forward for a month, because she did not want to be on the national stage, yet the defense reminded her she gave an interview to Matt Gutman, further damaged her cred. One question though, did she sign the justice for trayvon petition before she came forward? Same question about when She “liked” the Trayvon.org Facebook page?


32 posted on 06/25/2013 3:28:26 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Jeff Winston; JPG; P-Marlowe

I understand her testimony was important to the prosecution because it places Zimmerman farther into the neighborhood than everyone thought. They are working the “pursued Martin” angle.

The problem is that she came off so unbelievable.

First, how would she know that would help the prosecution?

Second, she said she “couldn’t see” and “couldn’t make out” but then described flailing arms and body on the ground.

Then she said she didn’t sign a petition that she clearly had signed.

I felt she was impeached, and that the defense left the impression that her testimony was either her or someone trying to pull a fast one at the last minute. And her obvious bias in signing a “justice for murdered Trayvon” petition certainly means she is biased.


33 posted on 06/25/2013 3:49:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: JPG

Don’t know why we spend so much time on this.
This is a Democrat on Democrat crime
Neither of these guys would give a Conservative Republican a cup of water on a hot day on Election Day.


34 posted on 06/25/2013 3:52:31 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: SeekAndFind

Can’t wait for the defense’s witness “John” to testify. He clearly says he saw TM on top of GZ and beating the heck out of him. He also says it was GZ that was crying out.

“Witness Says Trayvon Was On Top of Zimmerman Beating Him”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=w47eL_jTieI


35 posted on 06/25/2013 3:56:31 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
Look at this.. Shot in the back running away. Self defense no charges filed.

Customer shoots, kills robber outside Atlanta shop while waiting to buy LeBron James sneakers :32sec

When is the cibull rights march with Red Cross catering by Awful Dull's wife? Where is stinky fingers Al fecaphilliac Shartounge? Jessie Jackass is too busy shakin down whitey to care about the peeps.

36 posted on 06/25/2013 3:59:21 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for putting that up. Sounds like this savage beat on Zimmy for quite a while, (42 seconds?), and Zimmy went to his handgun only when it became exposed and it was trying to be unholstered by the thug and then when he was told he was gonna “die tonight” by the little bastard. I have never thought Zimmy was gonna be convicted of anything, once the evidence was put forth, (unless he was stuck with an ‘O.J. Jury’), and I still see him leaving this show trial for ‘Holder’s People’ a 100% free man as he should leave it. Hang in there George!!!


37 posted on 06/25/2013 3:59:39 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: xzins

Her testimony was so bad it was amazing. It was obvious that she was coached by the prosecution and prodded by the Martin Family. She tried to hide her bias, but O’Mara made her look like a liar, which she was.

She tried to make it seem like the screams that were heard on the 911 call were not as bad as they sounded. She also changed her testimony on what she saw or didn’t see.

This was a great example of effective cross examination. The prosecution didn’t really need her as a witness so I am rather shocked that she was called. I think she was called to give a “black face” to the eyewitness testimony, but since she didn’t see anything and apparently didn’t hear anything, her testimony did nothing more than to show that prosecution is grasping at straws.

So far the prosecution has only been able to show that Travon Martin is dead and that George Zimmerman got the crap kicked out of him before he got off a shot.

At this point they haven’t even established that Martin fired the shot. They have his confession, but I think they may try to keep it out in hopes of forcing Martin to take the stand. If that is their plan, then if this were a real trial instead of a show trial, the judge would be duty bound to dismiss the case for lack of evidence. But that is not going to happen in this trial because the judge lacks the courage to toss out the charges and the prosecution lacks the courage to admit they have no case.


38 posted on 06/25/2013 4:01:44 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: reefdiver

Good point. And “Driving Miss Paula” Deen got some fleas from the dogs she was hangin’ out with.


39 posted on 06/25/2013 4:09:00 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: P-Marlowe
She tried to make it seem like the screams that were heard on the 911 call were not as bad as they sounded.

I agree. That was really odd. She said they sounded like "uhhh" or "ohh", but then went along with the defense that they were screams. Ever try to scream the word "uhhh"? She said she couldn't see but could hear. She "heard" movement from left to right. But then she started talking about "seeing" and "making out" certain things like arms flailing and bodies on the ground. If I were an average, reasonably intelligent juror I would have found her testimony questionable, and then when the defense lawyer did the signed petition coup de grace right at the end of the day, that would have confirmed to me that this was a tainted witness.

40 posted on 06/25/2013 4:13:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Heard in the background of the 911 call from Witness #11 was a man desperately yelling “help” over and over again for about forty-two seconds. The call started at 7:16:11, about two and a half minutes after Zimmerman ended his call with SPD.

Recall that originally Martin's father said right off the bat that those screams were not his son. He then changed his mind.

There just is not a ton of news trucks up there at the courthouse. Maybe 8 or 10 masts and a gaggle of media cars off the courthouse property.

41 posted on 06/25/2013 4:14:39 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Obama's Enemies List - Yes, you are a crook.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Viciously attacked! That NEVER happens. Ya know, like this:
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2013/06/25/early-home-invasion-on-tape.cnn


42 posted on 06/25/2013 4:16:42 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: bobby.223

The mistake that Zimmerman made was calling 911 in the first place. The most effective ‘neighborhood watch’, in my opinion, is lone wolf, covert, direct action.Kind of like the ‘Glock block’ without the signs and the noise.


43 posted on 06/25/2013 4:20:28 PM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: SeekAndFind

Talk about being clueless these two reporters are brain dead:

http://news.yahoo.com/neighbor-says-she-saw-struggle-zimmerman-trial-202918036.html;_ylt=AlB0HzbP4NgTkwldS6G1DgoJVux_;_ylu=X3oDMTI5MHJiMGMzBG1pdANBVFQgMyBTdG9yeSBKdW1ib3Ryb24gSG9tZSBDYWNoZWQEcG9zAzUEc2VjA01lZGlhQXR0V2lkZ2V0cm9uQXNzZW1ibHk-;_ylg=X3oDMTFkcW51ZGliBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3BtaA—;_ylv=3

What trial are they reporting on???


44 posted on 06/25/2013 4:21:51 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Sopater

In Florida the only case that requires a 12 man jury is one where the death penalty is a possible sentence. Death is not a possible sentence in a murder 2 trial so there are only 6 jurors.


45 posted on 06/25/2013 4:29:11 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: reefdiver

This is what’s so funny to me. If someone else had shot the little thug Zimmerman would have been in front of the courthouse shouting and waving a sign that said “JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!!!”


46 posted on 06/25/2013 4:34:11 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: rawcatslyentist

Yes but that is in line with the DS law. The “Double standard” law. Black shooting another black in the back is “self defense”. Someone who is not black shooting someone IN self defense is murder.


47 posted on 06/25/2013 4:42:30 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: DonaldC

“I’m sure the prosecution is going to spend a lot of time trying to confuse the jury with bovine excrement.”

That’s usually a defense tactic though. Prosecution must prove beyond reasonable doubt, and confusing a jury is not a stellar way by the prosecution to effect such an outcome. Which is why confusion is an excellent defense tactic and a terrible prosecution one.


48 posted on 06/25/2013 4:45:16 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Sopater
"Does anyone else find it weird that a substantial charge like second degree murder is being tried by a jury of six? It does seem weird, but I heard that 12-man juries are required for 1st degree murder cases. This case, being 2nd degree murder, only requires 6. Since he's facing a life sentence, you'd think he could get a 12-man jury, though."

I heard early on that you only get a 12-man jury if the death penalty is involved.

49 posted on 06/25/2013 4:47:28 PM PDT by cincinnati65
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To: Gay State Conservative; Vigilanteman

Word is FL only uses a 12 person jury for capital crimes. 6 if the worst punishment is life in prison or less.


50 posted on 06/25/2013 4:55:26 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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