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U.S. Supreme Court wipes out Proposition 8's gay marriage ban
MercuryNews.com ^ | June 26, 2013 | Howard Mintz

Posted on 06/26/2013 7:41:40 AM PDT by Deo volente

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To: txrangerette
But this was a legalism, not a moralism, or so it claims.”

True. Next up probably will be the Constitutionality of same-sex marriage. I'm not very hopeful with this SCOTUS.

51 posted on 06/26/2013 7:58:52 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: ssaftler

I agree...this really should not surprise anyone on FR...


52 posted on 06/26/2013 7:59:48 AM PDT by halo66
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To: Deo volente

Boys and girls, we, as a Nation, are on a train pulled by a steam locomotive on a down hill track heading to destruction at full throttle. Keep in mind that a steam engine, like a turbine, has no speed limit. As long as the fuel is fed to it, it accelerates until it comes apart. And at this point in time, we have no interest in curtailing the flow of fuel to the engine. The just leaves destruction as the end.


53 posted on 06/26/2013 7:59:48 AM PDT by sport
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To: Jeff Head

Yes. In Perry the supreme court gave a single governor or attorney general the power to thwart a popular referendum if those two people dislike the result.


54 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:00 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: cloudmountain

Yep, we now have a federal government that can see no difference between a husband-and-wife and two degenerate pervs.

America has truly descended into evil. I used to wonder if the country was even salvageable. Now, I question if it’s even ‘worth’ salvaging.


55 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:03 AM PDT by greene66
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To: Timber Rattler

Or, always was, it appears.


56 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:17 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: chris37

Just be sure you return your ballot to the court rather than the polling place so they can “correct” any “mistakes” you’ve made with your votes on the propositions so we don’t have to go through this again.


57 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:28 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Along with the communist tyrant in the White House and a rubber stamp Congress.


58 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:29 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Yosemitest

Amen to all you said


59 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:38 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: halo66

The “Impeach John Roberts” billboards are coming...


60 posted on 06/26/2013 8:00:42 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Deo volente

So, the Supreme Court has handed us a dog s#!t sandwich and told us it was ham on rye.

Well, we still know what it is and we won’t bite.


61 posted on 06/26/2013 8:01:28 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: newheart

I blame the court. With this opinion they gave every governor the power to thwart popular will with a simple executive decision not to defend a law passed, or at least a referendum approved, regardless of how overwhelming its popular support.

There is no certainly in the law. With this decision the states are ruled by men and not by law.


62 posted on 06/26/2013 8:02:32 AM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: 2banana

Why do we waste so much money on salaries for members of Congress and the state legislatures, and their staffs? Just let the courts write all the laws. Same end result and it would save a lot of money.


63 posted on 06/26/2013 8:02:35 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Absolutely! I really don’t know who is on our side anymore...


64 posted on 06/26/2013 8:03:29 AM PDT by halo66
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To: Deo volente

Absolutely evil, the people did not have the right to defend their own vote in court.

We are done.


65 posted on 06/26/2013 8:03:40 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: txrangerette

Agree, but then how do you allow the Sierra Club to have standing in environmental cases as a ‘stakeholders’? Would seem to be the same in theory.


66 posted on 06/26/2013 8:03:55 AM PDT by redangus
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To: Piranha
I get it.

I'm almost too sickened to be angry.

67 posted on 06/26/2013 8:04:58 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: Deo volente

And keep in mind the federal judge’s ruling was an evil anti Christian rant.

That beats out the vote of the people.


68 posted on 06/26/2013 8:05:02 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Yosemitest

What did GEORGE WASHINGTON say about sodomites?

“..abhorrent and detestation of such Infamous Crimes...”

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28gw110081%29%29

I understand the other Founding Fathers had worse punishments in mind for Sodomites.


69 posted on 06/26/2013 8:05:47 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: halo66
Absolutely! I really don’t know who is on our side anymore...

No one.

70 posted on 06/26/2013 8:06:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Deo volente

One consolation! Perhaps all of the sodomites will leave my state (CO) and migrate to California.

hoorah!


71 posted on 06/26/2013 8:06:39 AM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 83)
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To: halo66

” Absolutely! I really don’t know who is on our side anymore...”

***

No one in Washington, that’s for sure.

Trust no one.


72 posted on 06/26/2013 8:07:09 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Deo volente

Polygamy will be legal in the US in 5 years and child marriage not long after.


73 posted on 06/26/2013 8:07:19 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well, maybe we can take some enjoyment in watching them hit the reality wall of unintended consequences with all the divorce suits that will follow thanks to the well-documented infidelity that’s part and parcel of most of their relationships.


74 posted on 06/26/2013 8:08:04 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Is there another Supreme court ruling coming on Gay Marriage? Or was this it? They ruled that states can ban laws against gay marriage?


75 posted on 06/26/2013 8:08:23 AM PDT by Fawn (In a World of Information, Ignorance is a Choice.)
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To: Deo volente

Seriously have been looking at other countries to move to.. Votes no longer matter, individual citizens no longer matter. The gov’t wants to control my communications, my thermostat and where exactly I stand when I say Jesus Christ aloud.


76 posted on 06/26/2013 8:08:58 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: Deo volente

From what I read, this says that each state still has the right to decide on gay marriage. California would have to change the provision in their state constitution that rendered Prop 8 null.


77 posted on 06/26/2013 8:10:15 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Williams

It’s a dark day in America.

We’re just about done.

Lord, have mercy!


78 posted on 06/26/2013 8:10:43 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Huskrrrr
My worst fear. Will my pastor have to choose between jail and freedom to practice his religion?

No, but he might have to stop performing "marriages" since that definition now belongs to the government and is used to describe a benefits-sharing arrangement between any two individuals who choose to sign the official papers.

Instead, the church will now need to come up with some new term for their ceremony - "covenant" or "holy union" or some such, that does not infringe upon the government's new trademark.

79 posted on 06/26/2013 8:11:13 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Deo volente

Am I understanding this correctly?

The people lack standing to defend a referendum that they passed? They passed the referendum because their state representatives failed to carry out their will. So the SCUTUS rules that those who failed to represent their constituents are the same ones responsible for defending it?


80 posted on 06/26/2013 8:11:48 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: Orangedog
You guys finally ready to get fedgov out of the marriage sanctioning and subsidizing business yet?

The role of government is to "secure the blessings of liberty". . .in this regard the government interest in marriage is proper when focused on protecting the rights of children, who are not yet able to protect their own rights.

Our inalienable rights are endowed to us at conception/birth, which means the first right endowed, in application, is the right for a child to be raised and cared for by the biological father and mother who conceived that child. Other than that, government is not needed because no one has a right to be married. . .gay or otherwise. . .we have a right to an attorney. . but not to a spouse. The true victims of today's ruling are children.

81 posted on 06/26/2013 8:12:09 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: Orangedog
“You guys finally ready to get fedgov out of the marriage sanctioning and subsidizing business yet?”

Only if two Constitutional Amendments are passed;

1) Eradication of the 16th Amendment.

2) Any type of chronic Entitlement programs, including Social Security are to be ended with some being "grandfathered" in. Amendment should conclude that the individual States are the only entity that has the power to enact Entitlement programs, not the Federal government. Also States are required to pay for any Entitlement programs internally. Also the Federal Government is not a source of budget overlays in cases where States are deep in debt. Only subsidies in case of natural dissaters or invasion will be allowed.

Also, ditto about spousal visas. What would be your plan?

If not, I don't mind Federal firewalls protecting natural matrimony, because the Federal government has been in the marriage business DECADES before the United States sexual revolution occurred in the 1960s.

Today's ruling just reaffirms the hypocrisy of our legal system.

82 posted on 06/26/2013 8:12:29 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: liberalh8ter
Next up....Churches will be forced to marry homosexuals or lose their tax exempt status. Move over minorities, gay is the new civil liberty.

Hell, if churches had some balls to address issues the tax-exempt crap would be a moot point... but no, they have to cower and lick their master's hand, hoping that their chains will continue to rest so lightly.

83 posted on 06/26/2013 8:13:15 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
What’s your brilliant plan with spousal visas? I want to hear it.

What does article 1, section 8 say about fedgov's power in marriage or spouse visas?

84 posted on 06/26/2013 8:13:48 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Good question! I don’t have the answer. If there’s any good news here at least the court didn’t define or REdefine marriage and so for now it’s up to states to decide.

Probably just a matter of time.


85 posted on 06/26/2013 8:14:08 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: ssaftler
Can anyone on this board tell me with a straight face that they are the least bit surprised by this judicial overreach?

Just what I was thinking.

Can anyone point to more than a scant couple of crucial ideological Constitutional/Conservative battles won during the last 25 years? IF that?

Let's face it; The Fix has been in. Corruption, Blackmail, Extortion, and Evil in High Places rule the Day. Get yourselves right with God and prepare to defend yourselves. All America is now The Alamo.

86 posted on 06/26/2013 8:14:29 AM PDT by USS Johnston (Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be bought at the price of chains & slavery? - Patrick Henry)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Could Harriet Miers have possibly been any worse??

Samuel Alito replaced Miers, not Roberts, and Alito has been a great justice.

87 posted on 06/26/2013 8:15:03 AM PDT by Kazan
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A very dark day. Words cannot express the depth of my disgust and loathing for Roberts. I can only hope now for something (whatever it/they might be) that will bring this monstrous evil to an end.

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88 posted on 06/26/2013 8:15:17 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: InterceptPoint

Imagine if this was the ruling on Brown VS Topeka?


89 posted on 06/26/2013 8:16:36 AM PDT by Florida native
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To: Williams

Do you have a link to that ruling?


90 posted on 06/26/2013 8:16:58 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Deo volente

Honestly, I was fully expecting a sweeping ruling.


91 posted on 06/26/2013 8:17:06 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: chris37
Laws passed by us are not relevant.

That only applies to conservatives...

Following the trend of the court system.... will that change when THEY become a minority?...nope.

92 posted on 06/26/2013 8:17:23 AM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Shall Not Be Infringed)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So, who DID have standing to bring the case?

I guess the claim is only the state of California can defend the law.

But, if one really believes in states rights as Roberts claims he does, Prop 8 should have been upheld no matter who challenged it.

93 posted on 06/26/2013 8:17:51 AM PDT by Kazan
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To: Deo volente
Oh Happy Dayth!


94 posted on 06/26/2013 8:19:05 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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“We can’t decide this so we will let the issue go that way by default” P*ssies in back dresses.

Just as predicted earlier this year.

And just in time for Gay Pride festivities this week.

Surprise surprise surprise.

They aren’t fooling anybody.


95 posted on 06/26/2013 8:19:11 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: skeeter

Sounds like the feds just told the states how they shall deal with the institution of marriage. You shouldn’t have asked for all those favors from uncle fedgov.


96 posted on 06/26/2013 8:19:22 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: cumbo78

Boy I’m glad someone sees that. DOMA was idiotic because it has Federalized the issue. It should have just been left to the States.


97 posted on 06/26/2013 8:19:52 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

Just so you know, the decision was 5-4 on this one, and Roberts was joined by Scalia, Ginsburg, Breyer, and Kagan. Not exactly the normal split.


98 posted on 06/26/2013 8:20:38 AM PDT by GIdget2004
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

We’ve been that since Marbury v. Madison.


99 posted on 06/26/2013 8:21:03 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: OneWingedShark
Which begs the question....who are they serving?
100 posted on 06/26/2013 8:21:22 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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