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California man faces 13 years in jail for scribbling anti-bank messages in chalk
RT ^ | 6/26/13 | staff

Posted on 06/26/2013 10:54:45 AM PDT by Nachum

Jeff Olson, the 40-year-old man who is being prosecuted for scrawling anti-megabank messages on sidewalks in water-soluble chalk last year now faces a 13-year jail sentence. A judge has barred his attorney from mentioning freedom of speech during trial.

According to the San Diego Reader, which reported on Tuesday that a judge had opted to prevent Olson’s attorney from "mentioning the First Amendment, free speech, free expression, public forum, expressive conduct, or political speech during the trial,” Olson must now stand trial for on 13 counts of vandalism.

In addition to possibly spending years in jail, Olson will also be held liable for fines of up to $13,000 over the anti-big-bank slogans that were left using washable children's chalk on a sidewalk outside of three San Diego, California branches of Bank of America, the massive conglomerate that received $45 billion in interest-free loans from the US government in 2008-2009 in a bid to keep it solvent after bad bets went south.

The Reader reports that Olson’s hearing had gone as poorly as his attorney might have expected, with Judge Howard Shore, who is presiding over the case, granting Deputy City Attorney Paige Hazard's motion to prohibit attorney Tom Tosdal from mentioning the United States' fundamental First Amendment rights.

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To: Nachum

I’m torn. Part of me says this “judge” is way out of bounds because this does appear to be an obvious free speech issue. The other part of me sees that this is probably one of those damned OWS protesters (anti-bigbank) and I’d like to see him rot in jail because he’s stupid.

It’s a toss-up.


21 posted on 06/26/2013 11:16:07 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: MNDude

WHAT EXACTLY!


22 posted on 06/26/2013 11:16:24 AM PDT by Big Red Badger ("don't hurt me , G 'man!")
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To: Nachum
A judge has barred his attorney from mentioning freedom of speech during trial.

Just let that one sink in for a moment...


23 posted on 06/26/2013 11:17:02 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: null and void; Admin Moderator

I’m sorry - I should have said “What a Clymer”


24 posted on 06/26/2013 11:17:09 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Maceman
What am I missing here?

Common sense. Or, more appropriately, that is what the judge is missing. It's the same as expelling a student for having an aspirin under some sort of 'zero tolerance for drugs' policy. Obviously, taking an aspirin for a headache is not the same as dealing crack out of your locker. Nor is writing on the sidewalk with chalk the same as defacing private property with spray paint. Blind application of rules and laws is not justice without thought to the purpose of the rule or the good old fashioned right or wrong is not justice; it's idiocy.

25 posted on 06/26/2013 11:25:36 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: KarlInOhio

Even mentioning jury nullification in my local court could earn you contempt of court jail time.


26 posted on 06/26/2013 11:29:15 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- Voltaire


27 posted on 06/26/2013 11:30:34 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nachum

http://www.sandiego.edu/law/academics/faculty/bio.php?ID=663

the judge appears to be a professor at the University of San Diego....oh boy


28 posted on 06/26/2013 11:31:25 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Nachum
...that a judge had opted to prevent Olson’s attorney from "mentioning the First Amendment, free speech, free expression, public forum, expressive conduct, or political speech during the trial,”...

Now that is ironic.

29 posted on 06/26/2013 11:34:21 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
the judge appears to be a professor at the University of San Diego

He must be trying to provide an example to his class of what "basis for appeal" means.


30 posted on 06/26/2013 11:36:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: null and void

And that is why it should be practiced but never mentioned, as such.


31 posted on 06/26/2013 11:43:02 AM PDT by Pecos (If more sane people carried guns, fewer crazies would get off a second shot.)
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To: null and void
Even mentioning jury nullification in my local court could earn you contempt of court jail time.

Last time I got to voir dire before a trial I was one of the top 12 potential jurors (based on seating position). One of the lawyers asked whether anyone had heard of jury nullification and I gave too detailed of answer, so I got sent home before the trial.

32 posted on 06/26/2013 11:45:00 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (This message has been recorded but not approved by Obama's StasiNet. Read it at your peril.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I am not in any way torn.

I, unlike the defendant and every person defending him including many freepers am perfectly capable of communicating without vandalism.

33 posted on 06/26/2013 11:46:03 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Maceman

For a charge of Vandalism to actually stick, if he has a decent lawyer, there has to be criminal intent.

The arguement that he was making a point is valid, and also that he went out of his way to utilize a temporary and non-destructive means of doing so.

The Judge is a douche and needs removal from the bench...


34 posted on 06/26/2013 11:57:28 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: MrEdd

No criminal intent, no destruction of property = No Vandalism...

Is that hard to understand?


35 posted on 06/26/2013 11:58:56 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: tnlibertarian

The bank said that it cost $6k to clean up the “damage.” That sounds like a lot to me, but if they can show proof that they incurred that cost, I can see fining the defendant for that plus punitive damages.

I agree 13 years in jail is ridiculous, but I don’t know how real that is. The media often reports “potential sentences” that way for sensationalism. The defendant commits a crime, gets charged with multiple counts, each of which carries some number of months sentence. But the fact is there are usually sentencing guidelines, which combine the terms so that they generally run concurrently. So the defendant ultimately gets, say, five years, whereas the total “potential” sentence reported by the media is 125 years.

I agree it would be a travesty for the judge to give this guy a 13-year sentence, but I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions about that being reality.


36 posted on 06/26/2013 11:59:18 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: Maceman

We shall see what penalty hizzoner sees fit to impose.

This case is so vital, and so important that the judge has seen fit to suspend the accused’s first amendment rights, why would he care about his rights under the eight amendment?


37 posted on 06/26/2013 12:04:59 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Nachum

Anarcho-tyranny in action, plain and simple.


38 posted on 06/26/2013 12:07:46 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Maceman
I agree it would be a travesty for the judge to give this guy a 13-year sentence, but I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions about that being reality.

You are absolutely right about the sentence possibility probably being 'worst case - never going to happen.' I didn't read the article and see the $6k cleanup bill. I pictured more of a sidewalk chalk drawing gone with the next rain.

39 posted on 06/26/2013 12:32:09 PM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: Maceman

Threatening a defendant with obscenely long sentences is the government’s own version of jury nullification - forcing the defendant to take a plea and give up his right to a jury trial, in order to avoid that obscene sentence.

Nice plus mark for the prosecutor, a career builder, saves the state or the Feds the expense of a trial, admitted criminal serves six month to a year easy time.

What not to like? Aside from the harm done to the Constitution, common sense, justice, a level playing field...


40 posted on 06/26/2013 12:37:22 PM PDT by heartwood
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