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Ramsey couple facing fine over bird feeder (New Jersey)
http://www.northjersey.com ^ | june 24, 2013 | ALLISON PRIES

Posted on 06/26/2013 1:50:57 PM PDT by lowbridge

The bird feeder in Alfred and Annette Rockefeller's back yard attracts five different species of birds. A Ramsey couple are facing up to $500 in fines for their bird feeder, above, which has drawn complaints from neighbors. The borough has an ordinance against feeding wildlife, and an official said the feeder draws other animals.

It has also drawn the attention of borough officials, who issued the couple a summons for feeding wildlife after receiving complaints from neighbors.

Alfred Rockefeller, 77, who is disabled and homebound, said feeding the birds is one of his few joys since he became confined to his Cobblestone Lane home two years ago.

But the borough's environmental health specialist, Leo Egan, said that the wire wreath-style feeder filled with peanuts hanging beside the couple's deck is not appropriate for birds.

"He stated emphatically that birds do not eat peanuts," said Rockefeller.

Now, the Rockefellers must appear in court Tuesday to answer the summons — issued on May 2 by borough police — which could result in a fine of $250 to $500.

Neighboring towns, including Allendale and Mahwah, say they have laws against feeding wildlife but summonses are uncommon.

The Rockefellers said they used to spread bird food on the ground, but borough officials visited their home and said that was not allowed. In response, they bought the hanging feeder last fall.

Several months later, Rockefeller glanced out the window and saw Egan in his yard clutching a camera. Soon after, the summons arrived.

(Excerpt) Read more at northjersey.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: animals; bergencounty; newjersey; nj; publicnuisance; ramsey; rehs; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 06/26/2013 1:50:57 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

He’s objecting to the feed, not the feeder.

This is what $12,000 per year property taxes bring.

Environmental oppression.


2 posted on 06/26/2013 1:55:05 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: lowbridge

The Potentates of the People’s Republics of Northeastern America always seem to find a way to reach new levels of dipshittery.


3 posted on 06/26/2013 1:56:31 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: lowbridge

Birds do eat peanuts

I have woodpeckers, blue jays, tufted titmice, & nuthatches that all love peanuts

the guy who made that statement should be fired for incompetence!!


4 posted on 06/26/2013 1:57:32 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: cicero2k

I visited my sister and bil several years ago when they were living in NJ in an upscale neighborhood that was absolutely overrun by deer. Hundreds, and they ate everything in a yard. Defacto animal feeding.


5 posted on 06/26/2013 1:58:55 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: cicero2k
Worried that the bird feeder is going to attract bears...

OMG.

6 posted on 06/26/2013 1:59:00 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,)
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To: WayneS

Step into my backyard without my permission and I guarantee you will be leaving on a gurney.


7 posted on 06/26/2013 1:59:39 PM PDT by shadeaud (Stay Thirsty My Friends)
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To: lowbridge
The borough has an ordinance against feeding wildlife, and an official said the feeder draws other animals.

I love my little nazi free town. We do have a lake association but it only consists of a couple dozen families and its just a means of collecting funds for weed control. (no rule making)
8 posted on 06/26/2013 2:02:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: shadeaud

I don’t recall saying I was going to enter your backyard.


9 posted on 06/26/2013 2:02:51 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: lowbridge

It takes a real assclown to steal one of the few remaining joys from a 77 year old man...

I hope his house catches fire to give him something important to bitch about...


10 posted on 06/26/2013 2:02:57 PM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: lowbridge
This birdie begs to differ:


11 posted on 06/26/2013 2:03:25 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Nawwww.

He’s just getting ready to carry that to a squirrel buddy of his...

;-)

PS - Nice photo!


12 posted on 06/26/2013 2:05:54 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Worried that the bird feeder is going to attract bears... OMG.

Not as weird as it sounds. Bears eat a lot of things that aren't what you'd expect. Hummingbird feeders are filled with a sugar/water mixture, and bears love sweet stuff.

They also like corn, something I found out when a bear ripped up my metal deer feeder. Go figure...

13 posted on 06/26/2013 2:07:09 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: dirtboy

Great photo!


14 posted on 06/26/2013 2:07:33 PM PDT by beelzepug (if any alphabets are watchin', I'll be coming home right after the meetin')
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To: lowbridge

Or for those who prefer the musical version: Professor Tom Lehrer - Comments on the enthusiasm Pigeons have for Peanuts

15 posted on 06/26/2013 2:09:53 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

“Worried that the bird feeder is going to attract bears...”

It’s a good thing the homeowner isn’t filling his feeder with Skittles...could be attracting another kind of wildlife.


16 posted on 06/26/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by moovova
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To: lowbridge
Several months later, Rockefeller glanced out the window and saw Egan in his yard clutching a camera.

All I have to say is... "S..S..S"

17 posted on 06/26/2013 2:18:47 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: lowbridge

I learned from an ornithologist that Chickadees love peanuts. I used to stand, very still, near my feeder with a handful of peanuts and a Chickadee would always land on my hand to get one.


18 posted on 06/26/2013 2:19:00 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: saganite

People moved into the deers home territory and planted food for them.


19 posted on 06/26/2013 2:20:16 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: lowbridge

How is the different from government handing out food stamps?


20 posted on 06/26/2013 2:22:42 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: dirtboy

Stellar post ;o)


21 posted on 06/26/2013 2:27:59 PM PDT by glock rocks (Matt 18:20)
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To: lowbridge
Alfred Rockefeller, 77, who is disabled and homebound, said feeding the birds is one of his few joys since he became confined to his Cobblestone Lane home two years ago . . . Rockefeller glanced out the window and saw Egan in his yard clutching a camera. Soon after, the summons arrived.

Shunning needs to come back in style. This petty tyrant is one of many examples of why exactly why decent people despise liberals.

22 posted on 06/26/2013 2:30:57 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: cicero2k

More taxes leads to more government which can only bring more oppression.


23 posted on 06/26/2013 2:31:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: lowbridge

5? That’s all they get? I get double that at least and I’m a piker, very common birds.

My neighbors must be absolutely bristling at our feeders in front.


24 posted on 06/26/2013 2:32:42 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: saganite

She ought to be glad she wasn’t cited for feeding the wildlife.


25 posted on 06/26/2013 2:32:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: lowbridge

“He stated emphatically that birds do not eat peanuts”

What? Total BS!

The feed companies must be really stupid, then!


26 posted on 06/26/2013 2:34:18 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

A Blue Jay will.


27 posted on 06/26/2013 2:35:15 PM PDT by sport
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To: lowbridge
The borough has an ordinance against feeding wildlife, and an official said the feeder draws other animals.

Reason number 607 why I live in the country. I can have as many bird feeders as I want.

28 posted on 06/26/2013 2:56:01 PM PDT by upchuck (To the faceless, jack-booted government bureaucrat who just scanned this post: SCREW YOU!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Wasn’t that what happened to that man in MA who shot the bear the other month?


29 posted on 06/26/2013 3:07:14 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: lowbridge
The Rockefellers say police visited their home again last week, prompting Annette to go to police headquarters to inquire about the source of the complaints. She was told it would take a week to get the information.

I'd venture to guess that noisy early morning bird squabbles are waking a neighbor and that is the source of complaints. The old guy is probably deaf enough that it doesn't bother or wake him, or he is already awake that early.

30 posted on 06/26/2013 3:11:25 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: sport

Lots of birds do.

The best ready-made feed you can get is fruit&nut. All kinds of birds LOVE all that stuff.


31 posted on 06/26/2013 3:12:13 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Valpal1

“There was spillover, and other neighbors had damage to their gardens from the animals. They were putting in expensive plantings and getting them decimated.

“Ducks, deer, geese, squirrels, chipmunks and groundhogs, among other animals, were being lured...”


32 posted on 06/26/2013 3:14:03 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: lowbridge

Nowhere do I see any mention of anyone having the nerve to ASK these people to do something about their feeders.

Instead, they tattle behind backs like little cowards. (I have a basketball hoop issue, much more “dangerous” than animals hurting pretty plants, and only recently made a mention indicating my irritation about it - wish I had more guts to come right out. But I’m not yet going to the county.)

Maybe if they asked the people if they could tone it down, move it somewhere else, change feed, etc, it would be settled without all the rancor. Instead, they raise the couple’s ire by sicking the law on them.


33 posted on 06/26/2013 3:18:25 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: cicero2k
The Rockefellers said they used to spread bird food on the ground, but borough officials visited their home and said that was not allowed. In response, they bought the hanging feeder last fall.

Where did he purchase the feeder and birdfeed?

If there is an ordinance against feeding wildlife, then why do they allow the sale of that paraphrenalia to the general public?

If I were this man, I'd throw it back at the burrough and argue that they have an unenforceable ordinance that allows for the sale of bird feeding equipment, but then bans its use. The burrough can't be allowed to have conflicting ordinances like that.

It's like designing a road through town that rates at 45 mph, and then setting the speed limit on it at 30 mph and ticketing drivers who do 45 mph. The ticketed driver would argue that the city mis-applied the speed limit.

In this case, the ordinance should not be on feeding the birds, it should be inclusive of selling bird feeding equipment, too, and punishing the sellers equally or nobody at all.

-PJ

34 posted on 06/26/2013 3:19:45 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Sometimes what the neighbor complains about isn’t what the actual problem is. Complaining about noisy bird squabbles won’t get the enviral officer to act, so they complained about something that fit the ordinance.

I am suspicious of the the claim regarding ducks and geese being attracted to a hanging caged feeder. Is there a pond close by?

Soome neighbor wants that feeder gone and will say what ever they have to in order to make that happen.


35 posted on 06/26/2013 3:25:09 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: lowbridge

Update: Ramsey couple seeks to resolve bird feeder case out of court - See more at: http://www.northjersey.com/news/Ramsey_court_case_over_peanut-dispensing_birdfeeder_is_adjourned_while_parties_seek_resolution.html#sthash.k8YZZYmj.dpuf

They seem to think it boils down to Officer Egans firm belief that peanuts are not an appropriate bird feed.


36 posted on 06/26/2013 3:31:36 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with brute force, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: lowbridge

I live in a bird sanctuary area where everyone is encouraged to feed them.


37 posted on 06/26/2013 4:07:19 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: lowbridge

WHAT !!!!

An old man has JOY ?

We can’t have THAT in the new world order, comrade!

/endsarcasm


38 posted on 06/26/2013 4:08:59 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: lowbridge

Some states need to be blown up.


39 posted on 06/26/2013 4:21:27 PM PDT by sergeantdave (No, I don't have links for everything I post)
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To: lowbridge

An Alaskan neighbor thought it was wonderful to bring home left over food from restaurants and throw it out in his yard every day for the birds .... Vile! 20 to 30 ravens and gulls left droppings on the entire blocks roofs, were loud and pests. You could see the flock following him home in his truck everyday at feeding time. The bird poop was getting disgusting. The neighbors and the borough had to ask them to stop. Bird feeders, nut and seed attract bears to your yard. Not good for bear or human. Let the birds find more natural food. The deer where I live are like flies - every where - every day. I love nature but I don’t feed it.


40 posted on 06/26/2013 4:43:42 PM PDT by Pilated
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To: Political Junkie Too

I actually succeeded beating a speeding ticket making the exact same argument.

The road was straight, no outside access points for 1/2 a mile but the speed limit was marginally set at 25 MPH.


41 posted on 06/26/2013 5:25:24 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: cicero2k

I actually had a room mate once who would dump his dinner plate’s scraps out on the driveway ! I quickly put an end to that bs.

DISGUSTING! He was Jamaican.


42 posted on 06/26/2013 5:45:40 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (Inbred, pedophile-worshipping, misogynists (mozlums) offend me.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
In this case, the ordinance should not be on feeding the birds, it should be inclusive of selling bird feeding equipment, too, and punishing the sellers equally or nobody at all.

When bird feeders are outlawed, only outlaws will feed birds.

And imagine if he had a hummingbird feeder filled with, **gasp**, sugar water. Then he would have Doomberg all over his a**.

43 posted on 06/26/2013 6:02:06 PM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Valpal1

I don’t know exactly where they live but there are many ponds in that vicinity.

And it’s not the feeder, it’s the droppings from it. Plenty drops for ground feeders.


44 posted on 06/26/2013 7:57:36 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Pilated
it is a predicament.....we want to enjoy seeing the turkeys and the deer and the quail and the birds, but we don't want them to mess anything up....

my bird feeders get attacked by the squirrels and the deer....makes me not even want to put feed out....at least there's the hummers....

45 posted on 06/26/2013 10:14:11 PM PDT by cherry
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