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Eric Garcetti, L.A.'s First Elected Jewish Mayor, Will Take His Oath On A Christian Bible
LA Weekly ^ | Tue., Jun. 25 2013 | Gene Maddaus

Posted on 06/26/2013 10:15:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Mayor-elect Eric Garcetti still has a lot of decisions to make about his upcoming inauguration. Should he sit in with Moby, or would that be too show-offy? Which food truck should he hit first?

But one decision seems to have been made. Garcetti -- L.A.'s first elected Jewish mayor -- will take his oath on a Christian Bible.

His spokesman, Diego de la Garza, said the Bible belonged to Garcetti's Catholic grandmother.

As a candidate, Garcetti often noted that he would be the first elected Jewish mayor in the city's history. (One was appointed in the 1870s.) However, his heritage is complicated. His mother is Jewish. His father, former D.A. Gil Garcetti, is of Italian and Mexican descent. Garcetti, who speaks Spanish, calls himself "doble mestizo."

His complex ancestry created a dilemma for his inauguration. Some Jewish officials -- such as New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg -- take their oaths on a Hebrew Bible.

In Garcetti's case, tradition won out. His spokesman said that he used his paternal grandmother's Bible when he was sworn in as a councilman, and saw no reason to do anything differently this time. Garcetti's paternal grandmother, Juanita Iberri, was born in Arizona; her family came from Mexico.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; diegodelagarza; ericgarcetti; losangeles; moby
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1 posted on 06/26/2013 10:15:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

The question is, since Barack Hussein Obama isn’t involved, would this still be “historical”?


2 posted on 06/26/2013 10:19:26 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Osama tried and failed. Obama got it done.)
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To: nickcarraway
I thought it was de rigueur for 'Amurikans' to take your oath of allegiance on the Koran or dance naked around a flaming pile of rocks, sticks, and mud nowadays? My bad.


3 posted on 06/26/2013 10:22:19 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: nickcarraway

very nice of him to remember his grandma.


4 posted on 06/26/2013 10:27:16 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: nickcarraway

“Such a kerflempted city we are having!
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I won’t kvech but I see some JDL armor... Finally the peoples are watching themselves...


5 posted on 06/26/2013 10:39:42 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (To attempt to have intercourse with a hornet's nest is a very bad idea)
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To: Cronos

The unions backed him here and is a lefty. But, he’s a slight improvement over our former La raza, ex-gang member mayor.


6 posted on 06/26/2013 10:50:26 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: freedumb2003

Soup Nazi!!!

What are you? Anti-Dent-eye?


7 posted on 06/26/2013 10:59:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Cronos

Except he is Jewish and no Jew should swear on the Christian bible.

I was raised Lutheran but I have since ‘converted’ to the Noahide faith and,like the Jews,we share the Hebrew Scriptures.

Any oath I had to take will be on the Hebrew Bible. Doing so is not disrespectful to non-Jewish family members. A Jew can remember their grandparent without taking an oath on a Christian Bible. Doing so is a slap in the face to Torah,G-d Himself and the Jewish people.


8 posted on 06/26/2013 11:43:58 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Doesn’t the Bible include the Jewish Old Testament?


9 posted on 06/27/2013 12:01:23 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

I am a convert too..a ‘more’ noahide-like faith too and I have but one thing to say:

Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.
Blessed be the Name of His glorious kingdom for ever and ever.
And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might.

Remember, Y’shuah was Jewish.


10 posted on 06/27/2013 12:08:50 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: null and void

Yes but it is not the Jewish version (the official version) of the Jewish Scriptures. It is the incorrect translation of the Tanach and as such is not accepted by Jews.

Plus Jesus is mentioned in the Christian Bible (obviously)and Jews would be forbidden from taking any vow on a bible that includes Jesus and his name.


11 posted on 06/27/2013 12:17:31 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: PrairieLady2

It does not matter that Jesus was Jewish. There’s no proof he even existed. Either way he is not important to Jews or to Noahides.


12 posted on 06/27/2013 12:21:50 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
Except he is Jewish and no Jew should swear on the Christian bible.

I was raised Lutheran but I have since ‘converted’ to the Noahide faith and,like the Jews,we share the Hebrew Scriptures.

Any oath I had to take will be on the Hebrew Bible. Doing so is not disrespectful to non-Jewish family members. A Jew can remember their grandparent without taking an oath on a Christian Bible. Doing so is a slap in the face to Torah,G-d Himself and the Jewish people.


No Jew should swear an oath of office on any Bible - Jewish or Christian. It's against Jewish law and considered taking G-d's name in vain. Jews are supposed to affirm, not swear.

It's perfectly legal, and as a notary for years, I often administered affirmations instead of oaths.
13 posted on 06/27/2013 12:46:24 AM PDT by Maven
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To: null and void

>> Doesn’t the Bible include the Jewish Old Testament?

The “Christian” Bible contains both Old and New.


14 posted on 06/27/2013 12:51:04 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

>> There’s no proof he even existed.

Seriously?

The Jew you dismiss is perhaps the only reason Jews have survived to this day.


15 posted on 06/27/2013 12:57:20 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: nickcarraway

He’s still a liberal imbecile, no matter what!


16 posted on 06/27/2013 1:36:12 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks nickcarraway.


17 posted on 06/27/2013 4:22:38 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (McCain or Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN; Jewbacca; jocon307
Doing so is a slap in the face to Torah,G-d Himself and the Jewish people.

That's your opinion, not shared by him, and not by all Jewish people.

Perhap's it's just a Noahcide failing?

18 posted on 06/27/2013 4:46:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: nickcarraway

Asinine. The Bible’s New Testament is a canon of Chridstian books, The Old testament is an English translationm of the canon of the
Hebrew Bible, of which the Authorized Version is highly approved by Jewish scholars. What is the problem? Does he have to have a Torah scroll? Is his word no good apart from a Bible?


19 posted on 06/27/2013 5:59:28 AM PDT by imardmd1
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To: Gene Eric
The “Christian” Bible contains both Old and New

The "Old Testament" section of the Authorized Version is a well-approved faithful English translation of the Masoretic Hebrew Text of the Jewish canon.

20 posted on 06/27/2013 6:05:52 AM PDT by imardmd1
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To: Maven
No Jew should swear an oath of office on any Bible - Jewish or Christian. It's against Jewish law and considered taking G-d's name in vain. Jews are supposed to affirm, not swear. It's perfectly legal, and as a notary for years, I often administered affirmations instead of oaths.

Thanks - I think we've got a thread winner...

21 posted on 06/27/2013 6:08:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: Cronos; POWERSBOOTHEFAN; Jewbacca; jocon307

ZC: “Doing so is a slap in the face to Torah,G-d Himself and the Jewish people.”

Cronos: “That’s your opinion, not shared by him, and not by all Jewish people. Perhap’s it’s just a Noahcide failing?”

Well, an observant Jewish person should not take an oath on a Chrisitan Bible because, bluntly, the additional chapters are considered heretical and false. Taking such an oath gives the appearance of accepting said teachings as true, which is against the duties of an observant Jewish person who deems said teachings false.

Be a bit like you taking an oath on the Bible which includes later chapters from the Book of Mormon or the Koran.

Personally, if I was a Christian and saw a Jewish person taking an oath on a Christian Bible, I would be thinking to myself that the persona taking the oath didn’t take it seriously, in that he rejects 1/3 of the book he is using as false.

As it is, this guy probably should have used Mao’s Little Red Book, maybe something by Marx, or Darwin’s Origin of the Species, as any such are more meaningful to him than anything Divine or allegedly Divine.


22 posted on 06/27/2013 7:37:53 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: nickcarraway

Oh lord....the horror

As mayor of los Angeles he probably should have taken the oath on Das Kapital

Or Musings of Zapata on a Sunday Afternoon


23 posted on 06/27/2013 7:42:53 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: Gene Eric

Isn’t it strange....I have never in my life known a Christian turned Jew except one Catholic who did so for marriage.....divorced....she’s now Pentecostal

But this forum has a couple dozen Christians turned Jew or wish they were Jewish....or whatever this in between thing is

And dare criticize liberal Jewish vanguard attacks on traditional culture or any minor misstep by Israel and they pounce with zeal hurling anti Semite smear 100 times quicker than our known natural Jews

I’m not disparaging their faith but rather the behavior of some....

Its just a sub culture I know little about and at least from the outside feels like chosen envy or coveting.

And denying Christ existence....our actual Jews here...to their credit...never do that.

Is Messianic and Noahide related.


24 posted on 06/27/2013 7:58:26 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: wardaddy

“our actual Jews here..”

A convert is no less a Jewish person that a person born Jewish. Indeed, perhaps more Jewish, in that they knew what they were getting into.

Perhaps this is what you detect.

+++++++++

“Is Messianic and Noahide related.”

No, not particularly. Noahide are gentiles that follow the laws of Noah set forth in the Bible. (Many Christians mistakenly believe the Covenant of Sinai is applicable to them; this is incorrect, unless said Christians happen to be Jewish, the Laws of Noah apply to them.) Noahides are gentiles who believe they are rejecting false additions to the Torah and follow G-d’s word as delievered to the Gentiles.

“Messianic” in contrast are either:

Jewish people who accept the Nazarine as the Mosiach, and yet reject the Roman additions to their religion, going back to what is, at least superficially, a Jewish-appearing worship. They are typically Orthodox in apppeance and custom, keep kosher, etc.

or

Gentiles who adopt a Jewish-looking form of worship, for whatever reason, and can sometimes appear to be Jewish. Sometimes this is done as a subterfuge to trick Jewish people.


25 posted on 06/27/2013 8:33:59 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

tks....very informative


26 posted on 06/27/2013 12:25:52 PM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: Cronos

It is not opinion. It is the truth.

No true Jew will be OK with taking a vow on that bible.


27 posted on 06/27/2013 12:52:44 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: Gene Eric

The Christian bible is the ‘New’ Testament ONLY.


28 posted on 06/27/2013 12:54:26 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: Jewbacca

I’m the one who said ‘Doing so is a slap in the face to Torah,G-d Himself and the Jewish people’.


29 posted on 06/27/2013 12:56:09 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Wrong.


30 posted on 06/27/2013 1:14:49 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: nickcarraway

Gil Garcetti, the father, was the DA during the OJ murder case.


31 posted on 06/27/2013 1:34:01 PM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Gene Eric

Your version of the Hebrew Scriptures is incorrect. It is a blatant perversion of G-d’s eternal word. What G-d said in the Torah goes and it is not to be changed or altered in ANY way and that’s what Christianity has done.

Jews and Noahides do not call the Torah the “Old Testament” since it is the ONLY Testament. The ‘New’ Testament is the Christian bible.


32 posted on 06/27/2013 1:36:54 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN; Zionist Conspirator

“I’m the one who said ‘Doing so is a slap in the face to Torah,G-d Himself and the Jewish people’.”

Sorry, thread comprehension-reading fail.

(In my defense, sounds pretty fairly like a ZC comment.)


33 posted on 06/27/2013 1:39:48 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca; POWERSBOOTHEFAN
I didn't say it, but I thought it. I don't post some of my opinions here any more because after what happened earlier this week they are so apocalyptic (and not in the mood to sing hymns to a culture and civilization that can't ever be restored as it was because it was flawed from the beginning) that I'd be skewered for not celebrating the Great American Enlightenment and what happened on Shivah `Asar BeTammuz 5536. Mi sheyesh lo 'oznayim, yishma`.

But hey, as I understand it, this "Jewish" mayor is actually Catholic anyway. But because he has one Jewish parent, is liberal, isn't a redneck, and thinks the Torah is mythology he's an honorary member of the tribe. After all, as everyone knows (sarcasm), Judaism isn't about G-d and Objective Truth but the Bill of Rights. After all, doesn't Chanukkah celebrate the receiving of the Bill of Rights by Thomas Jefferson on Mt. Rushmore?

And while we're at it, don't forget another "honorary member:" Rabbi Shmuley Boteach's boyfriend.

Sorry, all. I may have to avoid posting for a while.

34 posted on 06/27/2013 1:54:26 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Interesting all this comes to pass so near Shiva Assar B’Tammuz.


35 posted on 06/27/2013 2:14:48 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
Interesting all this comes to pass so near Shiva Assar B’Tammuz.

Bevadday.

36 posted on 06/27/2013 3:30:27 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: wardaddy; All
Isn’t it strange....I have never in my life known a Christian turned Jew except one Catholic who did so for marriage.....divorced....she’s now Pentecostal

But this forum has a couple dozen Christians turned Jew or wish they were Jewish....or whatever this in between thing is

And dare criticize liberal Jewish vanguard attacks on traditional culture or any minor misstep by Israel and they pounce with zeal hurling anti Semite smear 100 times quicker than our known natural Jews

And I've never attacked "liberal Jewish vanguard attacks on traditional culture?" That's what you're saying? Really? Where the blazes have you been for the past fourteen years where I have defending rural American Fundamentalist Protestants time after time after time after time after time? Huh? Or maybe you are unaware that I have been accused of anti-Semitism because I have dared to criticize the two-hundred-plus-year-old tactic of identifying Judaism with the promotion of "religious freedom" rather than the promotion of G-d? As a matter of fact, where are you when I'm defending the total inerrancy of Scripture? Or do you even care? Maybe you're an evolutionist yourself? Maybe you're one of those "palaeos" who worship the contemptible H.L. Mencken?

And what do you mean by "traditional culture?" Is that some sort of euphemism for the Laws of G-d because you're afraid to say "the laws of G-d?" Or maybe you don't believe there's an objective G-d with objective Laws? Maybe you think "truth" evolves over billions and jillions and zillions of eons through trial and error and slowly encodes itself in our instincts. Maybe you don't even believe there is a single objectively true cultural tradition at all? You one of those "planet of peoples" loonie toons who think there's a separate but equal "truth" for every culture and ethnic group on the planet? Maybe Judaism "subverts" all these wonderful "traditional cultures" because it is based on G-d and not on utilitarian social traditionalism?

And my, my, my . . . what have those awful Israelis been up to now? Did they fluoridate your drinking water? Confiscate your apricot pits? Try to take your brandy and cigars away from you? Or did they recite a magical phrase from the Talmud and magically cause your skin to get a little bit too dark? Goodness knows all the troubles in the world would disappear immediately if only there were no Israel. Why, before 5/14/'48 there was no evil in existence was there? How dare I not personally drop a hydrogen bomb on Jerusalem because those awful Israelis are causing good upstanding Northwestern European Man to disappear by "creating money out of nothing?" That's how they do it, right? I mean, here you are being all Super Traditional and Organic and all, and along come the ISRAELIS and all of a sudden some left wing intellectual from a cotton field in the Mississippi Delta is defiling your daughter with COMMUNISM! And it's all because Jews are living in Israel!

You want to know my position on Israel? Well here it is, so pay attention: I fully support the Benei Yisra'el in 'Eretz Yisra'el. But the western, democratic, liberal "State of Israel" and its institutions are all alien. And I mean the president, the prime ministership, legislature, and the "supreme court." G-d ordained a king, a high priest, and a sanhedrion, and that's it. That is the genuine Jewish Theocratic government that has existed continuously since Sinai and now buried beneath tons of copies of the Bill of Rights. Any alien western structure added to this Divinely-authorized government should be dismantled.

I’m not disparaging their faith but rather the behavior of some....

Well thank you all to blazes. Here I am as depressed as I can remember ever being over the world situation, unable to sleep at night, a nervous wreck, unable to properly daven this morning, and while I'm excoriating the guilty parties for everything they've done (see my "in forum") and here you come along jumping on my last nerve because I'm a liberal who defends "Jewish subversion" of of all that is good and pure and adorable in the world and don't sufficiently blame the Israelis for "personally ordering" the Supreme Court to legalize "gay marriage!" Well, I no longer have that nerve, Mr. wardaddy. I have had it. I've had it with having to be worried, depressed, scared, and everything else in the world about all this and then be jumped on by the likes of you, a non-theistic "palaeoconservative" along the lines of Sam Francis or Jared Taylor, jumping on me and accusing me of being a liberal working to destroy your precious "western civilization."

Understand this: I don't give a hoot for anybody's "civilization." Only one thing matters in this world or any other, and that is G-d. Not the "western gxd," not the "American gxd," but the True G-d. And you and anyone else in the world who doesn't understand this is a utilitarian ancestor-worshiper and idolator. There is only the True G-d and His Laws, not the eons of gradual evolution of anybody's stupid "civilization."

And just how useful has this vaunted "civilization" been in preventing all of this? It's been useless. You think there isn't some deep flaw in your civilization that made all this possible? You think that the Big Bad Jews did all of this by not corroding belief in the "incarnation?" You don't see the deep implication of the "incarnation" in this universal leftist ethnolatry that's taken over the world? And just how has this universal "inculturation" of G-d into each and every ethnic group on the planet worked out for you? You think the One, Invisible, Unincarnate G-d Who created the universe will turn this world into a sewer? Well guess what . . . it's a sewer already! And the only objective standard in existence as to what is good and what is bad are the Laws of that awful alien Jewish G-d. But then, don't even consider that. You just go right back to trying the same things over and over and over that have never worked. And even if they did, they'd just put us back with Thomas Jefferson and Tom Paine and the whole thing would start all over again!

And denying Christ existence....our actual Jews here...to their credit...never do that.

When did I ever deny Chr*st's existence? What has his existence or non-existence got to do with the fact that G-d had already spoken and this so-called "new testament" doesn't meet any criteria and contradicts the universally acknowledged prior Revelation of G-d? And I note that you apparently have no trouble whatsoever with Catholics attacking the founders of Protestantism, but the Catholic Martin Luther who paved the way fifteen hundred years earlier is beyond discussion. So Catholics can point out where's Luther's teachings ultimately lead but I can't do the same for his predecessor?

And just which J*sus (there's one for every ethnic group!) are we talking about here? Are we talking about the "good" one worshiped by the ridgerunners in the hills of West Virginia or the "bad" one worshiped by the left wing Ph.D.'s in the swamps of Louisiana?

Is Messianic and Noahide related.

No.

Now I know I've ranted like a madman because I've been a maelstrom of emotion since this awful week started. You probably haven't read this far, but anyone who has please before this post gets yanked please listen to one final explanation for why I have reacted like this.

Yesterday I took a short road trip to the place I worked my first job. On the way back I drove through a little rural community and turned around on the parking lot between the Baptist and Methodist churches. While I was there I saw something on the marquee of that Baptist church that racked me to my very soul. There at the bottom, was this simple plea: "Please G-d, please continue to bless the United States of America." Here was this pitiful plea from the heart to G-d to continue to bless us even after what had just happened at the Supreme Court--a plea for Him to recognize that this was being forced on us against our will and please not to hold it against the innocent who were unimplicated. And I thought of all those smug, satisfied perverts and the ennablers who would have eaten this up. This is just what they wanted! To see decent people begging G-d not to punish the innocent along with the guilty. And the thought of their smirking satisfaction did something to me and I have not yet recovered and maybe I never will. And on top of all that, the realization that many "good chrstian" FReepers here would think it was just as funny because whoever left that message was a simpleton who didn't realize that Genesis is mythology when the truth is that they aren't worthy to carry the dirty sock of someone like this. Oh, and thanks again so much for your non-existent defense of poor rural white Southern chrstians while I have stood up for them for fourteen freaking years.

Now listen here: I have to live with this for 24 hours and spend a totally sleepless night with it gnawing at me, and you come along here and call me a liberal? You accuse me of defending cultural decay? You implicitly hang this decay on the shoulders of the Israelis, to whom I am allegedly too supportive? How dare you. I don't know a lot about the "chivalry" of "western civilization," but if this is an example, it is absolutely obscene.

Unfortunately there is no "ignore" feature at FR. If there were I would have used it may times over the years. I don't see your accusations because I want to or relish responding to them.

The Noachides are not hurting you. The Jews are not hurting you. And I have never done anything to harm you or yours. So listen up: you . . . leave . . . me . . . alone.

If any of my few friends has made it this far before the pulling, just in case this is my last post ever on Free Republic . . . please don't forget me.

37 posted on 06/27/2013 4:58:11 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Jewbacca

That’s cool. :)


38 posted on 06/27/2013 8:26:01 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Quit with the drama....geezuss

Nut up.

You wish you were Jewish

There are worse things

I don’t condemn you for it and I didn’t accuse you of anything

Take a cue from jewbacca....who actually is of the tribe and relax


39 posted on 06/28/2013 12:01:07 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

And you are worried about what? Are you taking the oath? What’s your concern. Will Los Angeles now be lost? Hey, it already is lost. What should you do?


40 posted on 06/28/2013 12:10:38 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: Gene Eric

Not exactly. It is God who has preserved the Jews and the reason they exist. For centuries the Christians have persecuted the Jews because they refused to accept Christianity.

Jesus led people astray and rendered the Torah null and void. He did not fulfill the Law. He told people to ignore it.

And Christians are hell-bent on converting Jews to Christianity.


41 posted on 06/28/2013 12:18:20 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You seem a bit gloomy. Hold on to that valuable sadness, and get some sleep. Clarity does not come easy. Ride it out. Don’t hurt yourself, buddy.


42 posted on 06/28/2013 12:21:02 AM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: wardaddy

>> And denying Christ existence..

Envy.


43 posted on 06/28/2013 12:22:34 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I’m the one who said there is no proof Jesus existed.


44 posted on 06/28/2013 12:23:54 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN; Gene Eric

I’m Southern Baptist....never seen an outreach from my church to Jews in my life

Some think God has a plan for them....some think they will go to hell for rejecting Christ

Heck if I know.

My church is more concerned helping the lapsed be reborn and saved.

Like I said earlier I never saw so much coveting of the tribe by former Christians as I’ve seen here

Much like the south hating crowd I doubt its just happenstance

I seriously dont care how folks worship

I do care what groups relatively speaking uphold our culture and values and which work to dismantle it

There lies the sticky part.....and the wrath...lol


45 posted on 06/28/2013 12:33:03 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

the thing is that you are not a Jew, so you can’t speak for them. you can speak only for a Noahcide


46 posted on 06/28/2013 5:04:40 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos

Ppf is Jewish. Zc is the gentile follower of HaShem.

I muddled the two early in the thread.

Many apololgies.


47 posted on 06/28/2013 5:38:59 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

That was pretty epic.

You could’ve summed it all up with labeling it all idolatry, but sometimes people really need the scenic route!


48 posted on 06/28/2013 11:17:05 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: Cronos; POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Here is a Jew saying POWERSBOOTHEFAN is 100% Torah compliant in his statement.

And no mortal man can say who is a Jew and who isn’t. The Management decides that.


49 posted on 06/28/2013 11:22:41 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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To: Gene Eric

The “Christian” Bible is the New Testament (whichever of the 50 versions you use).

The Hebrew TaNaKh doesn’t change, and certainly is not your “old” testament.

It is very disrespectful to claim they are one and the same when most “Christian” versions muck around with the text and the order of the books.


50 posted on 06/28/2013 11:30:30 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative.)
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