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To: allendale
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I'd point out that Rome didn't actually collapse until after the Empire converted to Christianity, and Edward Gibbon actually blames the switch to Christianity for the collapse.

A lot of people have a vague, ill-informed notion of what Rome was like, and the timeline of the collapse and why it occured, that they roll out to push whatever axes they want to grind about America today.

9 posted on 06/27/2013 8:48:07 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
Christianity delayed a collapse that was already underway before Constantine and Theodosius. The remote cause of Rome's fall was corrupt and incompetent leadership (as always), and the proximate cause was that they "offshored" their own national defense to foreign mercenaries. Neither one was at all related to Christianity.

And remember, the Eastern (Christian!) Empire endured until 1453.

11 posted on 06/27/2013 8:54:52 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Strategerist

The collapse of Rome was well underway before it converted to Christianity.


15 posted on 06/27/2013 9:22:12 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (IÂ’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: Strategerist

The Western Roman Empire collapsed because they ran out of money and couldn’t defend themselves from the invading tribes.

The Fall of the Roman Empire by Peter Heather


19 posted on 06/27/2013 9:35:58 AM PDT by Clean_Sweep
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To: Strategerist

I’d point out that Rome didn’t actually collapse until after the Empire converted to Christianity, and Edward Gibbon actually blames the switch to Christianity for the collapse.

A lot of people have a vague, ill-informed notion of what Rome was like, and the timeline of the collapse and why it occurred, that they roll out to push whatever axes they want to grind about America today.
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recent scholarship has dated complete collapse of the western roman world to about 640 ad. about the time the moslem armies destroyed the roman world in north Africa and Spain—apparently they did the same by raiding on the north side of the Mediterranean too.


30 posted on 06/27/2013 7:35:57 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Strategerist

I’d point out that Rome didn’t actually collapse until after the Empire converted to Christianity, and Edward Gibbon actually blames the switch to Christianity for the collapse.

A lot of people have a vague, ill-informed notion of what Rome was like, and the timeline of the collapse and why it occurred, that they roll out to push whatever axes they want to grind about America today.
........
recent scholarship has dated complete collapse of the western roman world to about 640 ad. about the time the moslem armies destroyed the roman world in north Africa and Spain—apparently they did the same by raiding on the north side of the Mediterranean too.


31 posted on 06/27/2013 8:22:43 PM PDT by ckilmer
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