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The case for polygamy (Why shouldnt marriage equality apply to them, too?)
Daily Caller ^ | 06/27/2013 | Matt Lewis

Posted on 06/27/2013 8:59:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Discussing the Supreme Court’s decision on gay marriage recently, Sen. Rand Paul joked about bestiality. This was unwise. If Paul wanted to make the slippery slope argument, the case for polygamy is much more compelling — and realistic.

This is not some straw man argument. As BuzzFeed’s McKay Coppins pointed out, polygamists are, in fact, celebrating the court’s decision. And they have every reason to do so. After all, why shouldn’t marriage equality apply to them, too?

The arguments are essentially the same. For example, Sen. Al Franken recently issued a statement saying, “Our country is starting to understand that it’s not about what a family looks like: it’s about their love and commitment to one another.” Polygamists couldn’t agree more.

I mean, who are we to say that two or three or even four consenting adults — who want to make a lifelong commitment to love one another — shouldn’t be allowed to do so?

What’s magical about the number two?

In fact, you could argue that there is an even better argument for polygamy than for same sex marriage. For one thing, there’s a long tradition (just look at the heroes of the Old Testament.) It’s also intimately tied to religious practice, which means that by prohibiting polygamy, we might also be undermining the “free exercise thereof.”

Why should we impose our values on others?

Now, you might say that there is historical evidence to support the fact that polygamy is bad for women and children. This is sophistry. The truth is that right now about half of all marriages end in divorce, and lots of kids are already struggling, so it’s not like traditional marriage is a panacea. Besides, nobody is forcing you to be a polygamist. This is a choice.

There are practical reasons, too. It’s harder and harder these days to make ends meet. As a man, I can only imagine how much more efficient it would be to have one wife in the workforce and another wife at home with the kids. This would be much better for the children than shipping them off to some nursery school. And having three parents is a lot better than having just one … or none.

So I think we should embrace this new world. This seems like a win/win/win if you ask me.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexuality; marriage; polygamy
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1 posted on 06/27/2013 8:59:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Polygamy has been far more prevalent than the recent invention of gay marriage throughout over 6000 years of recorded human history.


2 posted on 06/27/2013 9:02:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t see how you could deny this. This ruling really opens pandora’s box on the family structure in the once great U.S.

It opens the door for Islam’s support of multiple wives along with Mormonism if they want to bring that back.

I think it could even knock down barriers on age limits for relationships.

It’s gonna be a mess.


3 posted on 06/27/2013 9:02:57 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: SeekAndFind; Elsie

4 posted on 06/27/2013 9:05:07 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: SeekAndFind

And all is proceeding as I have predicted. And it took less than 24 hours for the polygamy people to start making comparisons and asking why they can’t have multiple wives? Actually, there is historical precedence for polygamy, unlike homosexual marriage. I have posted previously, that if there is nothing special about marriage being between one man and one woman; then, what is so special about the number two?


5 posted on 06/27/2013 9:05:15 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: SeekAndFind

If the Democrats think an issue will get them votes, they’re all for normalizing it. So, no beastiality isn’t out of the question.


6 posted on 06/27/2013 9:06:04 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know if polygamy will be the next great “civil right movement” with respect to marriage or not. I do know that human nature is such that every limitation will be pushed, and that success breeds further pushing.

There will be many more redefinitions of marriage to come, and all will compete to be the basest, most vile forms of perversions yet. I have no prediction which, because I don’t have the kind of mind that invents that sort of thing. But someone does, and it will come.

Once you begin the process of redefinition, it doesn’t stop until there is any definition is totally meaningless. Goodbye marriage forever.


7 posted on 06/27/2013 9:07:35 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: SeekAndFind

Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a polygamist, was he not?


8 posted on 06/27/2013 9:08:19 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind
Matt Lewis is confused. This decision throws open the gates to "marriage" between anyone and anything. It's a legal precedent for polygamy, polyandry, bestiality, pederasty -- any possible combination.

And his rather silly piece overlooks the real motive behind homosexual "marriage:" the total destruction of the institution of marriage itself. Reductio ad absurdam. The United States has "progressed" back to paganism.

9 posted on 06/27/2013 9:08:31 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: SeekAndFind

My Five Wives
Starring Rodney Dangerfield, Andrew Dice Clay, and Jerry Stiller
Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUkZWaa4qQ8

My Three Wive on TLC. (Life imitates art)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bI4Gkc01xU


10 posted on 06/27/2013 9:10:09 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: SCHROLL

> So, no beastiality isn’t out of the question.

Neither is paedophilia.

It’s your kids they’ve wanted all along anyway.

The gay marriage thing was really just a camel’s nose under the tent for paedophilia.


11 posted on 06/27/2013 9:11:17 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Bernard Marx

NAMBLA is probably celebrating, too.


12 posted on 06/27/2013 9:11:34 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: ealgeone
"This ruling really opens pandora’s box...."

I love my truck - why can't I marry her and get Obamacare to pay my mechanic's bills?
Don't be an "auto-phobe"....

13 posted on 06/27/2013 9:13:32 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: SeekAndFind

Not trying to be a smart-alec, but not what homo marriage is the law of the land, polygamy is no big deal. At least IMHO, polygamy is within the correct two sexes. If you were to argue for poly-gay marriage, I’d agree that’s a notch lower on the perversion scale.


14 posted on 06/27/2013 9:14:11 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: SeekAndFind
At least Polygamy is a natural act.

What is the difference a man having a wife and a mistress and Polygamy.

Certainly Polygamy will either be approved in the near future or we will se the hypocrisy of this ruling.

15 posted on 06/27/2013 9:15:56 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Sooth2222
In the 2012 Presidential election where preservation of bible based marriage was an issue.

The democrat candidate's father was a practicing polygamist of a polygamy religion, and the republican candidate was a bishop in a religion where his great grandfather had practiced polygamy, and in fact left America to preserve his church's practice.

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16 posted on 06/27/2013 9:15:57 AM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: Psalm 73

I remember reading in the local newspaper (some 15 or more years ago) about some guy here in the US who wanted to marry his car. The court he petitioned turned him down. No joke!


17 posted on 06/27/2013 9:16:07 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I really like steelhead trout.

Why can’t I marry them all?


18 posted on 06/27/2013 9:16:32 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If you’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Read this and see how far America has come in fulfilling the Karl Marx (Communist Manifesto).

Obama told us he would change America....Rush Limbaugh said he hoped Obama would fail...Obama has succeeded beyond his and our enemies wildest dreams...We cannot lose the Congress and must take the Senate in 2014.

Pay close attention to the MSM and what they are pushing....rebut where ever you can...(remember) these Americans, 'carry' them with you always...Love and Honor America as never before while this fraud in the White House tries to move Americans to the left and deprive you of your civil rights and your United States Constitution....America First Always! Obamaphiles Be Damned!

19 posted on 06/27/2013 9:19:18 AM PDT by yoe
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To: ealgeone

Japanese Man Marries Pillow

A 28 year-old man from Japan has fallen in love with and married his ‘dakimakura’, which is a large pillow that usually has the face of an anime character drawn on it. The particular pillow he fell for had a picture of Fate Testarossa, who is a character in the anime series called ‘Magic Girl’.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV6Yg6ZkolQ


20 posted on 06/27/2013 9:20:07 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In the Old Testament, the punishment for homosexuality was death. The punishment for polygamy was multiple mother-in-laws.


21 posted on 06/27/2013 9:20:30 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I remember reading in the local newspaper (some 15 or more years ago) about some guy here in the US who wanted to marry his car. The court he petitioned turned him down. No joke!

Did his mother object to the marriage?

22 posted on 06/27/2013 9:23:43 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
I really like steelhead trout. Why can’t I marry them all?

All of them!?! Even a guy name Miltie might have a hard time satisfying all of them.

23 posted on 06/27/2013 9:26:56 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Bernard Marx

Karl Marx,

“...communism abolishes eternal truths, it abolishes all religion, and all morality...Abolition of the family !...we destroy the most hallowed of relations...The bourgeois clap-trap about the family,about the hallowed co-relation of parent and child, becomes all the more disgusting... “

The Communist Manifesto.


24 posted on 06/27/2013 9:27:28 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Happily in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about a way to get around inheritance laws? Marry your son or daughter? Besides, Muslims are into incest anyway.


25 posted on 06/27/2013 9:28:16 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: SeekAndFind

It will. AS so will “marrying” dogs and horses and sheep...and getting “spousal” employer benefits. Rush called this over 15 years ago.


26 posted on 06/27/2013 9:30:20 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Bible puts them right next to each other.
27 posted on 06/27/2013 9:31:23 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

The inevitable push for polygamy is one of the reasons that I could not support Mitt Romney for president.


28 posted on 06/27/2013 9:31:47 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Bible puts them right next to each other.

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.

29 posted on 06/27/2013 9:31:53 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

Re the discussion on polygamy, I suggest considering instead the idea of multi-party marriage contracts made for business and financial reasons. And not merely one-marriage with many partners, but many-to-many marriages, all for business and financial purposes.

For example, I’d marry my adult children for health insurance purposes.

For example, I’d marry, for a fee, a million subscribers who would share my insurance coverage and tax benefits.

For example, I’d marry into one set of partners for purpose A, and marry into other sets of partners for purposes B, C, D, and E.

I’d like to see a conservative group take the lead on this.


30 posted on 06/27/2013 9:34:27 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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To: sickoflibs

I’ve changed my mind - I favor ‘marriage’ between any combination of living things.


31 posted on 06/27/2013 9:34:43 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: GOPJ

“I’ve changed my mind - I favor ‘marriage’ between any combination of living things.”

But I want to marry my Stratocaster! Who are you to deny the love between a man and his guitar?


32 posted on 06/27/2013 9:38:54 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (The average American voter is an idiot. Which is how the Dems want it.)
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To: ealgeone

If the government would get out of the marriage business ie: tax exemptions, bennies, etc. none of this would be an issue.


33 posted on 06/27/2013 9:40:06 AM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

How would you deal with the issues of divorce, custody of children, support of spouses and children?


34 posted on 06/27/2013 9:41:53 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food

That is an entirely different issue.


35 posted on 06/27/2013 9:43:57 AM PDT by sheana
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To: SeekAndFind

We’ve destroyed the institution of marriage. We might as well end governmental recognition of marriage. Just let churches handle it.


36 posted on 06/27/2013 9:44:10 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: sheana
Are you proposing that government deal with divorce (the termination of marriage), custody of children, support of spouses and children, but not have any rules regarding the creation of marriage?

I'm not sure how that would work.

37 posted on 06/27/2013 9:47:16 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: ansel12

Now come on, let’s not blame something on Romney over which he has no control over...


38 posted on 06/27/2013 9:47:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The case for polygamy (Why shouldn’t marriage equality apply to them, too?)

Well; GOD did seem to mention it at one time; to one fella...



Polygamy: How it all got Started in America
 



 
 
 
Joe: Hey Emma!   Guess what!?
 
Emma: You KNOW I hate these guessing games! What is it, Dear?
 
Joe: I heard a voice, probably the Lord, tell me I must take other wives.
 
Emma: WHAT!?   You ding bat!  Don't you KNOW what our precious BOOK says?   After all; YOU are the one that translated it!
 
Joe: Books; schmooks.   All I know is I've been COMMANDED to take other wives and you are to OBEY ME!!!
 
 
Emma:      "Though shalt NOT commit ADULTERY!!!"
 
 
Joe: Silly Woman!  You KNOW better than to take things out of CONTEXT!!!
 
 
 
 
 

 
...and the rest is HISTORY...
 

 
 
 
 
 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

Or even HERE:
 

 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.



 
 
Emma: That's IT!   I'm LEAVING your sorry *!!! 
  
            Can't you EVER get straight what GOD tells you???
 
          Doctrines and Covenants 49:16 Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one awife, and they twain shall be bone flesh, and all this that the cearth might answer the end of its creation;
 
 
 
 
Joe:  DARN you Emma; you were TOLD to accept this!!   Wait!!!   I hear a voice again!!!
 
 


 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
  51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
 
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.


39 posted on 06/27/2013 9:52:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Psalm 73

Or a ‘HATER’!!!


40 posted on 06/27/2013 9:53:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Psalm 73
"This ruling really opens pandora’s box...."

(I'm gonna search downthread for other straight lines first...)

41 posted on 06/27/2013 9:54:17 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Polygamy has always existed. Homosexual marriage has never existed. And does not exist.


42 posted on 06/27/2013 9:55:09 AM PDT by marron
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"The court he petitioned turned him down."

Not any more, Jack!

43 posted on 06/27/2013 9:55:30 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Venturer
At least Polygamy is a natural act.

Biblically; so is homosexualism.

The NATURAL man does ALL of these things...

44 posted on 06/27/2013 9:55:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The argument for polygamy is much, much stronger than for homosexual “marriages”.

And the fact that there is an absolute and worsening shortage of boys who have been trained up to be husbands, while the desire to become a wife remains very strong, makes the sexual economics of the situation a re-inforcing principle.

Polygamy will be legalized within 24 months, if not sooner.


45 posted on 06/27/2013 9:56:43 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why privilege sexual relationships, other than Sex being the god of our age?

Why should people whose primary attachment is not sexual be denied federal benefits? Everyone is entitled to (at least) one significant other.


46 posted on 06/27/2013 9:56:57 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: ansel12; Sooth2222; District13; teppe


Oh oh... SOMEone is in BIG trouble!!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

47 posted on 06/27/2013 9:57:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Know it well. Most people don't.

How far has our collective ignorance (nurtured by "educational" and media Communist propaganda) spread? I just saw this headline on Beck's "Blaze:"

Rasmussen: 26% of Obama Supporters (And Shocking Number of Gov’t Workers) See Tea Party as Nation’s ‘Top Terror Threat’

48 posted on 06/27/2013 9:58:09 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Venturer
What is the difference a man having a wife and a mistress and Polygamy

The difference is that the mistress causes heartbreak, divorce, and fatherlessness, while polygamy does not.

49 posted on 06/27/2013 9:59:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: SCHROLL
If the Democrats think an issue will get them votes, they’re all for normalizing it. So, no beastiality isn’t out of the question.

Goats for Hillary 2016


50 posted on 06/27/2013 9:59:40 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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