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Ecuador breaks US trade pact to thwart 'blackmail' over Snowden asylum
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/27/ecuador-us-trade-pact-edward-snowden ^

Posted on 06/27/2013 5:10:48 PM PDT by kronos77

Government renounces Andean Trade Preference Act even as Snowden's prospects of reaching Ecuador from Moscow

The Guardian, Thursday 27 June 2013 19.56 BST Jump to comments (1069)

Ecuador's foreign minister Ricardo Patino (centre left). Snowden's asylum request has yet to be processed. Photograph: Edgar Su/Reuters

Ecuador has ramped up its defiance of the US over Edward Snowden by waiving preferential trade rights with Washington even as the whistleblower's prospect of reaching Quito dimmed.

President Rafael Correa's government said on Thursday it was renouncing the Andean Trade Preference Act to thwart US "blackmail" of Ecuador in the former NSA contractor's asylum request.

Officials, speaking at an early morning press conference, also offered a $23m donation for human rights training in the US, a brash riposte to recent US criticism of Ecuador's own human rights record.

Betty Tola, the minister of political coordination, said the asylum request had not been processed because Snowden, who is believed to be at Moscow airport, was neither in Ecuador nor at an Ecuadorean embassy or consulate. "The petitioner is not in Ecuadorean territory as the law requires."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ecuador; obama; putin; snowden; sourcetitlenoturl

1 posted on 06/27/2013 5:10:48 PM PDT by kronos77
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To: kronos77

When a pipsqueak country like Ecuador gives Obama the back of their hand, you know he’s the biggest loser ever to lie his way into the presidency.


2 posted on 06/27/2013 5:12:45 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: kronos77
No problem....The President left town. But I'm sure he'll read about it in the paper when he gets back.

Even Biden is starting to look good.

3 posted on 06/27/2013 5:13:40 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: kronos77

The US under the Left—Klintoon ,etc —really dissed Ecuador, would not help them, like we avoided helping columbia until Bush came in...Ecaudor has been trying to build a decent capitalist free country and this Rafael Correa, Pres is a good guy.

Ecuador is now giving the finger to Obozo and good for Correa. The left in the US only wants to help Chavez and Castro ..not the true democracies that are struggling in S America!


4 posted on 06/27/2013 5:17:47 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Will Freepr combat)
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To: Sacajaweau

Biden always looked better.
No, really.
Biden is a dimwit and a scoundrel, but he’s just a run of the mill dimwit and scoundrel. He isn’t run by the Chicago crew like this guy.


5 posted on 06/27/2013 5:20:08 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: kronos77
Ecuador breaks US trade pact to thwart 'blackmail' over Snowden asylum

Ecuador treats obama like a quivering pussy.

Jimmy Carter rejoices.

6 posted on 06/27/2013 5:22:35 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Correa is a Communist-lite, a Chavez-wannabe and extremely anti-American. Even when the courts rules for Shell in the environmental oil spill case, Correa refused to honor it.

Also, he has allowed FARC narco-communist Colombian terrorists to set up camps inside Ecuador.

Eventually he will be ousted or executed for treason but it might take a while since he has some protection from Castro, Maduro, Morales and maybe the Brazilian reds.


7 posted on 06/27/2013 5:23:28 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: kronos77

offered a $23m donation for human rights training in the US

And I’ll bet you can figure out who that 23 million
might go to...it sure wouldn’t be the Boy Scouts.


8 posted on 06/27/2013 5:30:23 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: kronos77; Mase; Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy; 1010RD; DannyTN
Correa's government said on Thursday it was renouncing the Andean Trade Preference Act to thwart US "blackmail" of Ecuador in the former NSA contractor's asylum request.

Imagine the situation --there's Obama telling Correa "Look here you little twerp, I OWN you, gimme Snowden or you can kiss that wonderful free trade agreement goodbye!"  So what happens?  The 'little twerp' says--

---because they got more loony left-wingers hating free trade than we do!  Correa can't lose on this one, he flips off the US, he panders to the loony left, OK so the economy suffers but he'll just blame it all on Bush.

9 posted on 06/27/2013 5:30:44 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: kronos77

Under the gay leash of the Marxist Indonesian Impostor
Tyrant, the US has lost all respect around the world.


10 posted on 06/27/2013 5:31:49 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

OK, I will check with my friend from s America...to verify what you say and get her opinion..thanks for posting .


11 posted on 06/27/2013 5:33:42 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Will Freepr combat)
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To: kronos77
Another plank out of Americas diplomatic tower. Thanks Obama.


12 posted on 06/27/2013 5:37:21 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Correa is a commie.
Chavez wannabe, but smarter with it.
Also benefited from his inability to totally destroy foreign oil principals, thus benefiting from the oil boom without totally screwing up the economy like Chavez did.


13 posted on 06/27/2013 5:38:26 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: expat_panama

It’s not really a free trade agreement anyway. But if I know my history, Reagan’s Fault™.


14 posted on 06/27/2013 5:38:35 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

He’s actually got protection from high oil prices and the private expansion of oil production in Ecuador.
He has been much smarter than Chavez. Lots of noise on that front but the money keeps rolling in. Thats why he’s popular - collecting oil money and giving it away.
This can go on for a while.


15 posted on 06/27/2013 5:40:55 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: kronos77

Ecuador slapping Obama in his tutu.


16 posted on 06/27/2013 5:45:33 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 1rudeboy
...not really a free trade agreement...

What, because it doesn't have the words "Free Trade Agreement" in the title?   Sounds like more of a distinction than a differnce

17 posted on 06/27/2013 5:47:55 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

A good guy?
He is a communist .


18 posted on 06/27/2013 5:50:14 PM PDT by ncalburt (Amnesty media out in full force)
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To: kronos77

JugEars likes to be b!tch slapped by third world dictators. He is jealous of them.


19 posted on 06/27/2013 5:50:34 PM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing - Joe Pine)
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To: expat_panama

Again, if I recall correctly, the U.S. agreed to import stuff from Ecuador duty-free if it allowed us to try and eliminate it’s coca-production. If you were an American manufacturer, you were still SOL.


20 posted on 06/27/2013 5:51:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: kronos77
Interestingly AP ran a piece today saying the temp travel papers from Ecuadorian embassy in London given to Snowden were unauthorized and invalid, which would lead you to think they were backing away from him.
21 posted on 06/27/2013 5:52:25 PM PDT by 1066AD
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it's = its

God, I hate doing that . . . .

22 posted on 06/27/2013 5:52:36 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: buwaya

You are right that Correa is smarter than the average red but in the end, he is a communist, or more precisely, a Marxist-lite.

Unfortunately fools like him help the bigger reds in their anti-American operations despite the cover of keeping varying degrees of capitalism. If the oil boom hits the skids, and he has no fracking for gas, then watch the iron fist descend just like Chavez did to Venezuela.

Also watch of the flight of capital and the upper/middle class in Ecuador if things start to go wrong.

It happened in Nicaragua, Cuba, El Salvador, etc.


23 posted on 06/27/2013 5:54:16 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

He’s not that lite, actually.


24 posted on 06/27/2013 5:54:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: Caipirabob

They’re making Obama look like Ned Beatty in Deliverance.


25 posted on 06/27/2013 5:58:11 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Is that bad? Or, good?


26 posted on 06/27/2013 6:06:31 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: kronos77

this is funny Ecuador treating the US like we have a petty third world dictator for a leader..oops we do.


27 posted on 06/27/2013 6:09:41 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Yes, exactly.
He can keep up the giveaways as long as he doesn’t kill the golden goose, or if it doesn’t just fly away.

Nicaragua, Cuba, etc. had no oil income to rely on.


28 posted on 06/27/2013 6:11:21 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: RedHeeler

I wouldn’t like it but Obama probably does.


29 posted on 06/27/2013 6:11:47 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obama; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: kronos77

Why are we Free Trading with a Commie in the first place?


30 posted on 06/27/2013 7:28:57 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Don't Blame Me For La Raza Rubio....I Voted For Alex Snitker)
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To: 1rudeboy
...import stuff from Ecuador duty-free if it allowed us to try and eliminate it’s coca-production. If you were an American manufacturer...

--then you'd be happy about the tax-cuts Ecuadorian bananas, oil, shrimp, tuna.  Lower taxes are what business need.

31 posted on 06/28/2013 3:52:49 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: kronos77
obongo is so weak and pathetic. Not only do the bears and pandas have him cowering, but now even the rabbits and turtles are emboldened to kick him into the lockers and tug on what is already his spelunker's wedgie.

A fraud telegraphing that much weakness doesn't need a "kick me" sign taped to his back.

32 posted on 06/28/2013 4:05:38 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: buwaya; Mad Max; All

FROM MY FRIEND WHO WAS BORN IN ECUADOR AND IS A PROUD AMERICAN CITIZEN:

Just a few thoughts on this Snowden issue...,
Rafael Correa is now serving his third term as president of Ecuador. He received 57% of the vote in a democratic election in 2013. He was educated in Ecuador, Belgium and in the University of Illionois as an economist. He’s won numerous awards internationally.He’s published countless papers in economic periodicals. He got Ecuador out of an illegal 3 billion debt that previous corrupt politicians had accumulated. He meets regularly with indigenous leaders and is greatly concerned about the oil contamination in the jungle lands that belong to these people.

They have fought a battle with Shell and now Chevron and won a several million dollar law suit which Chevron refuses to pay. The battle has been going on for over 20 years. Meanwhile babies are dying of strange liver toxicities and the land is contaminated. Ecuador has never invaded another country. In fact, in 1948 Peru invaded Ecuador and stole millions upon millions of acres in the jungle claiming it for itself. After WWII the US offered to buy the Galapagos Islands and were it not for Prince Phillip, Charles father, the Galapagos would now be another Miami instead of the incredible wildlife sanctuary that it is today.

Correa is not a communist, but he is a politician and he looks out for his country’s best interests, just as the US does. So he is criticized for rubbing elbows with Cesar Chavez yet the US rubs elbows with China all the time despite the fact China is hacking into our security system? We allow a buffoon basketball player to go to North Korea, a known enemy of the democracy and the free world, and then return to the US spewing out what a great guy their leader is? Please help me understand this.

Drugs have never been a problem in Ecuador. However, one big problem is illegal immigration from Colombia because the immigrants bring trouble and drugs. The Colombian narco traffickers have been a huge problem in northern Ecuador for years. They regularly invade the border. Even though Ecuadorian military try to guard the border with Colombia it’s impossible jungle territory with no roads and lots of hazards. It’s not like the US/Mexican border at all. Having said that about drugs, yes there are drugs in Guayaquil and Quito, but Ecuadorians are not the target market. America is. Here is where the money and the demand is.

So, let’s not throw any stones yet because we have fought a war on drugs and it is going nowhere. Why? Because there is money to be made here and it is in the best interests of the powers that be to keep people drugged and to make money. Having said that, is there smuggling between Colombia and Ecuador? Sure there is. I used to watch the burros come over from my bedroom window in the small village of Esperanza in northern Ecuador every morning. They have been bringing in good like ketchup and shampoo from Colombia for years. They’re probably doing it as I write this.

Let’s get back to Snowden. To address this issue you have to look back into the history between Latin America and the US. Teddy Rosevelt said, “walk softly and carry a big stick”. He was referring to our relationship with Latin America. For so long the US has considered Latin America as its back yard and countries like Ecuador insignificant, backwater hovels where the US could do whatever it wanted, take whatever it wanted and have no consequences. Guess what? Now is the time to reap what has been planted. Anaconda Copper owned by US interests guarded it’s plant with armed guards and shot anyone who came near the plant. Shell, Exon, Chevron have destroyed thousands of acres of land, contaminated forever these pristine properties that did not belong to them. See the movie Crude.

The Ecuadorians won the legal battle after more than 20 years and STILL Chevron refuses to pay. As it has been said many, many times..., who knows what has been destroyed in the Amazon? Who knows if somewhere in the jungle lies the cure for cancer, Alzheimers, auto-immune diseases? The jungle has barely been explored and millions of species of plants have not even been discovered. Yet the US has considered Ecuador a small defenseless territory that can be used and thrown away, discarded and discredited.

Correa refused to re-new the lease for the US naval base in Manta. When asked about it he said he would allow the lease when the US agrees that Ecuador could have a base in Miami. See, it doesn’t go both ways.

By the way, Ecuador discarded the old currency years ago and uses the American dollar as its official currency. So this attitude of the US to do whatever it feels like to countries such as Ecuador have been brewing resentment inside Ecuador for a very long time. Years ago the famous painter Guayasamin was asked to do a mural in front of the US consulate. He painted a skull and cross bones with the letters CIA above it. The consulate was not pleased.

You have to remember one thing. Ecuador is a indigenous country primarily and indigenous people have a long memory and much patience. So, by taking in someome like Snowden is an act of defiance and independent action by a free nation and a democratically elected president.

One more thing on a personal note. My father was given asylum by Ecuador. In 1933 just after Adolf Hitler became chancelor of Germany my father was targeted by the SS to be arrested, imprisoned and sent to Dachau, the first concentration camp. He printed anti-Nazi literature in Berlin. Almost immediately Hitler targeted anyone who defied his regime. You usually see old films of smiling Germans heiling and giving flowers to the marching Naziis. What you don’t see on those old films are the Germans who actively resisted Hitler.

My father applied to Switzerland, Canada, and the US for asylum. None of these countries agreed even though his older brother already lived in the US. Ecuador was the only country to give my father asylum. Over 40,000 non-Jewish Germans who resisted Hitler were killed in concentration camps even before the Jewish people were exterminated. My grandfather was arrested and held and “questioned” for 3 weeks after my father left.

I was born in Ecuador. I grew up in the US and yes, I am a proud American. I cannot say if Snowden is right or wrong, but he has a right to be heard and listened to. I think we are given bits and pieces of the truth by the media, but not enough to form a fair opinion.


33 posted on 06/28/2013 9:57:50 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Will Freepr combat)
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To: kronos77

<...”Snowden’s asylum request has yet to be processed”....>

Interesting they still drag their feet on this....bottom line from Snowdens perspective...he’s still cornered in an airport in Moscow.

With all the connections Assange has, he said he’d be out of the Ecudor Embassy in London within a year....year past now and he still sits cornered.

Snowden may very well be in for a long stay as Ecuador uses him to play their hand.


34 posted on 06/28/2013 10:03:03 AM PDT by caww
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To: 1066AD

<...”the temp travel papers from Ecuadorian embassy in London given to Snowden were unauthorized and invalid, which would lead you to think they were backing away from him”....>

What they have actually done is the same thing they did with Assange.... Backed them both in a corner while they play their hand with the big boys.

Both these guys wanted to play in the pros without understanding who the real players are and where they stand. Both are finding out if you’re a fool you will be played as one in their ball park.


35 posted on 06/28/2013 10:07:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

There is a lot more to the Shell/Chevron environmental cases than you have written, so people are going to have to google them to see the original contracts and court decisions.

Not holding the companies “harmless” re environmental damage (which is the field I work in), but there are always at least two sides to a story, and you have to remember that there were basically no environmental laws back when the original drilling contracts were let.

Correa is still a Marxist-Lite despite any other wording to describe him. He’s knowingly playing with the devil and he’s gonna get burnt someday.

Re Ecuador taking in German Jewish refugees when no other country listed would, you are right, but so did Bolivia (Ruth King, the writer, escaped there with her family in the late 30’s). I think that Somoza’s Nicaragua and Chile also took in Jewish refugees during the 30’s/40’s and Nicaragua (if memory serves me correctly), was the first country to recognize the new state of Israel.

Now remember, Latin America was basically run by dictators and strongmen during the 1930’s, 40’s and 50’s until Jimenez was ousted in Venezuela about 1956, thus starting the “liberation” trend in that region which continued into the 1980s’ (often to be replaced by marxist dictatorships - Nicaragua, Venezuela, Bolivia - partial control - outlying regions have resisted Morales’ dictatorial urges, etc.

However, if you check, the original Jewish refugee groups of Latin America have fled from the Marxist Sandinistas of Nicaragua, some from the authoritarian left of Argentina, Chavez’s Venezuela, and perhaps another smaller country which turned Left.

Ecuador as a country seems to be a nice place. It is the politicians who continually screw it up for various reasons.


36 posted on 06/28/2013 11:35:34 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

thanks for your post...I will have to get my friend ( who actually wrote what I posted)to start posting on Freepr so that you can discuss this with someone who knows more than I do.

I appreciate your reasoned discussion. I am learning a lot.

I am forwarding your post to my friend.


37 posted on 06/28/2013 2:53:51 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Will Freepr combat)
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To: ncalburt

“He is a communist .”

Compared to the kenyan emperor he’s a far right wing conservative.


38 posted on 06/28/2013 3:24:54 PM PDT by SgtBilko
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