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Copperhead
American Thinker ^ | June 28, 2013 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 06/28/2013 12:23:43 AM PDT by neverdem

It's a miracle! A fascinating and compelling movie whose plot is driven by the protagonist's fidelity to the Constitution. (In fact there were more mentions of the Constitution than any other movie I have ever seen.) You have never seen a movie like Copperhead, and you ought to take the opportunity to see it on a big screen if you live in one of the forty-some cities where it is opening today. But even if you don't, it is available today via all on-demand platforms, which is a great strategy to reach the widely dispersed audience that would appreciate this movie and have access to on-demand via cable, satellite, or the internet.

The story covers several months starting in the spring of 1862, as the Civil War began to felt in upstate New York, where dairy farmer Abner Beech holds a very politically incorrect view for his time and place: he is a so-called Copperhead who believes that the war was unwise, that President Lincoln has violated the Constitution in his conduct of the war, and the Confederacy should be allowed to go its own way or reunite with the Union, as it wishes.

Far from being a racist indifferent to slavery, Beech deplores it, and the viewer discovers that he has been secretly part of the Underground Railroad funneling fugitive slaves to Canada. The neighbors that react negatively to his stance have no clue as to his beliefs, and the abuse he endures is in the end tragic in unexpected ways. I won't spoil the plot, but it is the very opposite of a preachy, talky movie about politics. The characters have depth, the acting and directing are terrific, and the plot moves forward in a completely logical and compelling manner. There is romance, conflict, violence, and much more...

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1 posted on 06/28/2013 12:23:43 AM PDT by neverdem
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2 posted on 06/28/2013 12:29:27 AM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: neverdem
So far, MSM reviewers seem to hate it. Always a positive sign.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/copperhead_2013/#contentReviews

3 posted on 06/28/2013 12:34:20 AM PDT by TChad
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To: neverdem

Copperhead...aka peace democrat....were very pro slavery ....the thought that a copperhead would have anything to do with freeing slaves is laughable...

This looks like history revision at play to me...shoving a copperhead in a democrats face leaves them defensless when they try and spin the southern strategy myth...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperhead_(politics)


4 posted on 06/28/2013 2:30:50 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: neverdem

I wonder if that black congress woman, who’s name escapes for the moment, will have a cameo appearance since she was freed...from slavery...

I tend to forget the names of ignoramuses...


5 posted on 06/28/2013 2:56:14 AM PDT by Popman (Godlessness is always the first step to the concentration camp.)
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To: neverdem; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Cincinatus' Wife; ...
It is showing in Dallas at the AMC Mesquite 30
19919 Lyndon B Johnson Fwy, Mesquite, TX 75149
(972) 329-3990
http://www.amctheatres.com/movie-theatres/amc-mesquite-30 - See more at: http://www.copperheadthemovie.com/see-the-film/theater-listing#sthash.UBF93opq.dpuf

Gadzooks! I’ll be at the 12:30 screening, so see ya... there!

6 posted on 06/28/2013 3:08:23 AM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: neverdem
It is hard for most Americans to relate to the USA of 150 years ago when FedGov™ was considered a small but useful tool to do a few specific things. Most people had allegiance to their state first, as it should be. But alas the state now is a cartoon of its old self, here to maintain roads and give you a little sticker to put on your license plate.

The Republic is dead and Lincoln started the ball rolling towards FedGov™ domination.

During this time of great destruction and Lincoln's hatred for states rights, the the Copperheads were the only decent people North of the Mason-Dixon, God bless the Copperheads.

I will see this movie....

7 posted on 06/28/2013 3:12:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Crim

Eggzackly.

In the mid-term election that apparently plays a big role in the plot, the Democrats’ (Peace and War) primary strategy was to exacerbate racial antagonism. In the NYC draft riots of 1863, the rioters were largely, though not exclusively, focused on killing black men.

Haven’t seen the movie, and don’t know if I will, but I strongly suspect it portrays the Copperheads as 1970s Vietnam War resisters before their time.

Which is a shame. A much better movie could have been made by showing the complexity of the issue. That attitudes we applaud today (like pacifism) and those we despise (like virulent even for the time racism) were often inextricably linked.

Locating the movie in NY was also pretty odd, as the real Copperheads were concentrated in the midwest.


8 posted on 06/28/2013 3:13:57 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: central_va

God bless racist democrats?

Really?


9 posted on 06/28/2013 3:30:00 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Crim
God bless racist democrats? Really?

Guess what? EVERYONE in the mid 19th century was a racist by today's standards, even the demi-God Lincoln was a racist.

10 posted on 06/28/2013 3:36:34 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Haven’t seen the movie, and don’t know if I will

Afraid of deprogramming the reconstructed history that permeates your brain?

11 posted on 06/28/2013 3:38:36 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Ah yes...I guess the abolitionists were racist then...since everyone was a racist....

Neo-confederacy isnt cool...


12 posted on 06/28/2013 3:39:49 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Crim

In the mid-nineteenth century Abolitionists were considered a small group of crazy people, radical kooks , even in the North.


13 posted on 06/28/2013 3:41:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: neverdem

This discussion shows how complex the issues in the Civil War were. Once side fighting to preserve states’ rights and property rights, but human beings were part of that property, while the other side was fighting to preserve the union, and prevent the spread of slavery, but had to set the power of the federal government over that of states and individuals in order to accomplish that goal.

The point of Lord of the Rings and Star Wars was that evil means used to pursue good ends will have evil results. I think one can see that in the Civil War.


14 posted on 06/28/2013 3:50:04 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: neverdem
Copperheads were strong proponents of Southern slavery and decried abolitionism on Constitutional grounds.

They abhorred the Underground Railroad as an organized conspiracy to violate the "rights" of slave states and their citizens in defiance of the constitutionality of the Dred Scott,

One might as well make a movie with a fictional Northern protagonist who was a staunch opponent of the Confederacy, participated in Sherman's March and also advocated legalizing slavery in the North.

The film is ahistorical and incoherent.

15 posted on 06/28/2013 3:50:40 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
The Copperheads by Herold Frederic

Frederic was born in Utica, New York, to Presbyterian parents. After his father was killed in a train accident when Frederic was 18 months old, the boy was raised primarily by his mother. He finished school at fifteen, and soon began work as a photographer. For four years he was a photographic touch-up artist in his hometown and in Boston. In 1875 he began work as a proofreader for the Utica Herald and then the Utica Daily Observer. Frederic later became a reporter, and by 1882 he was editor of the Albany Evening Journal.

Sounds like a Yankee to me. I wonder how he made up all of these "fantasies"...

16 posted on 06/28/2013 3:57:17 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
You realize that Frederic's book was a novel, right? A work of fiction?
17 posted on 06/28/2013 4:05:26 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Actually I have never read it. I am going to Amazon and get a copy now. Tom Clancy wrote novels too. So were his works unworthy?


18 posted on 06/28/2013 4:09:04 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: wideawake
If anyone interested here is the link to The Coppeheads on Amazon. Link here.
19 posted on 06/28/2013 4:11:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Popman

Maxine Waters


20 posted on 06/28/2013 5:21:17 AM PDT by SilverMine (ever member of congress should be horse whipped)
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To: central_va

thanx for the link


21 posted on 06/28/2013 5:22:00 AM PDT by thinden
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To: central_va

No. Irritated by people twisting history to promote their agenda.

And most of all by those who portray their heroes as 21st century liberals somehow trapped in 1860s New York, or wherever.

There probably were some Copperheads who weren’t virulently racist. But then there were probably some Vietnam War opponents who hated Communism. But in neither case were they representative, and making a movie as if they were is being intentionally deceptive.

The Copperheads had some good points in their arguments. But then so did the Tories during our Revolution.


22 posted on 06/28/2013 5:48:02 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: neverdem
Ah, so many cartoons, so little time.


23 posted on 06/28/2013 6:27:40 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

24 posted on 06/28/2013 6:36:17 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Thank goodness that you didn’t depict him as Hitler, LOL


25 posted on 06/28/2013 6:52:31 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: neverdem
I suspect that this movie has all the historical accuracy of Lincoln or Gangs of New York or that Lost Cause mainstay Outlaw Josey Wales.
26 posted on 06/28/2013 7:04:14 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: central_va
So were his works unworthy?

We are discussing whether the notion of a radical Abolitionist Copperhead was historically feasible.

It isn't.

It has little to do with Tom Clancy.

27 posted on 06/28/2013 7:07:56 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Seems like lumping everyone in certain pigeon holes is a specialty of yours. Like the pigeon hole that says the common folk of the south were fighting for slavery. How ridiculous is that? Maybe they believed in states rights over all.


28 posted on 06/28/2013 7:36:02 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr

Seems like the vampire thing and Licoln caught on early.


29 posted on 06/28/2013 7:37:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

As usual your “reasoning” as well as your provocations are so off the wall and offensive to normal people as to be self-defeating. Do you not recognize why we encourage you to post so much? LOL


30 posted on 06/28/2013 7:43:52 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

That cartoon is 150 years old. It says vampire on it. It is what it is.


31 posted on 06/28/2013 7:46:42 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

It’s your promotion of it that makes you the fool.

Duh.


32 posted on 06/28/2013 7:47:48 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

I posted it without comment. So you are now into suppressing history, you got your thug thing going today?


33 posted on 06/28/2013 7:49:53 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rockrr

34 posted on 06/28/2013 7:51:53 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Seems like lumping everyone in certain pigeon holes is a specialty of yours.

That's an amusingly non-self-aware statement.

Like the pigeon hole that says the common folk of the south were fighting for slavery.

The "common folk" of the South didn't all fight for the Confederacy. Quite a few fought for the Union.

Those who did fight for the Confederacy fought - in principle - for the Confederate Constitution, which guaranteed perpetual slavery in all its territories.

Maybe they believed in states rights over all.

"States rights" is an inherently incoherent notion. States are governments. They have powers, not rights.

Only individuals have rights.

Allow me to quote the Vice President of the Confederacy, in a public speech in Savannah, soon after President Lincoln was inaugurated:

The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions — African slavery as it exists among us — the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition.

Was the Vice President of the Confederacy wrong? Did this speech - published throughout Southern newspapers - excite controversy and disagreement?

Did any other Confederate statesman come forward and say: "With all due respect, Vice President Stephens is wrong. This conflict has absolutely nothing to do with slavery! It's all about the states rights!"

They did not. Because the Confederate Constitution weakened the states that joined it by taking away their power to decide whether slavery was legal or illegal within their boundaries.

That power was taken out of the hands of the states by the federal government of the Confederacy, giving the Confederate federal government more power over its states that the United States did.

The Confederate Constitution specifically stated that it was a permanent federal government and contained the same provisions as the US Constitution regarding federal supremacy and federal authorization to put down insurrections against the federal government.

35 posted on 06/28/2013 7:58:16 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: neverdem

3.99 Instant video on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Copperhead/dp/B00D3UVWQK/


36 posted on 06/28/2013 8:00:02 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: wideawake

Your derangement convinces me that this novel was probably based on fact. It was written by a Yankee, about Yankees for Yankees.


37 posted on 06/28/2013 8:04:19 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Nope. Just enjoying the antics of a fool.

You're becoming more of a caricature of yourself every day ;-)


38 posted on 06/28/2013 8:12:13 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

Discussing history with you is like discussing the subject of murder with Charles Manson.


39 posted on 06/28/2013 8:15:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Ouch!

Discussing history with you is like discussing revisionism with......you!


40 posted on 06/28/2013 8:18:26 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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This post is to everyone but rockrr. If you want a cogent non biased short history of the Copperheads read this:

Lincoln’s Critics: The Copperheads

Jennifer L. Weber

Click here. U of Mich

41 posted on 06/28/2013 8:24:07 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sherman Logan
But then there were probably some Vietnam War opponents who hated Communism.

Some? Almost all.

The age group most supportive of the Vietnam war was the under 30 age group, and by February 1969 they were down to 47% approval while the 30-49 age group was at 43% and the over 49 year old age group was at 31%, and the numbers were plummeting from there.

By 1970 it was (same age groups) at 41%--37%--25% and still sinking.

42 posted on 06/28/2013 8:30:50 AM PDT by ansel12 (Libertarians, Gays = in all marriage, child custody, adoption, immigration or military service laws.)
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To: central_va
Your derangement convinces me that this novel was probably based on fact.

Let's unpack that statement.

Because I gave you solid, checkable historical information, I am therefore "deranged."

That's a hard thesis to defend.

From there you extrapolate that Frederic's novel "probably" had a factual underpinning.

I hope you realize how illogical that is.

It was written by a Yankee, about Yankees for Yankees.

Frederic was an American expatriate, living in London. He changed his last name from Frederick to Frederic, to seem more cultured and cosmopolitan.

He was 9 when the Civil War ended.

The characters in the novel were certainly upstate New Yorkers.

It was written in England by an American for an international audience, not just readers in the Northern US.

Its message is: "just because Abner Beech opposed the Civil War and supported the Confederacy does not mean that he supported slavery."

Who would find this message heartwarming?

Two groups among his broader readership would have found this appealing: Northern American Democrats, who were trying to sweep their previous support for slavery under the rug, and English Liberals who were trying to sweep their history as pro-slavery Palmerston Tories under the rug.

Feel-good fiction for revisionists.

43 posted on 06/28/2013 8:31:11 AM PDT by wideawake
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44 posted on 06/28/2013 8:36:15 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: wideawake

Like I said I haven’t read it yet. I just ordered a copy. My Kindle is busted, going for hard copy.


45 posted on 06/28/2013 8:38:05 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

That’s what I like about you cva - always the reliable revisionist.


46 posted on 06/28/2013 9:06:12 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va

Since when do you get pro southern revisionism from U of Michigan? Is this something new?


47 posted on 06/28/2013 9:08:30 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
The Republic is dead and Lincoln started the ball rolling towards FedGov™ domination.

Your southron ancestors unfortunately rather stupidly conflated the States' Rights Issue with the Slavery Issue, thereby dooming constitutional States' Rights to a slow, inexorable death.

Thanks a great big Yankee Bunch. Now that the Slavery Issue was handled to our Abolitionary satisfaction, we now have to somehow go back and extricate States' Rights from the enduring mess left behind by the Civil War.

The only smart southrons were those very few who saw that Slavery was a dead issue; that the SOUTH should be first to free the slaves (and draft them into their military), and to fight the war exclusively for States' Rights, particularly the right to secede.

48 posted on 06/28/2013 9:18:25 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: neverdem

Found it on On Demand, today only. Ordered up and will watch tonight. Thanks


49 posted on 06/28/2013 9:21:08 AM PDT by IwaCornDogs ("There Will Be Bamboozeling" ~ Nobama 08')
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To: Kenny Bunk
Your southron ancestors unfortunately rather stupidly conflated the States' Rights Issue with the Slavery Issue, thereby dooming constitutional States' Rights to a slow, inexorable death.

Thanks a great big Yankee Bunch. Now that the Slavery Issue was handled to our Abolitionary satisfaction, we now have to somehow go back and extricate States' Rights from the enduring mess left behind by the Civil War.

The only smart southrons were those very few who saw that Slavery was a dead issue; that the SOUTH should be first to free the slaves (and draft them into their military), and to fight the war exclusively for States' Rights, particularly the right to secede.

Yes hind sight is 20/20. THe South had 6 month to have mutual defense treaty signed with GB, which should have been done b4 Sumter.

50 posted on 06/28/2013 9:25:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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