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Does the South Belong in the Union?
Townhall ^ | 06/28/2013 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/28/2013 8:44:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Is the Second Reconstruction over?

The first ended with the withdrawal of Union troops from the Southern states as part of a deal that gave Rutherford B. Hayes the presidency after the disputed election of 1876.

The second began with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, a century after Appomattox. Under the VRA, Southern states seeking to make even minor changes in voting laws had to come to Washington to plead their case before the Justice Department and such lions of the law as Eric Holder.

Southern states were required to get this pre-clearance for any alterations in voting laws because of systematic violations of the 14th and 15th amendment constitutional rights of black Americans to equal access to polling places and voting booths.

The South had discriminated by using poll taxes, gerrymandering and literacy tests, among other tactics. Dixie was in the penalty box because it had earned a place there.

What the Supreme Court did Tuesday, in letting the South out of the box, is to declare that, as this is not 1965, you cannot use abuses that date to 1965, but have long since disappeared, to justify indefinite federal discrimination against the American South.

You cannot impose burdens on Southern states, five of which recorded higher voting percentages among their black populations in 2012 than among their white populations, based on practices of 50 years ago that were repudiated and abandoned in another era.

You cannot punish Southern leaders in 2013 for the sins of their grandfathers. As Chief Justice John Roberts noted, black turnout in 2012 was higher in Mississippi than in Massachusetts.

Does this mean the South is now free to discriminate again?

By no means. State action that discriminates against minority voters can still be brought before the Department of Justice.

Even the "pre-clearance" provision of the VRA remains. All the court has said is that if Congress wishes to impose a pre-clearance provision on a state or group of states, Congress must have more evidence to justify unequal treatment than what "Bull" Connor did in Birmingham back in 1965.

Congress could pass a bill today authorizing Justice Department intervention in any state where the registration of blacks, Hispanics or Asians fell below 60 percent of that electorate.

What Congress can no longer do is impose conditions on Southern states from which Northern states are exempt. Washington can no longer treat the states unequally -- for that, too, is a violation of the Constitution.

The Roberts court just took a giant stride to restoring the Union.

Yet the hysterical reaction to the decision reveals a great deal.

What do critics say they are afraid of?

While conceding that immense progress has been made with the huge turnout of black voters in the South and the re-election of a black president, they say they fear that without the pre-clearance provision this would never have happened. And now that the provision no longer applies to the South, the evil old ways will return.

On several counts this is disheartening.

For what the critics of the court decision are saying is that, no matter the progress made over half a century, they do not trust the South to deal fairly and decently with its black citizens, without a club over its head. They do not believe the South has changed in its heart from the days of segregation.

They think the South is lying in wait for a new opportunity to disfranchise its black voters. And they think black Southerners are unable to defend their own interests -- without Northern liberal help.

In this belief there are elements of paranoia, condescension and bigotry.

Many liberals not only do not trust the South, some detest it. And many seem to think it deserves to be treated differently than the more progressive precincts of the nation.

Consider Wednesday's offering by Washington Post columnist Harold Meyerson. The South, he writes, is the home of "so-called right-to-work laws" and hostility to the union shop, undergirded by "the virulent racism of the white Southern establishment," a place where a "right-wing antipathy toward workers' rights" is pandemic.

The South is the "the heartland of cheap-labor America. ... When it wants to slum, business still goes to the South." Then there are those "reactionary white Republican state governments."

Were a conservative to use the term "black" as a slur the way Meyerson spits out the word "white," he would be finished at the Post. Meyerson's summation:

"If the federal government wants to build a fence that keeps the United States safe from the danger of lower wages and poverty and their attendant ills -- and the all-round fruitcakery of the right-wing white South -- it should build that fence from Norfolk to Dallas. There is nothing wrong with a fence as long as you put it in the right place."

Harold looks forward to the day that a surging Latino population forces "epochal political change" on a detestable white South.


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1 posted on 06/28/2013 8:44:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No, next question.


2 posted on 06/28/2013 8:45:52 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

OK, next question — why not?


3 posted on 06/28/2013 8:46:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: central_va

Next time fight to win...


4 posted on 06/28/2013 8:48:43 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stupid question.

A better question would be, “Should ALL the states regain their pre civil war autonomy?”


5 posted on 06/28/2013 8:49:33 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's not a good fit. They are different up there. Simple as that. President Davis quotes:

"The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic. The government of the State remains unchanged as to all internal affairs. It is only its external or confederate relations that are altered. To term this action of a Sovereign a 'rebellion' is a gross abuse of language."

"Obstacles may retard, but they cannot long prevent the progress of a movement sanctified by its justice, and sustained by a virtuous people ."

"Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever."

"The contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena." Jefferson Davis, address to the Mississippi legislature - 16 years after the wars end.

"The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form."

6 posted on 06/28/2013 8:49:49 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: cripplecreek
A better question would be, “Should ALL the states regain their pre civil war autonomy?”

Too bad King Lincoln is dead, I would love to hear his answer.

7 posted on 06/28/2013 8:50:46 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Next time, try a little harder to free MD.

;D


8 posted on 06/28/2013 8:51:37 AM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only to point this out. When Latinos reach a significant population in most southern states...you only need to arrange for the Pope to make a ten-day swing through and galvanize Latinos back to the Catholic Church. Then you pull out some Latino-Billy Graham and pump up the other half. Suddenly, you’ve got half the Latino population in America who are either Tea Party or Republican. I think the Democrats really screwed up on their long-term strategy.


9 posted on 06/28/2013 8:51:50 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: null and void

We did.
It doesn’t work when you enemy controls both the industries and the seas.


10 posted on 06/28/2013 8:51:52 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: central_va
Does the South Belong in the Union?

No the real question is "Does the North?"

11 posted on 06/28/2013 8:52:23 AM PDT by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind

Our North, Northeast, Mid North, and Southern and Northern West coast don’t have any substantive value for the South...that’s why.


12 posted on 06/28/2013 8:52:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

Dear Stupid People,

Please do a check and see who’s running the three biggest cities in Alabama and then tell me we have a racial problem in our politics.

(Post not directed toward anyone on this site.)


13 posted on 06/28/2013 8:54:01 AM PDT by suthener
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To: Salamander

MD was going Dixie then King Lincoln started arresting the legislature and the rest is history.


14 posted on 06/28/2013 8:54:41 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I ~know~...so, again, *please* come up and kick arse -harder- next time!

LOL


15 posted on 06/28/2013 8:57:41 AM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: null and void

Don’t tease the special people. LOL


16 posted on 06/28/2013 8:57:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: apillar

Bazinga!


17 posted on 06/28/2013 8:58:10 AM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: central_va

My argument in favor is based on a breach of contract. The original contract - The Constitution - has been so altered by judicial fiat and executive orders that it must be renegotiated or abandoned.


18 posted on 06/28/2013 9:00:17 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class. You can't legally marry a fourth one.)
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To: pepsionice
you’ve got half the Latino population in America who are either Tea Party or Republican.

Delusional Thinking

Blacks are by far the most religious group out there, they overwhelmingly vote Democrat. Mexicans are no different, they will vote whomever gives them the most stuff and who their race leaders tell them to vote for and rest assured that won't be the Republicans.

19 posted on 06/28/2013 9:01:13 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: reg45

How about, I just don’t like those people up there.


20 posted on 06/28/2013 9:01:18 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why should we be the ones to leave?


21 posted on 06/28/2013 9:01:57 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SeekAndFind

Where were the worst riots that protested forced bussing?

Boston!


22 posted on 06/28/2013 9:02:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
Why should we be the ones to leave?

Because our house is on fire and they are blocking the door. Leave out the window then bolt the door and let em burn. Bring marshmallows.

23 posted on 06/28/2013 9:03:47 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: apillar

That’s the best answer yet.


24 posted on 06/28/2013 9:04:23 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Does the South Belong in the Union?”, No the REAL question is DOES “New Yawrk” EVER “belong” in the “Union”?


25 posted on 06/28/2013 9:04:40 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: pepsionice
When Latinos reach a significant population in most southern states...you only need to arrange for the Pope to make a ten-day swing through and galvanize Latinos back to the Catholic Church. Then you pull out some Latino-Billy Graham and pump up the other half. Suddenly, you’ve got half the Latino population in America who are either Tea Party or Republican. I think the Democrats really screwed up on their long-term strategy.

Yet 75% of Latinos voted for Obama, and Republicans have never received a majority of the Latino vote. If Latinos today are closer to the strong Catholic environment of the homeland they left, then what makes you think that Latinos will start voting Republican after a few generations of living in incereasingly secular American society.

The truth is that, when it comes to voting, Latinos like bifggovernment and government welfare more than they like conservative Christian values. The same applies for blacks whom the church plays a big part of their life. The myth that Latinos or blacks are natural Republicans is just that -- a myth.

26 posted on 06/28/2013 9:05:36 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: SeekAndFind
The South is the "the heartland of cheap-labor America. ... When it wants to slum, business still goes to the South."

Sounds like libtard thinking.Lower costs of production lead to lower prices, which lead to a higher standard of living for consumers. Does he have a problem with raising the standard of living? More businesses competing for the labor in the South will raise average money wage rates in the long run in the South. Does he not want the poor to be able to earn more?

27 posted on 06/28/2013 9:06:26 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: suthener

The South has a future Demographic problem, Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia just to name a few will soon be permanently blue. So if you are to secede you better do it soon.


28 posted on 06/28/2013 9:07:07 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Politically speaking Nancy Pelosi taught me everything I need to know about the state of Catholicism in America.


29 posted on 06/28/2013 9:07:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Little Ray
It doesn’t work when you enemy controls both the industries and the seas.

And where is industry now?

Where are nuclear weapons actually built these days?

Where is the oil refined?

Where are the ports?

Where are the gun manufacturers moving? (Thank you Gov. Perry!)

Long term, the South is in a much stronger position than it was in the 1860's.

30 posted on 06/28/2013 9:08:24 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: SeekAndFind
They think the South is lying in wait for a new opportunity to disfranchise its black voters. And they think black Southerners are unable to defend their own interests -- without Northern liberal help. In this belief there are elements of paranoia, condescension and bigotry.

Blacks and Liberals cry about profiling in both the Zimmerman trial and in New York City's stop-and-frisk policy. Yet they are both more than comfortable profiling whites in general and white Southerners in particular as racists.

Like all race relations in America, who and who cannot be profiled is a one-way street.

31 posted on 06/28/2013 9:08:53 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: Little Ray
We did. It doesn’t work when you enemy controls both the industries and the seas.

Had Robert E. Lee not crossed the Potomac, the South would probably have won.

32 posted on 06/28/2013 9:08:58 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: null and void

AirCraft carriers are built in the South.....


33 posted on 06/28/2013 9:10:08 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I cannot imagine a priest so thoroughly debased that he would give her Holy Communion.


34 posted on 06/28/2013 9:11:57 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is all about democrats winning elections - nothing more, nothing less.

At heart, democrats don’t care about the welfare of blacks or any of the other victim groups they have created. Their concern for blacks and other victim groups begins and ends with using them to win elections.

Most democrats I have known are just as racist as anyone else in the country. Many are much more racist than the average.


35 posted on 06/28/2013 9:12:14 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Rubio's New Book: From Nobody To Senator, To Conservative savior, Then Back To Nobody")
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To: central_va
The withdrawal of a State from a league has no revolutionary or insurrectionary characteristic.

It does when you steal everything you can get your hands on and shoot up a federal fort on your way out.

36 posted on 06/28/2013 9:13:20 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: qam1

you are correct. The democRATS have hated the South since Southerners figured out it was republicans giving rights to people and democRATS taking rights away from the People. democRATS hate the People (all colors). Some down in the South simply do not understand their vote is a vote for their demise. A hard lesson is about to be learned by those voting for democRATS and their demise.


37 posted on 06/28/2013 9:14:32 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: central_va

Yep. The South is in a much better position by any objective measure.

Not only do they have significant advantages they didn’t have before, they also don’t have the rust belt, NYC, Chicago, Philly, and a whole host of other parasite dominated enclaves that currently bless the north.


38 posted on 06/28/2013 9:15:15 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

The ONE huge problem for the South is armor. Every tank is built in Ohio. We need to spread that one out.


39 posted on 06/28/2013 9:16:54 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: qam1

You are absolutely right. I think we’re still good for a while in Alabama. Sessions is the man on the immigration bill. I believe Texas is toast (pardon the pun) and soon. N.C. probably too.

Despite what the idiots are saying, this immigration bill, if passed, will change the game very significantly and very quickly. And not in our favor.


40 posted on 06/28/2013 9:17:09 AM PDT by suthener
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To: suthener

at five thousand a pop for hiring a citizen written into the bill ... I’d say you have figured this one out.


41 posted on 06/28/2013 9:20:17 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: central_va

You mean, people like me. I’m from Ill-annoy, born in Chicago, the most corrupt city in America. I don’t like the situation any more than you do. Most of the people in Illinois who live outside of Crook county would like a divorce from Chicago.


42 posted on 06/28/2013 9:20:35 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Harold looks forward to the day that a surging Latino population forces "epochal political change" on a detestable white South.

Ladies and Germs this is the very essence of these euphoric amnesty proponents during the course of the pro-illegal movement for generations, and I dread they're about to climax.

But Buchanan should have gone further and asserted desired transmutation envelops more than political features and genuinely targets cultural displacement. Or, obliteration, if you prefer.

43 posted on 06/28/2013 9:20:55 AM PDT by Dysart ( I'm terribly busy these days, but I read my posts whenever I can.)
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To: central_va

Not much in the way of anti-armor capability against an M1-A2 available anywhere. I only know of a handful lost in combat. Mostly due to being bogged down in mud.

Too bad the South lacks mud...


44 posted on 06/28/2013 9:21:14 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: reg45

It would be a very bad thing if the roads and rails to that city got cut.


45 posted on 06/28/2013 9:22:29 AM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I fully support...FULLY support...a mass secession.The dozen or so “blue” states form the Communist States of America,the rest form the Respectable States of America.In the CSA everyone gets an EBT card (and an ObamaPhone),every Mexican on earth is given immediate citizenship in the CSA,the “Department of NAMBLA” is established as a cabinet department,and other “progressive” reforms are established.The RSA is,well...respectable,decent and logical.Once established I can move to NC,TN or GA even though I hate heat and humidity.And don’t worry,Tarheels (or Volunteers,or Peach Staters),although I don’t “get” NASCAR I won’t be voting for leftists.Ever.


46 posted on 06/28/2013 9:25:47 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: null and void

No, we’re not in a strong position.
We’re poisoned by the urban areas in our midst: San Antonio, Austin, New Orleans, Atlanta, Richmond, Memphis etc. All of them strongholds of “Progressive” thought.


47 posted on 06/28/2013 9:28:16 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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48 posted on 06/28/2013 9:30:57 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Fiji Hill

Why? Would the Brits have intervened?
Personally, I think Lincoln won the war when he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. He made it about slavery, and neither France not Great Britain were going to intervene to defend slavery.


49 posted on 06/28/2013 9:33:44 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, because without the South, the Union would have ecomonically collapsed in the 70’s when the factories began closing and the rust belt developed, at that point the West would have pulled away, as they have not since the Indian Wars needed anybodies help, and have since at least the 70’s, wanted autonomy from a Big bloated Central Government.


50 posted on 06/28/2013 9:35:26 AM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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