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THE GANG OF EIGHT’S BILL WILL NEVER BECOME LAW
Powerline ^ | 06/28/2013 | JOHN HINDERAKER

Posted on 06/28/2013 12:06:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Not unless House Republicans have completely taken leave of their senses, in which case, for the first time in my lifetime, talking about a new party won’t be crazy.

As many flaws as the Gang’s bill has, we can never repeat too often that it is fundamentally misconceived in a manner that cannot be made right with a fence or even with improved interior enforcement, valuable as those things may be in their own right. The fundamental problem with the bill is what it does with legal immigration. Instead of reforming our Ted Kennedy-inspired, irrational 60s-era immigration regime, it perpetuates it and even makes it worse. Thus, the Bill authorizes somewhere between 30 million and 60 million new legal immigrants over the next ten years, 90% of them low-skill and low-wage. The Democrats hope this will create a mammoth and permanent underclass that will be forever dependent on government for security, and will reliably vote Democrat for generations. Certain business interests hope the bill will deal a crippling blow to America’s working class, driving down wages and providing an inexhaustible supply of cheap labor.

That isn’t admirable, but it makes a certain kind of sense. And we know that Democrats are contemptuous of blue-collar workers and don’t care what happens to them. Cheaper household help for bicoastal liberals? What’s not to like? But why should Republicans acquiesce in this vicious assault on America’s working class?

I am not sure why more Republicans haven’t joined in Jeff Sessions’ lonely crusade to expose the deeply misguided, if not malignant, heart of the Gang’s legislation. On this issue, as on several others over the last few years, Sessions has been the bellwether. Today he spoke at length against the Gang’s bill. In this brief excerpt, he sounded what I think (and Sessions thinks) is the most important theme: the bill was crafted by special interests to serve the Democratic Party and certain narrow economic interests by driving down the wages of America’s blue collar workers:

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE VIDEO

Let’s hope House Republicans are listening.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; bordersecurity; gangof8; immigration

1 posted on 06/28/2013 12:06:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

IMMIGRATION BILL ABOUT AMNESTY FOR OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND SOCIAL SECURITY CARD FRAUD!!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3036818/posts


2 posted on 06/28/2013 12:08:32 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If a majority of House Republicans support an immigration bill and push it through the House, the stage will be set for a conference committee and final approval. Obama will sign amnesty.

Boehner made his little politically calculated statement about passing a bill with majority support from Republicans.

IF BOEHNER GETS THE BALL ROLLING ON THAT BASIS AND GETS A BILL PASSED, ANY BILL, EVEN WITH DIFFERENCES FROM THE SENATE VERSION THEN THE GAME IS UP. AMNESTY WILL WIN IN THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND BE SIGNED BY OBAMA.


3 posted on 06/28/2013 12:12:53 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: SeekAndFind

well we have lost most of our 3 parts of government, the executive is gone, the judicial is gone and half of Congress is gone if we lose the House of Representatives, all of our checks and balances are gone including fair elections (voter fraud)

line in the sand time.


4 posted on 06/28/2013 12:13:15 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: SeekAndFind

Never say never nor underestimate the Republican penchant for helping Democrats.


5 posted on 06/28/2013 12:15:04 PM PDT by pallis
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To: rolling_stone

Correct


6 posted on 06/28/2013 12:16:36 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (The RINO/amnesty argument goes like this: 1) If we pander to Hispanics, we will save the GOP, at le)
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To: SeekAndFind
I believe that the sole purpose of this bill is to damage the Republican Party prior to the 2014 elections.

The House will block it and then Reid and the RATS will scream all the way to the elections about the racist Republicans.

7 posted on 06/28/2013 12:19:37 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: SeekAndFind

Boehner will come up with his own plan to implement Obama’s Amnesty Agenda.

D & R differ in implementation details not agenda.

1) No House bill, no Senate bill
2) Enforce Existing Law


8 posted on 06/28/2013 12:24:02 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: rolling_stone

2nd amendment. 1st amendment failed due to human nature. “The love of money” just ask dirt bags like Matt Liar. He sells his countrymen out everyday for $$$.


9 posted on 06/28/2013 12:25:43 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Redleg Duke

I believe you are correct on what you say. I do remember Zero saying he would weaken/destroy the Republicans and they are helping him every step of the way.


10 posted on 06/28/2013 12:27:21 PM PDT by elephant
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To: SeekAndFind

Well if there is any good to come of this,,it exposed the gang of eight,,Rubio, McCain, etc,,,,,all their efforts were in vain...I hope!


11 posted on 06/28/2013 12:38:57 PM PDT by austinaero
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To: Redleg Duke

If the R’s were smart (yes, that’s laughable), they would pull out the most foolish and egregious aspects of this bill and use them to mercilessly beat every democrat and RINO Republican Senator in the 2014 election cycle.

But then, that statement was based on the false premise of intellect by most of the R’s.


12 posted on 06/28/2013 12:50:54 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: Mr. K
>>IMMIGRATION BILL ABOUT AMNESTY FOR OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND SOCIAL SECURITY CARD FRAUD!!<<

No, I don't think so. That's a stretch.

Fraud, forgery, perjury, conspiracy, obstruction of justice. This I believe is the real scandal of a lifetime and a constitutional crisis. No one...I mean no one wants to touch this lil gem.

Not sure whether Obozo is a foreign citizen by birth or not (I tend to think that he is), it is entirely possible that he is indeed an American citizen but used the facade of being a foreign student to gain federal assistance in which case the above crimes still come into play.

It would just shift from usurper of the constitution to high crimes and misdemeanors.

In any case, there are so many people involved in this coverup, it would make the JFK assassination and watergate look like child's play.

13 posted on 06/28/2013 1:50:37 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: SeekAndFind; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; Liz; cripplecreek; Tennessee Nana; DoughtyOne
Chairman Carter: Senate immigration bill dead on arrival to House; continues work on comprehensive House immigration bill 06/28/13

Notice the part after the semicolon: continues work on comprehensive House immigration bill

Carter has a near 100% conservative voting record until now. He has said recently that this House "comprehensive" bill will will contain no path=to-citizenship. Who knows, nobody has seen this bill yet.

But some things trouble me about this:

1) They think the word "comprehensive" is a good thing

2) If this new House bill passes, even without a path-to-citizenship, could it go into conference with a senate committee approved by Schumer, and come out with a path-to-citizenship? After that, I doubt Boehner would stop the House from voting on it (think Dems + 35 GOP traitors/porkophiles/extortionees in the House).

I don't think Boehner has promised not to bring a conference-approved bill for vote.

14 posted on 06/28/2013 2:01:53 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

With our courts as screwed up as they are, I don’t see any situation developing where foreigners remain here and don’t get some sort of pathway to citizenship.

Some judge will say that’s inhuman, and sets up a second class resident situation. It will be struck down just like DOMA was.

Who are they trying to kid? We’re not that stupid.


15 posted on 06/28/2013 4:19:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: servantboy777

did you see the thread about the AMNESTY for anyone who used a fraudulent SS number?


16 posted on 06/28/2013 4:21:45 PM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: DoughtyOne; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
With our courts as screwed up as they are, I don’t see any situation developing where foreigners remain here and don’t get some sort of pathway to citizenship. Some judge will say that’s inhuman, and sets up a second class resident situation. It will be struck down just like DOMA was. Who are they trying to kid? We’re not that stupid.

Yes, I have posted the same concern on some thread. If the House passes such a bill ("comprehensive" but without a path-to-citizenship), maybe the best possible outcome would be that the house and senate can't agree on any bill and give up. Obama, and of course the media, are ready to escalate the demagoguery in that case.

17 posted on 06/28/2013 6:33:58 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: SeekAndFind
THE GANG OF EIGHT’S BILL WILL NEVER BECOME LAW

No offense at all intended to OP, but it seems for last decade, every time I see any positive headline, it fails to materialize.

In all likelihood after a House bill is incestuously mated with the Senate bill, the offspring will kill us all seconds after it is born.

Sorry, but some days its hard to keep your head up.

18 posted on 06/28/2013 7:25:16 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: Bronzewound

Hey Bronzewound, keep your head up!


19 posted on 06/28/2013 7:26:46 PM PDT by Bronzewound
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; BillyBoy; Perdogg
Chris Hayes again points out something you wont hear on FNC.

He pointed out how as soon as this bill passed McCain and Grahamnesty jumped on camera to rejoice and demand the House pass the bill.

But he says ‘where's Rubio? He has suddenly disappeared”

Yep, the Senate bill isnt going over well with the House GOP. Total piece of crap. Time for Rubio to hide for a while

They also pointed out how if Dems want the house to pass immigration they best tell McCain and Grahmnesty to shut up because they make many in the house GOP want to do the opposite to spite them. Insightful for sure.

20 posted on 06/28/2013 8:50:03 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; Perdogg; BillyBoy
RE :”Yes, I have posted the same concern on some thread. If the House passes such a bill (”comprehensive” but without a path-to-citizenship), maybe the best possible outcome would be that the house and senate can't agree on any bill and give up. Obama, and of course the media, are ready to escalate the demagoguery in that case.”

I heard this one on CSPAN radio this morning from a DC reporter, that is all I know about it :
They said the house would/will vote on a number separate immigration bills individually such that its not one big circle j..k of bribes and deals as with comprehensive anything. Each one is judged on its own .
, each bill requiring a slim majority of Rs w enough Dems (almost equal) to pass, and we see how difficult that is to get.

Then anything that gets though that gets put into a single bill that goes to conference.

Bohner’s on public record assuring that he wont take a conference negotiated bill to House Dems to pass as with VAWA. I doubt he will backtrack on that, but that place is crazy so hopefully you wont find this comment again if he does HA-HA.

Did I mention that Ryan is a a$$whipe?? Today?? He always gave me that feeling I got when the Kerby vaccuum salesman did giving me the sales pitch, although Rubio is much more aggressive than him in sales for sure. really dangerous.

21 posted on 06/28/2013 9:10:01 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; BillyBoy; Perdogg
They also pointed out how if Dems want the house to pass immigration they best tell McCain and Grahmnesty to shut up because they make many in the house GOP want to do the opposite to spite them. Insightful for sure.

Excellent info SOL!

If McC and Goober are really that unpopular among the total House GOP membership, maybe we should call their offices telling them to keep it up:)

He blowed up real good!

There is always the Law of Unintended Consequences though. If the media thinks that voters are backing them, they could make such a big deal of it that cowardly House members might take them seriously.

22 posted on 06/28/2013 9:57:32 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; BillyBoy; Perdogg; Liz; ...
RE: “If McC and Goober are really that unpopular among the total House GOP membership, maybe we should call their offices telling them to keep it up:) “

Exactly

However to try to launch a massive call in with an idea like that without them catching on would be tricky.

I will have to think about that a bit but I have an idea on this for some fun.

Hopefully their(McCain and Grahamesty) huge egos will do our work for us, that they will keep on going on Sundays shows pissing off house members.

It makes sense that to get Obama-amnesty-care Obama had to stay quiet while Rubio convinced us that Obama would hate the bill. Now that it is in the House's hands you can add McCain and Grahmnesty to that list of those Obama needs to shut up, since Bohner said he wont pass it without GOP votes.

One last point : Rubio is extremely likable in his performances. Likable and looking compassionate.
Conclude what you like from that, to many Republicans someone like him will be seen as the GOP Obama, someone who can dupe the critical 53%.

But can Rubio help Dems passing amnesty now after this?

23 posted on 06/28/2013 10:33:30 PM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

That’s what I’m hoping for, no bill at all.

Simply enforce the laws we have on the books now.

Stiffer border protection...
Employer sanctions...
Interior enforcement...


24 posted on 06/29/2013 7:16:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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