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Morse: some recall signatures were forged(Colorado Recall)
kdvr ^ | updated on: 1:01 pm, June 28, 2013 | Eli Stokols

Posted on 06/28/2013 12:25:14 PM PDT by Red Steel

DENVER — The group trying to save state Senate President John Morse from having to face a recall election announced Friday that it believes many of the petitions turned in by recall organizers were forged.

At least 50 people who apparently signed petitions to recall Morse for his support of gun control legislation have now signed affidavits saying that they, in fact, never actually signed a recall petition themselves.

The group “A Whole Lot of People for John Morse” believes that the possible forgeries are more widespread; they say the 50 people who’ve signed their affidavits are just a small sample of the signers.

“These organizers claim to have more than 10,000 signatures, but now it appears they have potentially thousands of forged signatures,” said Christy LeLait, campaign manager for “A Whole Lot of People for John Morse”.

“This is not a grassroots effort. We’re finding that paid signature gatherers got most of these signatures, and we’re seeing that they’ll do anything to get that $3 per petition.”

Organizers said they’ll ask the El Paso County District Attorney to file criminal charges against at least one of the paid signature gatherers.

The announcement in Colorado Springs Friday comes a day after Morse’s legal team made its case before the Secretary of State’s office, which validated the petitions earlier this month, that the signatures aren’t valid because the forms didn’t include language informing signers that a recall election would also force voters in Senate District 11 to pick Morse’s successor.

A spokesperson for the group trying to recall Morse, the Basic Freedoms Defense Fund, told FOX31 Denver Thursday that it followed the law throughout the petition process.

Deputy Secretary of State Suzanne Staiert, who presided over Thursday’s hearing, is set to issue her ruling by next Wednesday; the losing side is expected to file an appeal in district court.

If Morse is unable to get the signatures thrown out, he’d become the first state lawmaker in Colorado history to face a recall election.

Sen. Angela Giron, D-Pueblo, could become the second.

On Monday, the Secretary of State’s office validated the signatures turned in to force a recall in her district.

Like Morse, Giron is protesting that the petitions circulated weren’t valid.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
At least 50 people who apparently signed petitions to recall Morse for his support of gun control legislation have now signed affidavits saying that they, in fact, never actually signed a recall petition themselves.

Some Morse? Only 50? LoL. You got about 3000 more to go. And more likely your dishonest operatives saying they didn't sign the recall. Dem lying is resume enhancer.

“This is not a grassroots effort. We’re finding that paid signature gatherers got most of these signatures, and we’re seeing that they’ll do anything to get that $3 per petition.”

Laughable hypocrisy coming from you. You get your Bloomberg and Chi-town money yet Morse?

1 posted on 06/28/2013 12:25:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
At least 50 people who apparently signed petitions to recall Morse for his support of gun control legislation have now signed affidavits saying that they, in fact, never actually signed a recall petition themselves.

Set up.

2 posted on 06/28/2013 12:27:05 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
At least 50 people who apparently signed petitions to recall Morse for his support of gun control legislation have now signed affidavits saying that they, in fact, never actually signed a recall petition themselves.

Fakery. Pure fakery, also known as a lie.

3 posted on 06/28/2013 12:40:32 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Set up.

Yep. File away for future reference.

It wouldn't hurt in the future to get them signed where you have a camera catch them. Later, perjury charges could be fun...and take out the operatives.

4 posted on 06/28/2013 1:00:16 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Red Steel

I’ll join the setup bandwagon. It’s pretty obvious.


5 posted on 06/28/2013 1:05:25 PM PDT by bubbacluck (You don't drive out the darkness; you turn on the light.)
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To: Red Steel

If Morse was a decent man, he would leave.


6 posted on 06/28/2013 1:09:02 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Red Steel

That is a standard democrat tactic:

1. - Get your name on the opposition’s petitions.

2. - Disguise your handwritting

3. - Enter false information

4. - Deny that you signed the petition

5. - Challenge the validity of the signature as a way of discrediting the entire petition


7 posted on 06/28/2013 1:12:10 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Rubio's New Book: From Nobody To Senator, To Conservative savior, Then Back To Nobody")
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To: Red Steel
At least 50 people who apparently signed petitions to recall Morse for his support of gun control legislation have now signed affidavits saying that they, in fact, never actually signed a recall petition themselves.

They were probably paid by those outsiders who were calling the petition-signers to recant. (How did they get the phone numbers?)

8 posted on 06/28/2013 1:15:19 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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They were probably paid by those outsiders who were calling the petition-signers to recant. (How did they get the phone numbers?)

NSA or IRS?

9 posted on 06/28/2013 1:20:05 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Red Steel

Laughable hypocrisy, and probably untrue from what I’ve read about the grass-rootedness of the recall effort, namely that it was essentially completely amateurs.

But the left comes out swinging and clawing, something the right seems unable to do.


10 posted on 06/28/2013 1:22:37 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Standing Wolf; E. Pluribus Unum
Fakery. Pure fakery, also known as a lie

From observing the Left so many times, I conclude clearly and only that this is pure psychological projection. Because, this is exactly what they would do. The commies and fascists of long ago realized that upon perceiving that when they are about to get caught at a crime, immediately accuse their rivals of the crime. It is a derivative of the everybody-does-it defense.(spit)

11 posted on 06/28/2013 1:32:17 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: VRW Conspirator
From observing the Left so many times, I conclude clearly and only that this is pure psychological projection. Because, this is exactly what they would do.
I concur, VRW Conspirator.

I live near Colorado Springs, and can tell you for a fact Morse is desperate and beyond desperate not to be held accountable for his anti-Second Amendment bigotry. The only thing leftist extremists hate more than those who believe we commoners have a right to defend our lives and property is being held accountable for their crimes.

12 posted on 06/28/2013 1:43:04 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Red Steel
We’re finding that paid signature gatherers got most of these signatures, and we’re seeing that they’ll do anything to get that $3 per petition.”There were no paid gatherers. This is a pure grass roots effort.
13 posted on 06/28/2013 2:30:47 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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Oops. Forgot the turn off italics thingy.
14 posted on 06/28/2013 2:32:11 PM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: Red Steel

Just a few minutes ago, some snake-lady rang my doorbell and was questioning my wife if I signed a recall petition to recall Giron. My wife thought it was the census hole at first, so I wasn’t going to deal with that right now. She told my wife she would be back on Saturday.

I don’t like being harassed by commie dirtbags, especially at my home. How about I take suggestions on how best to humiliate this idiot tommorrow, I’ll post the result on this thread.


15 posted on 06/28/2013 3:57:25 PM PDT by Hell to pay
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To: Hell to pay

You could video tape the visit. You may get something that exposes them.


16 posted on 06/28/2013 4:04:24 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Hell to pay

Answer the door cradling a shotgun and holding a shell. When she asks if you signed the petition rant about that dictator wannabe gun grabbing SOB. Then invite her in for a glass of lemonade.


17 posted on 06/28/2013 4:59:27 PM PDT by Betty Jane
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It should be pretty easy to compare the signatures with the signed affidavits. Also, if they get the collection person (I assume they have to sign each petition), they can show that collection person pictures and ask if these people signed or not.

On the other hand, I don’t think you should ever hire petition gatherers. That is what sunk Gingrich in Virginia in 2011 — it is just too easy for crooks to sign up and forge signatures for money.

Use people who really care, and make sure they understand that every signature will be scrutinized.


18 posted on 06/28/2013 9:49:21 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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That's very noble, but Lefties are playing by Alinsky's rules, and you are saying that we should impose Rule #4 on ourselves, "make the enemy live up to his own book of rules."

There is a time constraint on getting those signatures. If it doesn't look like you can get them with the volunteers you have, do you give up because hired signature gatherers are gauche?

19 posted on 06/29/2013 8:00:35 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No because hired signature gatherers cheat, and then you get your signatures thrown out.

The goal is to get valid signatures.


20 posted on 06/29/2013 11:12:50 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
They cheat if you let them and don't supervise what they are doing.

Is that what you do when you supervise people? Let them run wild?

If the cheating was that bad, they'd have more than 50 fraudulent signatures. The "fraudulent" signatures they do have are Democrat operatives who signed the petition specifically to claim that they didn't.

You really are Saul Alinsky in drag.

21 posted on 06/29/2013 11:55:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

More than a thousand in Gingrich’s case. My point stands regardless of your childish and infantile response — the use of paid collectors has caused difficulty, and you are better off using people who actually support your cause, than hired mercenaries.

If you had the ability to supervise them, you’d have a person to actually collect the signatures.

Have you ever actually done a signature drive? It would explain your seeming ignorance.


22 posted on 06/29/2013 11:58:10 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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You'd still have Democrat operatives signing and claiming they didn't.

Why weren't you out there helping them if you know so much?

They could have really used your expertise.

23 posted on 06/29/2013 12:03:07 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes you would. If that is what happened. Which could have, but there is no evidence of that, just speculation.

We also don’t know for certain there were people being paid, but the article claims people were paid, and that the signatures on the pages turned in by people who were paid were forged.

If the signature was forged, then it wasn’t a democratic operative signing and saying they didn’t. If you had volunteers collecting signatures, they would identify the democratic operatives and testify that they saw them sign the forms (in a typical Virginia collection, every signature must be witnessed, and the person collecting the signature then signs each page with a notary, swearing that they observed each signature).

It would make it much more difficult for a democratic operative to sign a form and then claim they did not.

Of course, if you keep collecting signatures until you run out of time, then it makes no difference how many democratic operatives sign your forms and then claim they didn’t, since they will just be additional signatures above what you needed.

As I do not live in the state, it coule well be illegal for me to go to the state and collect signatures (in Virginia, all people collecting signatures must be eligible voters, although I do not know if other states have that same rule).

So far as I can tell, even if the 50 signatures were thrown out (and they could be on sworn affidavits, it has to be a pretty committed operative willing to go to prison for a year and pay a huge fine just to invalidate ONE signature), there still are more than enough signatures for the recall.


24 posted on 06/29/2013 12:14:48 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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...there still are more than enough signatures for the recall.

And there probably wouldn't have been without paid solicitors.

25 posted on 06/29/2013 12:21:01 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have known that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional news?)
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