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Flood evacuees furious as RCMP enter locked homes to confiscate firearms.
Radio Canada International ^ | Friday 28 June, 2013 | Marc Montgomery

Posted on 06/28/2013 7:01:25 PM PDT by Candor7

High River ( Alberta, Canada) residents mill about an RCMP roadblock where much angry shouting was heard as police refused entry into the town. Residents were astounded to learn the police had broken into homes to confiscate firear

Residents of the previously flooded town of High River, are angry at delays in being allowed back in to the town.

The 13-thousand citizens were ordered out and the town completely evacuated during the flood, but as waters have receded, residents are eager to return home to assess the damage.

The RCMP has been refusing to let people back in as the evacuation stretched into its eighth day, causing a loud confrontation between about 30 officers and 50 residents at one of the roadblocks

When police laid a spike belt across the road, the crowd became even angrier.

“What’s next? Tear gas?” one resident shouted.

“It’s just like Nazi Germany, just taking orders,” shouted another.

RCMP youtube video shows police entering homes ostensibly looking for abandoned pets. Not shown is how they got in to the locked homes. Then they were further angered when they learned that members of Canada’s national police force, the RCMP, had been entering locked homes and confiscating firearms.

Sgt Brian Topham of the RCMP confirmed police had relied on forced entry to get into houses because of “urgent need”

On Thursday he told reporters that police had confiscated a “substantial “ number of firearms from residents homes.

“I find that absolutely incredible that they have the right to go into a person’s belongings out of their home,” said resident Brenda Lackey, after learning Mounties have been taking residents’ guns from their homes.

Sgt Topham added, ““We just want to make sure that all of those things are in a spot that we control, simply because of what they are,”

He said the guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership,

Civil liberties and firearms experts say that flood or no flood, emergency or not, police do not have the right to break into homes and confiscate property.

“This is without precedent, this is unreasonable search and seizure,” said Ed Burlew, lawyer and firearms specialist in Ontario. “The entry was illegal, it’s against the charter, it was unreasonable search and seizure. There’s no judge that would uphold the evidence obtained through an illegal entry into a person’s home.”

Commenting on the police actions, Alberta Premier Allison Redford said on Thursday, “These are exceptional circumstances, in an emergency situation we have to have our police ensuring that there is law and order,”

Andres McGrath, spokesman for the Ministry of Public Safety in the province said, “We have been advised that during the course of searching for individuals unable to make their way to safety, the RCMP discovered firearms that were insecurely stored. Those firearms will be held safely by the RCMP and will be returned to their owners as soon as possible.

There is no special provision in the Criminal Code that allows the police to enter the homes of gun owners during a time of an emergency,” said Solomon Friedman, lawyer and firearms specialist in Ottawa. “The firearms act is often used by police as a pretext to gain access to private residences that they would not be able to gain access to, the ironic thing here is that if these people were convicted paedophiles the police would not be allowed to enter their homes without warrant, it’s kind of sad that gun owners have to fight for the same rights as any convicted criminals.”

Friday, the Prime Minister’s Office waded into the controversy. PMO spokesman “ Carl Vallée said, “We expect that any firearms taken will be returned to their owners as soon as possible. We believe the RCMP should focus on more important tasks such as protecting lives and private property.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: canada; confiscation; firearms; rcmp; tyranny; unwarranted
The RCMP doing the dirty. Reports are that Prime Minister Stephen Harper is furious at the actions of the RCMP in wrongfullyand illegally confiscating firearms without warrants or any legal authority.

New Orleans cops did the same after Hurricane Katrina.

1 posted on 06/28/2013 7:01:25 PM PDT by Candor7
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To: Squawk 8888

Canada Ping?


2 posted on 06/28/2013 7:03:48 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7
We just want to make sure that all of those things are in a spot that we control

The usurper is taking notes.

Why did they leave their guns ehind?

3 posted on 06/28/2013 7:05:20 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Candor7

Man, having your home ransacked by the police. That just sucks. Who can you trust anymore. What a scam. Officer where is my Rollex?

Officer, what rollex, we only took your guns. Non of the 4 rollex watches on my arm will be returned. Oh and your movie collection...


4 posted on 06/28/2013 7:08:25 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Candor7
Gee. RCMP confiscating firearms without a shred of legal authority. How did they know where they were? Could it be that they were registered?!

Enquiring minds want to know.

5 posted on 06/28/2013 7:08:33 PM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Candor7

I am surprised they still own guns in Canada.

Now the criminals know the can loot at will.


6 posted on 06/28/2013 7:10:30 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Candor7

Yep, shades of Katrina.


7 posted on 06/28/2013 7:13:36 PM PDT by doc1019 (There is absolutely no difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.)
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To: Candor7

The police are the enemy of freedom.


8 posted on 06/28/2013 7:14:36 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: aomagrat

many are. sad thing is it makes people not trust the good ones, out of their own self-safety.


9 posted on 06/28/2013 7:18:38 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: RginTN

As an ex-canuck, the province of AB is as close as you can get to being Texas. Not only is it conservative and choc full of oil, but the home of separatist movement in canada. However, the national police called The RCMP or Mounties’ never liked the idea of firearms being freely owned by citizens.


10 posted on 06/28/2013 7:21:34 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Candor7

So what did they do when faced with a serious gun safe? I want to know the details on this. Serious torch / cutting wheel action, permanently damaging the citizens’ secure storage?

The whole thing appears despicable. So something Obama would likely try, if he thought he could get away with it.


11 posted on 06/28/2013 7:23:12 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Candor7

Last time I checked if you were a firearms owner in Canada they do not require a warrant to search your premises .

Sections 102-105 of the Firearms Act


12 posted on 06/28/2013 7:27:02 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Happily in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians.)
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To: Candor7

“Commenting on the police actions, Alberta Premier Allison Redford said on Thursday, “These are exceptional circumstances, in an emergency situation we have to have our police ensuring that there is law and order,”

Well Hell, they just went against the law, and as far as order, breaking into homes isn’t order.

Massive Fail.


13 posted on 06/28/2013 7:27:03 PM PDT by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: American in Israel

>>> having your home ransacked by the police

Firearms may not be the only thing(s) they are looking for.

Don’t know how normal citizens are going to be able to evacuate lugging gun safe around .......


14 posted on 06/28/2013 7:34:11 PM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Candor7

Illegally entering homes? Didn’t US law enforcement do this in Boston recently?


15 posted on 06/28/2013 7:39:38 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: Candor7
“These are exceptional circumstances, in an emergency situation we have to have our police ensuring that there is law and order,”

Like prevention of theft?

No, I guess not.

16 posted on 06/28/2013 7:40:57 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins)
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To: Candor7

I believe the Alberta AG has control over what the RCMP does or does not do in Alberta so the pressure belongs there even more than on Harper.

Basically the provinces contract with the RCMP to do their rural policing - not all, but most do.


17 posted on 06/28/2013 7:46:29 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Candor7
A. Why would anyone evacuate w/o arms?

B. Govt just proving that someone could break in and steal arms.

18 posted on 06/28/2013 7:47:51 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Candor7

Those rascally guns will form a gang all of their selves!


19 posted on 06/28/2013 7:48:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: davetex

“police ensuring that there is law and order;” You’ve said it, davetex.< Hitler and his type love natural disasters, where the police can search, just because it’s a “disaster.”


20 posted on 06/28/2013 7:48:57 PM PDT by Ace's Dad (Proud father of "Ace,' now an airline captain)
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To: FreedomPoster
Everyone needs something like this when bugging out.


21 posted on 06/28/2013 7:52:26 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Candor7

Always leave a box of donuts on the counter when abandoning your house.


22 posted on 06/28/2013 7:52:50 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Ace's Dad

More like enforcing Fascism.


23 posted on 06/28/2013 7:53:15 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

The RMCP would be digging 4shot out of their Backside!


24 posted on 06/28/2013 8:04:43 PM PDT by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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To: American in Israel

I saw the article in the Calgary newspaper online.

The Mounties claim they only took the firearms that were in plain sight.

Yeah, sure. Uh-huh.


25 posted on 06/28/2013 8:07:35 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a chain of convenience stores.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It’s the 90% of cops that are thugs that make the others look bad. Of course, their covering for the thugs doesn’t help.


26 posted on 06/28/2013 8:11:53 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: expat1000
I'm going this way:

"Harry Randall Truman (October 30, 1896 – May 18, 1980) was a resident of the U.S. state of Washington who lived on Mount St. Helens and came to brief fame in the months preceding the 1980 eruption after stubbornly refusing to leave his home. "

27 posted on 06/28/2013 8:19:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Para-Ord.45
Last time I checked if you were a firearms owner in Canada they do not require a warrant to search your premises . Sections 102-105 of the Firearms Act

So I guess this Lawyer & firearms specialist doesn't know the law?

“This is without precedent, this is unreasonable search and seizure,” said Ed Burlew, lawyer and firearms specialist in Ontario. “The entry was illegal, it’s against the charter, it was unreasonable search and seizure. There’s no judge that would uphold the evidence obtained through an illegal entry into a person’s home.”

28 posted on 06/28/2013 8:35:03 PM PDT by ASouthernGrl (BHO sucks - literally or metaphorically, you decide.)
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To: Candor7
He said the guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership,

In other words, never.

29 posted on 06/28/2013 8:37:33 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: max americana

One difference: try this in Texas, and there WILL be violence. OK, one other difference: the local PDs would side with the citizens even though certain police chiefs (I’m thinking Plano, TX) might try to order otherwise.


30 posted on 06/28/2013 8:40:21 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: DakotaGator

I hope they didn’t ride their horses through the residents’ living rooms! /s;)


31 posted on 06/28/2013 8:49:36 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Candor7; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
Thanks Candor7.

To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

32 posted on 06/28/2013 9:05:58 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Candor7
New Orleans cops did the same after Hurricane Katrina.

The cops will never do it again. It's against state law now.

33 posted on 06/28/2013 9:28:25 PM PDT by BBell (And Now for Something Completely Different)
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To: Paladin2

Did you mean you are in Alberta now?


34 posted on 06/28/2013 9:31:53 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Candor7

President You Didn’t Build That asks one of his top assistants to have someone take notes.


35 posted on 06/28/2013 9:31:53 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: davetex

That’s Premier Allison Redford of the “Progressive Conservative Party” no kidding.....


36 posted on 06/28/2013 9:37:54 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE AT THE TOP OF MY LIST)
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To: ASouthernGrl; Para-Ord.45

The first sections (102-3) refer to gun dealers.

Then 104 says:
104. (1) An inspector may not enter a dwelling-house under section 102 except
(a) on reasonable notice to the owner or occupant, except where a business is being carried on in the dwelling-house; and
(b) with the consent of the occupant or under a warrant.

It goes on to specify exactly where an inspection may be made - what rooms and such.

105 is to do with *inspecting* a firearm to check serial numbers, whether it is a “restricted weapon” (not only handguns but certain long guns like my old M14 which I had to leave behind years ago. {sigh})

NOTE: the entire section is to do with inspection - nothing at all about seizure or confiscation.

NOTE ALSO: (3) In carrying out an inspection of a place under subsection (1), an inspector may not use force.


37 posted on 06/28/2013 9:42:45 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: BBell

You forgot the sarcasm tag. They ignored a sworn oath to the US Constitution before. They will ignore the state constitution in the future, if it suits them.


38 posted on 06/28/2013 9:46:41 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Candor7

Never let a crisis go to waste, thier testing


39 posted on 06/29/2013 2:45:19 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (Yesterdays conspiracies are todays truths)
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To: Candor7

“Prime Minister Stephen Harper is furious at the actions of the RCMP”, let’s see what this pol does not what he says. I hope he is not just another fraud. Actually I think he is all talk!


40 posted on 06/29/2013 4:07:27 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Candor7

One could easily believe the RCMP were selecting homes based on the national gun registration list.


41 posted on 06/29/2013 5:04:00 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Paladin2
now that's hard truck for the 21st century!

and from days gone by...









42 posted on 06/29/2013 6:16:55 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Para-Ord.45

That’s right. And few Canadians realize it.When you have weapons in your home, regsitered , both restricted and non restricted, you have given the police the right to enter anytime without warrant.

This is a horrible state of affairs and incidents like this one raise the awareness of Canadians of how vulnerable “gun owners” are, and they should not be.


43 posted on 06/29/2013 7:18:56 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: expat1000

Mehh~ “ We tried to notify them, couldn`t find them ,so we assumed consent.After all they have nothing to hide now do theyt” is what I expect to hear :

While Canadians have a right to protection only against ‘unreasonable’ intrusions upon their privacy, the provisions of Bill C-68 go beyond the bounds of reasonableness. The search and seizure powers granted by C-68 are unconstitutionally broad. They authorize police to enter into private homes “at any reasonable time” and to search “any place where the inspector believes . . . there is a gun collection or a record [of a gun collection]” and “may open any container . . . examine any other thing that the inspector finds and take samples of it”; and “require any person to produce for examination or copying any records books of account or other documents.” Such sweeping search powers violate the prohibition against police “fishing expeditions” imposed by the courts’ interpretation of the section

http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/publications/violatescharterofrightsandfreedom.htm

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44 posted on 06/29/2013 10:37:21 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45 (Happily in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own guardians.)
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