Posted on 06/29/2013 12:48:40 PM PDT by Finny
In America today, liberalism in politics is like a coin with different images on either side: “Democrat” on one, and “Republican” on the other. It’s the coin of government tyranny to force people, for their own or the “public” good, into supporting things they despise.
Liberalism is the presumption of government tyranny to regulate morality, finances, and personal responsibility “for the greater good.” In recent presidential candidates at least, Republicans and Democrats both want nationalized health care; “right” to abortion; gun control; forcing all to accommodate open homosexuality; “compassionate” immigration policies to gain liberal votes; welfare support of sloth, promiscuity, and envy; and environmental regulation that chains and maims American productivity and self-sufficiency – the EPA, to “save the planet,” increasingly stymies American energy and food production, making it weak and dependent on other nations. Republicans and Democrats are fundamentally on board together with all of liberalism’s pretenses, though they call them different things and pretend to have smarter strategies for enforcing them.
We got here by doggedly voting liberal Republican only because the “liberal” Democrat was worse. Voting out of fear year after year got us to where in presidential elections, McCain got the nomination in 2008 and a worse option, “RomneyCare” Mitt, got it in 2012. And they both lost – because they were liberals, the same coin as the Democrats.
The Democrat party is NOT the enemy. Liberalism is the enemy.
Most legitimate American voters lean right, confirmed by the Left’s need for systemic, integrated vote fraud, vote harvesting, vote manipulation, and judicial fiat. Apparently, most real American voters figure the only way to reduce liberalism is to vote such that it loses. That's exactly what they did in 2008 and 2012 when they declined McCain and Romney.
It is TIME NOW to consider for the upcoming presidential election the good risk of going Third Party in the general so legitimate voters have an ALTERNATIVE to liberalism. Chances of winning are slim, and chances of winning with a majority are slimmer. But look at the sole alternative: either liberal, the Republican or the Democrat, wins with the power of a majority.
A strong third-party candidate could split that vote, forcing a plurality win on the victor. Minority/plurality status weakens and puts on defense whichever president has it. It sure as hell weakened Clinton, who elected with 57% of the vote "against" him the first time and 51% "against" him the second, was slammed first with the Republican Revolution and then impeached, though not convicted.
To defeat liberalism, Americans who love their freedom and right to self-responsibility must acknowledge that risk is the price of opportunity. Louder clamor for voter ID is good, necessary, and happening. Regardless, there is zero risk in voting for liberal Republicanism. The impact is certain: your vote endorses liberalism. Zero risk, zero opportunity.
The best outcome is for your third-party limited government anti-liberal candidate to win a majority. That’s unlikely – however, America wins even if your serious alternative presidential candidate loses but splits the vote and weakens the liberal victor. If Republicans field a Business-as-Usual candidate ala Carl Rove establishment presumptions, opting Third Party in 2016 is the only vote that makes sense.
See my first comment. Thanks.
Progressivism is the enemy. Liberalism is just a nice-sounding euphemism. By allowing the progs to define themselves as liberals allows them to act “nice” by asking us if we want handicapped people to starve.
Progressivism is about “progressing” to the next level of humanity through Marxism. It is humanity without faith in the true God pursuing some ideal that cannot exist without God, so they demand that people deify the state and the 20th century has already shown us that catastrophe ensues when people elevate the state to that level.
may be your second comment Finny.
you might want to reconsider something Finny ... both parties consider Conservatives as being the enemy.
The sides of the coin are Marxist and democrat with democrats including “moderate” republicans.
Amen creek ... Thank You!
Fine. Call it progressivism, call it liberalism, call it whatever you want. The point is that the enemy is NOT the Democrat party. We have always voted as if it was, and voting that way is what got us here. Time to stop.
Well, I’m glad you worked so hard and posted this. I wish, however, we would move away from calling the Left “liberals.” Liberal means lover of liberty, which they are not. We need to call them what they are: socialists. Just like we need to call public schools what they are: government schools.
bad mistake in your post Finny. Am only telling you the truth.
"Conservatives" have but one small element of all the votes we need in America to save it from government tyranny. A lot of folks who reject and hate progressivism/marxism/liberalism or whatever you want to call it, are NOT "conservatives" and don't think of themselves as such. Trying to use SEMANTICS here to exclude every American on our side who doesn't claim the mantle "conservative," is ... well, Stupid Party thinking.
With respect.
Glenn Beck started out with the belief that the democrats could be redeemed but eventually reached the conclusion that they had been entirely compromised by hardline marxists.
“Moderate” republicans are like kapos thinking they can win the favor of the SS guards but in the end, the SS will exterminate the “moderates” as well.
not exactly Finny ... Conservatives know the definition of conservatism. The majority of this nation is made up of Conservatives practicing conservatism.
——The Democrat party is NOT the enemy. Liberalism is the enemy.-——
Pretty hard to tell the difference....the democrat party embraces liberalism..as long as they do in defference to american values...they are the enemy. ...
I think what you mean to say is that 'liberalism is the enemy, whether embodied by democrats or republicans'.
Finny ... don't want to be angry with you, so I'll leave.
Nice post Finny but I think they are playing with the machines.
I credit Milton Friedman for so much of this stuff. I sure miss him and we sure need more like him.
>>Fine. Call it progressivism, call it liberalism, call it whatever you want. The point is that the enemy is NOT the Democrat party. We have always voted as if it was, and voting that way is what got us here. Time to stop.
What is your plan for bringing non-Progressive Democrats to join us? Most FR Third Party plans just include separating the “Conservatives” from the GOP Progressives and that is a recipe for disaster. A third party has to include a sizable contingent from the Democrat voting bloc.
Placemark.
I have to leave for a while.
Thanks so much, dearest Finny. I’ll be back!!!
What do "conservatives" believe? And where does the rubber meet the road where a "conservative" will refuse to vote for a limited government candidate?
You honestly don't know liberal Democrats who are pro-gun, anti-abortion, and anti-national health care? You honestly don't know any liberal Democrats who think the whole global warming hoax stinks? You don't read the thousands upon thousands of posts on opinion forums of readers/MSM consumers who loathe what they call "liberalism" in the form of all those things I mention in my post, but who nonetheless are decidedly NOT self-identified "conservatives"? HELLO? They are legion, They are NOT conservatives, and they ARE open to an alternative to the liberal/progressive/Marxist what-have-you approach.
No wonder the GOP is so screwed up.
Third Parties are for losers..
That is EXACTLY what I mean to say because it is TRUE.
Actually it’s fascism that is the enemy.
Really enjoyed this post. I am one of those that doesn’t buy into “America leans Right”. It doesn’t anymore. It is lurching Left. Issue after issue idiot American favor the Libtard approach.
But I do agree with you I hope Palin and Levin see it.
There are not two major parties. There is one Central Party. It has wings, of course.
Whichever candidate from the Central Party wins, the government grows, freedom shrinks, Constitutional Rights are destroyed.
After The Bush Presidencies...
Do you have more freedom or less?
More liberty or less?
Are you more secure in your property or less?
More secure in your Constitutional Rights or less?
Is government larger and more intrusive, or smaller and less intrusive?
RINOs are Dead to me!
Rubio, Ryan, Bush, and every other Central Party Big Government, anti-liberty, business-as-usual candidate - all dead to me. Weasels all.
Gone Galt. Gone international, Gone private. Gone.
Correct!
There is no such Democrat Party, it's the "democRATic" party.
The Democrat Party died long ago...somewhere around FDR, when the Socialists took it over. Those were the good old days, back when the democRATs were the KKK.
Nooooo....they're not the enemy.
We fought a war with them....they lost.
“Third Parties are for losers..”
So are both Central Parties.
Pretty hard to tell the difference. Liberalism is the enemy, and its fundamental vision (health care, gay rights, global warming, gun control, immigration) is shared by both Republicans and Democrats in presidential candidates.
The truth hurts.
Republicans don't like conservatives anymore than democrats really like blacks.
They try to keep us on the republican plantation just like democrats keep the blacks on the democrat plantaion.
Two big differences are:
Unlike republicans, who pretend they don't know any conservatives once the elections are over, democrats pretend to like blacks and will throw them a bone with some meat on it now and then.
Democrats never side with republicans on anything, especially if it is something blacks do not like. Republicans are always more that happy to side with democrats against conservatives.
...said the Whigs to the Republicans.
From the Bob Dole election cycle on, I have not and will not vote for any candidate who does not espouse my beliefs. Not even for dogcatcher.
If your conservative candidate could win the Republican nomination and possibly the general election, he or she will find a lot of support.
But if it's just some placeholder -- Alan Keyes, Virgil Goode, Chuck Baldwin, Michael Peroutka, Michael Badnarik, Howard Phillips, Harry Browne, Bob Barr -- nobody's going to bother.
Thank You for those words of truth. Made my heart leap.
Apparently, you think this is a game or some sort of High School popularity contest.
It is not.
I think they are ignoring people who act like 2 year old brats whenever things don’t go there way.. Like you
good post. the GOP-e will next begin in ernest to destroy “established” conservative opposition in their own party at the “red state” and local levels. there really is no choice. we must begin to transfer our existing conservative local power to a true conservative party.
I have no idea what your post has to do with my post...
My point which have seemed to have missed...is the democratic party is the enemy of conservatives because they embrace liberalism with abandonment...
Nowhere in my original post did I mention republicans...
At least part of the republican party (TP) do not embrace liberalism...whereas the dem party pretty much is the embodiment of liberalism...
Papa, I wish that language wasn't dynamic, and I wish that real roses didn't fade and the petals drop. But reality is reality. "Liberal" has taken on a new meaning as has the word "gay" and as has the word "gender." None of those three mean today what they meant originally. Oh well. Tell Mark Levin, or Rush, or Thomas Sowell to stop calling the left "liberals." Those guys know what the original meaning of "liberal" is, but they also recognize the dif between wishes and reality, that language is dynamic and even when they hate the redefinitions of words, it is a living force of nature entirely distinct from anyone's wishes.
Actually they are not all the same concept, fascism is different from communism, and so on. We need to call what is going on here what it is, not several different things, but what it actually happens to be. And what we have here is fascism.
I think now is as good as it’s ever going to get as far as timing. Hillary is inevitable. Might as well get a real third party going. Only problem is, will it be a libertarian third party or a Christian conservative third party?
At least part of the republican party (TP) do not embrace liberalism...whereas the dem party pretty much is the embodiment of liberalism...
Exactly true. Presidential candidates is where the Third Party can really do some good, and hope that by being left with only minority support, moderate and liberal candidates in the GOP will grow weaker, and limited government conservatism grow stronger. I vote R downticket (but am being more picky than I used to be).
I mean, a big part of this risk is that even if the Third Party candidate did win, if he/she won with a plurality, he/she would face the same difficulties of having been voted "against" by most Americans. But really -- risk is the price you pay for opportunity. There is ZERO, big fat donut hole, risk or opportunity in electing a liberal/progressive/Marxist/facist/insert-your-pet-word-here Republican president.
Or I have a better idea ... stop letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.
It takes a long time.
This is what has happened here in Canada over the last 27 years.
First came the Reform Party. http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/reform-party-of-canada
Then we talked a lot about “Uniting the right”, and they formed the Canadian Alliance.
http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/canadian-alliance
Which became the Conservative Party headed by Stephen Harper.
http://www.conservative.ca/
It is nowhere near as conservative as I would prefer, but it’s way ahead of whatever is in second place.
So is the GOP, apparently.
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