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The Guardian Revealed A Major NSA 'Scoop' Then Deleted It From Their Website
Business Insider ^ | Jun. 29, 2013, 8:51 PM | Paul Szoldra

Posted on 06/29/2013 8:47:35 PM PDT by Perdogg

The Guardian released another shocking NSA scoop on Saturday, revealing collusion and mass harvesting of personal communications among the United States and at least six European Union countries — only to delete it from their website hours after publication.

The article, titled "Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America," was written by Jamie Doward, who reported information from Wayne Madsen, a former Navy Lt. and NSA employee for 12 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: articlepulled; articlescrubbed; edwardsnowden; eu; europeanunion; eussr; gaydian; guardian; madsen; nsa; nsaarticlepulled; nsaarticlescrubbed; nsaleaks; snowden; waynemadsen
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1 posted on 06/29/2013 8:47:35 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

BTTT


2 posted on 06/29/2013 8:48:22 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Jet Jaguar

The truth hurts ,
but the hidden truth hurts longer, and harder,
and is a violation of the Constitution !


3 posted on 06/29/2013 8:54:01 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Perdogg

Wayne Madsen. That name seems to ring a whole belfry.

But haveto check :).

Ir’s possible the Guardian did right in taking it off.


4 posted on 06/29/2013 9:01:41 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Jet Jaguar
Google Cached the page before it was removed. Here is the link to the GoogleCache.

Looks like it needs to be fact checked.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

5 posted on 06/29/2013 9:04:46 PM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

So does the “truth” include the USS Cole actually being attacked by an Israeli submarine, not Al Queda terrorists?

Didn’t read the article, did you?


6 posted on 06/29/2013 9:08:08 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Perdogg; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; Travis McGee; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don’t add you to the list...

7 posted on 06/29/2013 9:08:23 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: Varmint Al

Taken down


8 posted on 06/29/2013 9:08:52 PM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Perdogg

LOL

First comment:

Jessie Canty on Jun 29, 10:26 PM said:
“I hope this doesn’t hurt their heretofore impeccable reputation.”


9 posted on 06/29/2013 9:12:42 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Varmint Al; Perdogg

Ping and thanks Al.


10 posted on 06/29/2013 9:15:04 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: null and void

Rofl. But we watch right back!

Here’s Wayne Madsen, in his own words (but he forgot the 12 years working for the NSA ;)

www.waynemadsenreport.com/categories/20070329

Wayne Madsen Biography:

Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He has written for The Village Voice, The Progressive, Counterpunch, Online Journal, CorpWatch, Multinational Monitor, News Insider, In These Times, and The American Conservative. His columns have appeared in The Miami Herald, Houston Chronicle, Philadelphia Inquirer, Columbus Dispatch, Sacramento Bee, and Atlanta Journal-Constitution, among others.

Madsen is the author of The Handbook of Personal Data Protection (London: Macmillan, 1992), an acclaimed reference book on international data protection law; Genocide and Covert Operations in Africa 1993-1999 (Edwin Mellen Press, 1999); co-author of America’s Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II (Dandelion, 2003); author of Jaded Tasks: Big Oil, Black Ops & Brass Plates; Overthrow a Fascist Regime on $15 a Day; and The Manufacturing of a President: the CIA’s Insertion of Barack H. Obama, Jr. into the White House.

Madsen has been a regular contributor on RT and PressTV. He has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity on their television shows. He has been invited to testify as a witness before the US House of Representatives, the UN Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and an terrorism investigation panel of the French government.

Madsen has some twenty years experience in security issues. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security programs for the U.S. Navy. He subsequently worked for the National Security Agency, the Naval Data Automation Command, Department of State, RCA Corporation, and Computer Sciences Corporation. Madsen was a Senior Fellow for the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a privacy public advocacy organization.

Madsen is a member of the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) and the National Press Club.


PressTV, of course, is the acclaimed Iranian propaganda arm. What we don’t shake out here at FR isn’t worth shaking out.


12 posted on 06/29/2013 9:16:48 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: B4Ranch

Nope. I just got it.


13 posted on 06/29/2013 9:20:36 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: Jet Jaguar
“I can’t understand how Angela Merkel can keep a straight face, demanding assurances from [Barack] Obama and the UK while Germany has entered into those exact relationships,” Madsen said.

Methinks the artful lie has become endemic to higher office.

14 posted on 06/29/2013 9:26:35 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

This is really pedestrian more than awesome. The Progressive and PressTV?

The Guardian needs better source control.


15 posted on 06/29/2013 9:45:07 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

...and the truth that the GOP have actively encouraged, let alone passed, the ‘law’ to strip the Citizens of their 4th, 9th, 10th Rights ...will go ‘unnoticed’

To some, the (R) is ALL that matters.


16 posted on 06/29/2013 9:46:09 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: Varmint Al

bookmark


17 posted on 06/29/2013 9:48:09 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: i_robot73

R is for Regret.


18 posted on 06/29/2013 9:49:02 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: 867V309

Sorry, no. Only for those that actually voted for the fraud.

I refused to hold my nose for the DEM-lite/GOPe choice.


19 posted on 06/29/2013 9:57:17 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: Perdogg
You got to be kidding me. Madsen is a truther. Might as well publish Alex Jones as a source. What, no reptilians with the NSA?

'Wayne Madsen: I don’t believe the attacks were planned by the FBI. I believe they were an operation carried out by Mossad, Saudi intelligence, with which Mossad has had and continues to have a close relationship since the days of the Safari Club of western and Middle East intelligence services combining their operations, and elements of the CIA. Cossiga, Gul, parliament members in Germany, Britain, and Japan, the late British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, and others all understood this was an inside job that also involved a handful of people at the top of the Bush administration, including Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, A.B.Krongard of the CIA, and Rudolph Giuliani, as well.

20 posted on 06/29/2013 10:18:52 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Perdogg

Sounds like the story’s author got called to the boss’s office to have a talk with a very shaken boss and a couple of enforcers.


21 posted on 06/29/2013 10:46:22 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


22 posted on 06/29/2013 11:08:48 PM PDT by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Perdogg

They got it into the public square, and we’re all buzzing about it, which might have been the intended excercise.


23 posted on 06/29/2013 11:15:29 PM PDT by bronxville (Margaret Sanger - “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population,)
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To: Hardraade

And RT is Russia Today, an English language news effort from Russia. So also another state propaganda arm.


24 posted on 06/30/2013 2:01:51 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Perdogg

The Memory Hole of 1984 lives.


25 posted on 06/30/2013 3:05:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (If illegal aliens voted (R), then the Dems would create the tightest border security in the world.)
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To: Varmint Al

They removed it from cache. 404


26 posted on 06/30/2013 4:03:20 AM PDT by BushCountry (We Wanted a President That Listens to All Americans - Now We Have One!)
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To: BushCountry

Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America

Germany ‘among countries offering intelligence’ according to new claims by former US defence analyst

Jamie Doward
The Observer, Saturday 29 June 2013 21.02 BST

Wayne Madsen, an NSA worker for 12 years, has revealed that six EU countries, in addition to the UK, colluded in data harvesting.

At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America’s National Security Agency, who said the public should not be “kept in the dark”.

Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US.

Madsen said the countries had “formal second and third party status” under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.

Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships.

In an interview published last night on the PrivacySurgeon.org blog, Madsen, who has been attacked for holding controversial views on espionage issues, said he had decided to speak out after becoming concerned about the “half story” told by EU politicians regarding the extent of the NSA’s activities in Europe.

He said that under the agreements, which were drawn up after the second world war, the “NSA gets the lion’s share” of the sigint “take”. In return, the third parties to the NSA agreements received “highly sanitised intelligence”.

Madsen said he was alarmed at the “sanctimonious outcry” of political leaders who were “feigning shock” about the spying operations while staying silent about their own arrangements with the US, and was particularly concerned that senior German politicians had accused the UK of spying when their country had a similar third-party deal with the NSA.

Although the level of co-operation provided by other European countries to the NSA is not on the same scale as that provided by the UK, the allegations are potentially embarrassing.

“I can’t understand how Angela Merkel can keep a straight face, demanding assurances from [Barack] Obama and the UK while Germany has entered into those exact relationships,” Madsen said.

The Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Ludford, a senior member of the European parliament’s civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee, said Madsen’s allegations confirmed that the entire system for monitoring data interception was a mess, because the EU was unable to intervene in intelligence matters, which remained the exclusive concern of national governments.

“The intelligence agencies are exploiting these contradictions and no one is really holding them to account,” Ludford said. “It’s terribly undermining to liberal democracy.”

Madsen’s disclosures have prompted calls for European governments to come clean on their arrangements with the NSA. “There needs to be transparency as to whether or not it is legal for the US or any other security service to interrogate private material,” said John Cooper QC, a leading international human rights lawyer. “The problem here is that none of these arrangements has been debated in any democratic arena. I agree with William Hague that sometimes things have to be done in secret, but you don’t break the law in secret.”

Madsen said all seven European countries and the US have access to the Tat 14 fibre-optic cable network running between Denmark and Germany, the Netherlands, France, the UK and the US, allowing them to intercept vast amounts of data, including phone calls, emails and records of users’ access to websites.

He said the public needed to be made aware of the full scale of the communication-sharing arrangements between European countries and the US, which predate the internet and became of strategic importance during the cold war.

The covert relationship between the countries was first outlined in a 2001 report by the European parliament, but their explicit connection with the NSA was not publicised until Madsen decided to speak out.

The European parliament’s report followed revelations that the NSA was conducting a global intelligence-gathering operation, known as Echelon, which appears to have established the framework for European member states to collaborate with the US.

“A lot of this information isn’t secret, nor is it new,” Madsen said. “It’s just that governments have chosen to keep the public in the dark about it. The days when they could get away with a conspiracy of silence are over.”

This month another former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden, revealed to the Guardian previously undisclosed US programmes to monitor telephone and internet traffic. The NSA is alleged to have shared some of its data, gathered using a specialist tool called Prism, with Britain’s GCHQ.


27 posted on 06/30/2013 4:55:25 AM PDT by abb
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To: 867V309
>>R is for Regret<<

No, R is for arrivederci...and no, I don't speak Italian. Did stay in a Holiday Inn express last night though.

Anyhow...I've had it with the republican establishment. Here in Texas, the establishment tried to force feed David Dewhurst (lt.gov of Texas) and we gave them the big ol middle fanger.

A lil known tea party feller by the name of Ted Cruz was elected to the Senate to replace RINO and Pub establishment member Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Oh Ted's shakin it up. Definitely need more Ted's in the Senate.

28 posted on 06/30/2013 5:01:58 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

Yep, we need more Tedbell :)


29 posted on 06/30/2013 5:05:47 AM PDT by txhurl (RNC 'voter suppression': attempting to limit each voter to ONE vote!)
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To: Varmint Al

I keep getting 404 error message when I click on your link... Must be gone now.


30 posted on 06/30/2013 5:06:03 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: FreedomPoster

So we have to decide whether we believe the Russia/Iranian propaganda, or whether we believe the US propaganda?

Hard choices these days.


31 posted on 06/30/2013 5:09:18 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: butterdezillion

Oh yeah, no doubt. It’s a sad state of affairs for sure.


32 posted on 06/30/2013 5:26:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Hardraade

Yes, Wayne Madsen would not appear to be the best source.


33 posted on 06/30/2013 6:44:27 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Hardraade
Here’s Wayne Madsen, in his own words (but he forgot the 12 years working for the NSA ;)

Yes, the small details...

34 posted on 06/30/2013 7:04:44 AM PDT by GOPJ (... liberal anger - - the privileged wheeze of entitled brats ... Greenfield)
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To: null and void

The classic big brother poster needs to photoshopped with an old style Obama picture.

Make great stickers to post around.


35 posted on 06/30/2013 7:12:15 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: 867V309

>>Nope. I just got it.<<

????????

404. That’s an error.

The requested URL /search?safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=cache:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/29/european-private-data-america&oq=cache:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/29/european-private-data-america&gs_l=serp.3..0l4.38054.42932.0.43916.7.6.0.0.0.2.664.1333.0j1j1j1j0j1.4.0...0.2...1c.1j2.18.psy-ab.LFVExcqE95c&pbx=1 was not found on this server. That’s all we know.


36 posted on 06/30/2013 7:20:24 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: 867V309

>>Nope. I just got it.<<

????????

404. That’s an error.

The requested URL /search?safe=off&client=safari&rls=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=cache:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/29/european-private-data-america&oq=cache:http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/29/european-private-data-america&gs_l=serp.3..0l4.38054.42932.0.43916.7.6.0.0.0.2.664.1333.0j1j1j1j0j1.4.0...0.2...1c.1j2.18.psy-ab.LFVExcqE95c&pbx=1 was not found on this server. That’s all we know.


37 posted on 06/30/2013 7:20:24 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: tired&retired
Message #27 is the text of the page/cache. It will be difficult for them to remove it from FreeRepublic. I also saved the page on my hard drive.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

38 posted on 06/30/2013 7:30:03 AM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: Perdogg
just got here for this one .... take what I'm about to say with a huge grain of salt .... this looks to be a classic case of misinformation to discredit accurate information. I have not read the article ... being said here the article is gone. I will also say this ... if someone(s) are putting out misinformation to discredit accurate information something is bothering some high up officials in the maximum. This type of stuff is only done when higher ups are fearful of what might be coming down the pike that will not portray them in a favorable light(imho).
39 posted on 06/30/2013 9:36:50 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Varmint Al

Al, if you post it, please ping me. Thanks.


40 posted on 06/30/2013 9:43:48 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Varmint Al

You get a screen capture saved. Google got the word too, and dropped it. Get a 404 error now on your link to their cache.


41 posted on 06/30/2013 10:02:41 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: abb

BTTT!


42 posted on 06/30/2013 10:10:25 AM PDT by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who uses the terms “social justice” and “fair distribution".)
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To: John S Mosby

Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America

Germany 'among countries offering intelligence' according to new claims by former US defence analyst

Wayne Madsen
Wayne Madsen, an NSA worker for 12 years, has revealed that six EU countries, in addition to the UK, colluded in data harvesting.

At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America's National Security Agency, who said the public should not be "kept in the dark".

Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US.

Madsen said the countries had "formal second and third party status" under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.

Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships.

In an interview published last night on the PrivacySurgeon.org blog, Madsen, who has been attacked for holding controversial views on espionage issues, said he had decided to speak out after becoming concerned about the "half story" told by EU politicians regarding the extent of the NSA's activities in Europe.

He said that under the agreements, which were drawn up after the second world war, the "NSA gets the lion's share" of the sigint "take". In return, the third parties to the NSA agreements received "highly sanitised intelligence".

Madsen said he was alarmed at the "sanctimonious outcry" of political leaders who were "feigning shock" about the spying operations while staying silent about their own arrangements with the US, and was particularly concerned that senior German politicians had accused the UK of spying when their country had a similar third-party deal with the NSA.

Although the level of co-operation provided by other European countries to the NSA is not on the same scale as that provided by the UK, the allegations are potentially embarrassing.

"I can't understand how Angela Merkel can keep a straight face, demanding assurances from [Barack] Obama and the UK while Germany has entered into those exact relationships," Madsen said.

The Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Ludford, a senior member of the European parliament's civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee, said Madsen's allegations confirmed that the entire system for monitoring data interception was a mess, because the EU was unable to intervene in intelligence matters, which remained the exclusive concern of national governments.

"The intelligence agencies are exploiting these contradictions and no one is really holding them to account," Ludford said. "It's terribly undermining to liberal democracy."

Madsen's disclosures have prompted calls for European governments to come clean on their arrangements with the NSA. "There needs to be transparency as to whether or not it is legal for the US or any other security service to interrogate private material," said John Cooper QC, a leading international human rights lawyer. "The problem here is that none of these arrangements has been debated in any democratic arena. I agree with William Hague that sometimes things have to be done in secret, but you don't break the law in secret."

Madsen said all seven European countries and the US have access to the Tat 14 fibre-optic cable network running between Denmark and Germany, the Netherlands, France, the UK and the US, allowing them to intercept vast amounts of data, including phone calls, emails and records of users' access to websites.

He said the public needed to be made aware of the full scale of the communication-sharing arrangements between European countries and the US, which predate the internet and became of strategic importance during the cold war.

The covert relationship between the countries was first outlined in a 2001 report by the European parliament, but their explicit connection with the NSA was not publicised until Madsen decided to speak out.

The European parliament's report followed revelations that the NSA was conducting a global intelligence-gathering operation, known as Echelon, which appears to have established the framework for European member states to collaborate with the US.

"A lot of this information isn't secret, nor is it new," Madsen said. "It's just that governments have chosen to keep the public in the dark about it. The days when they could get away with a conspiracy of silence are over."

This month another former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden, revealed to the Guardian previously undisclosed US programmes to monitor telephone and internet traffic. The NSA is alleged to have shared some of its data, gathered using a specialist tool called Prism, with Britain's GCHQ.

--------------END--------------- This is the page I saved to my Hard Drive.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

43 posted on 06/30/2013 11:02:50 AM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: Perdogg; Revolting cat!

Nothing ever disappears from the internet.


44 posted on 06/30/2013 12:17:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Strategerist

[So does the “truth” include the USS Cole actually being attacked by an Israeli submarine, not Al Queda terrorists?]

NIXON: Jeeesus Christ.


45 posted on 06/30/2013 1:43:39 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Perdogg

I would not surprised if a lot of the weird things going on in the stock, bond, commodities markets in U.S. and Europe in the past several years, have to do with “insider” information being given to certain favored people, collected and handed out on command by the NSA.


46 posted on 06/30/2013 1:47:59 PM PDT by boxlunch (Deuteronomy 28,29,30)
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To: Varmint Al

Looks like it was taken down within minutes. Hope someone saved it.


47 posted on 06/30/2013 6:28:57 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: B4Ranch
I didn't say you could download it. I said that, at the time I posted, it hadn't been scrubbed because I got a copy.
48 posted on 06/30/2013 8:41:35 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: Perdogg

Amazing how fast the NSA story has disappeared from the news. They talk about that so-called “traitor,” Snowden, but thats about it. Any coverage of the NSA spying on us has completely disappeared, just like Benghazi, the IRS, etc. No wonder obbammer is never worried about this stuff.


49 posted on 06/30/2013 9:57:11 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Perdogg

In the UK, the government can censor anything by citing “national security”, so I’d bet that is what happened.


50 posted on 07/01/2013 9:19:39 AM PDT by Boogieman
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