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The Guardian Revealed A Major NSA 'Scoop' Then Deleted It From Their Website
Business Insider ^ | Jun. 29, 2013, 8:51 PM | Paul Szoldra

Posted on 06/29/2013 8:47:35 PM PDT by Perdogg

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To: Varmint Al

You get a screen capture saved. Google got the word too, and dropped it. Get a 404 error now on your link to their cache.

41 posted on 06/30/2013 10:02:41 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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42 posted on 06/30/2013 10:10:25 AM PDT by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who uses the terms “social justice” and “fair distribution".)
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To: John S Mosby

Revealed: secret European deals to hand over private data to America

Germany 'among countries offering intelligence' according to new claims by former US defence analyst

Wayne Madsen
Wayne Madsen, an NSA worker for 12 years, has revealed that six EU countries, in addition to the UK, colluded in data harvesting.

At least six European Union countries in addition to Britain have been colluding with the US over the mass harvesting of personal communications data, according to a former contractor to America's National Security Agency, who said the public should not be "kept in the dark".

Wayne Madsen, a former US navy lieutenant who first worked for the NSA in 1985 and over the next 12 years held several sensitive positions within the agency, names Denmark, the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain and Italy as having secret deals with the US.

Madsen said the countries had "formal second and third party status" under signal intelligence (sigint) agreements that compels them to hand over data, including mobile phone and internet information to the NSA if requested.

Under international intelligence agreements, confirmed by declassified documents, nations are categorised by the US according to their trust level. The US is first party while the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand enjoy second party relationships. Germany and France have third party relationships.

In an interview published last night on the blog, Madsen, who has been attacked for holding controversial views on espionage issues, said he had decided to speak out after becoming concerned about the "half story" told by EU politicians regarding the extent of the NSA's activities in Europe.

He said that under the agreements, which were drawn up after the second world war, the "NSA gets the lion's share" of the sigint "take". In return, the third parties to the NSA agreements received "highly sanitised intelligence".

Madsen said he was alarmed at the "sanctimonious outcry" of political leaders who were "feigning shock" about the spying operations while staying silent about their own arrangements with the US, and was particularly concerned that senior German politicians had accused the UK of spying when their country had a similar third-party deal with the NSA.

Although the level of co-operation provided by other European countries to the NSA is not on the same scale as that provided by the UK, the allegations are potentially embarrassing.

"I can't understand how Angela Merkel can keep a straight face, demanding assurances from [Barack] Obama and the UK while Germany has entered into those exact relationships," Madsen said.

The Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Ludford, a senior member of the European parliament's civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee, said Madsen's allegations confirmed that the entire system for monitoring data interception was a mess, because the EU was unable to intervene in intelligence matters, which remained the exclusive concern of national governments.

"The intelligence agencies are exploiting these contradictions and no one is really holding them to account," Ludford said. "It's terribly undermining to liberal democracy."

Madsen's disclosures have prompted calls for European governments to come clean on their arrangements with the NSA. "There needs to be transparency as to whether or not it is legal for the US or any other security service to interrogate private material," said John Cooper QC, a leading international human rights lawyer. "The problem here is that none of these arrangements has been debated in any democratic arena. I agree with William Hague that sometimes things have to be done in secret, but you don't break the law in secret."

Madsen said all seven European countries and the US have access to the Tat 14 fibre-optic cable network running between Denmark and Germany, the Netherlands, France, the UK and the US, allowing them to intercept vast amounts of data, including phone calls, emails and records of users' access to websites.

He said the public needed to be made aware of the full scale of the communication-sharing arrangements between European countries and the US, which predate the internet and became of strategic importance during the cold war.

The covert relationship between the countries was first outlined in a 2001 report by the European parliament, but their explicit connection with the NSA was not publicised until Madsen decided to speak out.

The European parliament's report followed revelations that the NSA was conducting a global intelligence-gathering operation, known as Echelon, which appears to have established the framework for European member states to collaborate with the US.

"A lot of this information isn't secret, nor is it new," Madsen said. "It's just that governments have chosen to keep the public in the dark about it. The days when they could get away with a conspiracy of silence are over."

This month another former NSA contractor, Edward Snowden, revealed to the Guardian previously undisclosed US programmes to monitor telephone and internet traffic. The NSA is alleged to have shared some of its data, gathered using a specialist tool called Prism, with Britain's GCHQ.

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Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

43 posted on 06/30/2013 11:02:50 AM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: Perdogg; Revolting cat!

Nothing ever disappears from the internet.

44 posted on 06/30/2013 12:17:03 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Strategerist

[So does the “truth” include the USS Cole actually being attacked by an Israeli submarine, not Al Queda terrorists?]

NIXON: Jeeesus Christ.

45 posted on 06/30/2013 1:43:39 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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To: Perdogg

I would not surprised if a lot of the weird things going on in the stock, bond, commodities markets in U.S. and Europe in the past several years, have to do with “insider” information being given to certain favored people, collected and handed out on command by the NSA.

46 posted on 06/30/2013 1:47:59 PM PDT by boxlunch (Deuteronomy 28,29,30)
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To: Varmint Al

Looks like it was taken down within minutes. Hope someone saved it.

47 posted on 06/30/2013 6:28:57 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: B4Ranch
I didn't say you could download it. I said that, at the time I posted, it hadn't been scrubbed because I got a copy.
48 posted on 06/30/2013 8:41:35 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: Perdogg

Amazing how fast the NSA story has disappeared from the news. They talk about that so-called “traitor,” Snowden, but thats about it. Any coverage of the NSA spying on us has completely disappeared, just like Benghazi, the IRS, etc. No wonder obbammer is never worried about this stuff.

49 posted on 06/30/2013 9:57:11 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Perdogg

In the UK, the government can censor anything by citing “national security”, so I’d bet that is what happened.

50 posted on 07/01/2013 9:19:39 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: i_robot73

I’ve voted for “R”s so many times that it makes me sick. It will never happen again. They’re all in it together. Sadly, I think it’s probably too late to do anything about it.

51 posted on 07/01/2013 12:13:37 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (If you vote for evil because you can't see evil, you ARE evil!)
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To: Hardraade

Some years ago there was a radio interview with a Looey who claimed to work for NSA who expounded at great length about what he could and couldn’t do while monitoring communications at NSA. My recollection is that he was Air Force but there could be memory failure there. But I remember the conversation very well and what he said coincided well with what I already knew about NSA and it’s one of the reasons that nothing Snowden has said so far is even news let alone serious breech of anything. Can’t remember who did the interview but I think it was one of the night time talk radio guys.

52 posted on 07/01/2013 12:54:13 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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