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ATF leader who oversaw botched sting will run Phoenix office
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 6/30/2013 | John Diedrich

Posted on 06/30/2013 7:30:35 AM PDT by rabidralph

The ATF leader who oversaw a botched undercover operation in Milwaukee will now be in charge of the agency's embattled Phoenix office, where agents allowed more than 2,000 guns to walk into the hands of suspected criminals through the infamous "Operation Fast and Furious."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: Arizona; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; brianterry; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; hsi; jaimezapata; murdergate; obama; terry; zapata
The government, once again, is promoting incompetence. Read more.
1 posted on 06/30/2013 7:30:35 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: afraidfortherepublic

A Ping for you.


2 posted on 06/30/2013 7:31:46 AM PDT by rabidralph (Gray State Movie)
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To: rabidralph

At least this time we have an idea of where to keep an eye out for ATF Shenanigans.

My advice to all Gun Dealers in Arizona and the surrounding states is to install more cameras and wire up all of their employees so that they have recordings of all transactions from now on. It’s the best way to protect themselves from entrapment charges.


3 posted on 06/30/2013 7:36:10 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: rabidralph

According to a new report from the Department of the Interior Inspector General, the United States Park Police have lost track of thousands of handguns, shotguns, machine guns and rifles.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/06/28/department-of-the-interior-loses-thousands-of-guns-n1629818


4 posted on 06/30/2013 7:40:29 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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To: rabidralph

Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes and will do a better job of covering up his activities. /S


5 posted on 06/30/2013 7:48:36 AM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: rabidralph

It figures:

“there will be hell to pay” for Obama’s critics in the second term.“After we win this election, it is payback time. For those who supported us, there will be rewards, for the ones who opposed us, they will get what they deserve. There will be hell to pay. “Valerie Jarrett.”

Why does anyone expect any different.


6 posted on 06/30/2013 7:59:40 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: The Working Man

Enough with the “ botched “ BS.

I was a deliberate operation to put weaponry in the hands of criminal drug cartels and blame American gun dealers for it. The problem for the administration is that someone blew the whistle!


7 posted on 06/30/2013 8:00:05 AM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: TurboZamboni

“”There are 73 Federal offices of inspectors general,[2] a significant increase since the statutory creation of the initial 12 offices by the Inspector General Act of 1978.[3] The offices employ special agents (criminal investigators, often armed) and auditors. In addition, federal offices of inspectors general employ forensic auditors, or “audigators,” evaluators, inspectors, administrative investigators, and a variety of other specialists. Their activities include the detection and prevention of fraud, waste, abuse, and mismanagement of the government programs and operations within their parent organizations””

Doing a bang up job at the DETECTION and PREVENTION part, aren’t they? They get busy AFTER the deeds have been done and write up a report. AND if they’re lucky, get to participate in a congressional committee hearing and appear as the hero.


8 posted on 06/30/2013 8:03:12 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: TsonicTsunami08
Beat me to it. Not a single government official has been actually held responsible for the crimes of this administration.

Each unpunished crime expands the envelope of acceptable action and sets a precedent for future presidential thugs to build on.

There is very little time.

9 posted on 06/30/2013 8:08:58 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th.)
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To: Thank You Rush

In several cases, Obama has refused to appoint an inspector general, such as over at State where one is sorely needed.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/26/ted-cruz-i-ll-block-all-state-nominees-until-they-appoint-inspector-general.html


10 posted on 06/30/2013 8:09:46 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: rabidralph

You can’t make this stuff up.


11 posted on 06/30/2013 8:09:51 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: rabidralph

F&F was not a “botched sting,” as there was never any attempt to track the weapons.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 8:13:50 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: dirtboy

“”In several cases, Obama has refused to appoint an inspector general, such as over at State where one is sorely needed.””

He finally did appoint one last week after Cruz made his statement. Steve Linick who is the current IG from the Federal Housing Finance Agency. They must be running out of stooges if he had to pick one from another agency. Now will he leave the Federal Housing Finance Agency without an IG? Who cares? As far as I can tell, they are useless anyway.


13 posted on 06/30/2013 8:18:59 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: paint_your_wagon
Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes and will do a better job of covering up his activities.

My father put it this way: "Smart people learn from other people's mistakes; average people learn from their own mistakes, and dumb people just make the same mistakes over and over."

Years later, it occurred to me the critical factor may not always be intelligence, but the willingness to learn.

14 posted on 06/30/2013 8:26:20 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Carry_Okie

I agree. There was only the ATF’s assertion. After the fact that they were “tracking” the weapons.

So once again we are seeing a central figure in an Obama scandal being rewarded after the smoke has cleared. If anybody needs proof that “Fast and Furious” was an intentional gun-running scheme they need look no further.


15 posted on 06/30/2013 8:48:29 AM PDT by Tallguy (Hunkered down in Pennsylvania)
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To: rabidralph; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...
You just can't make this sh!t up!


16 posted on 06/30/2013 9:11:07 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: Venturer

President Jarrett knows what she’s talking about.


17 posted on 06/30/2013 9:23:29 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Tallguy
Putting Obama's strategy into a nut-shell is very simple: He is arming the enemies of the bourgeoisie while depriving us of weapons and logistical means to sustain a defense. Seen that way, everything he has done makes perfect sense. Cities will be uninhabitable at the flick of a switch. There will be little escape across the surrounding "greenbelts." The land will be full of armed gangs. There will be hazards there with no game because of wolves. The forests can be cleared with a match. There will be no food, and no means to organize until it is too late.

Lev. 26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto Me, and will not hearken unto Me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins. 22 And I will send the beast of the field among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your ways shall become desolate. 23 And if in spite of these things ye will not be corrected unto Me, but will walk contrary unto Me; 24 then will I also walk contrary unto you; and I will smite you, even I, seven times for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall execute the vengeance of the covenant; and ye shall be gathered together within your cities; and I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 When I break your staff of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver your bread again by weight; and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied. There is a counter-strategy, one given to Israel over 3,000 years ago, yet it has never been fully comprehended until only very recently. It starts with the Sabbath for the Land.
18 posted on 06/30/2013 9:44:55 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: rabidralph

Possibly they are being rewarded for their competance. They put firearms in the hands of those who can cause civil disobedience, possibly be part of obama’s civilian army, commit crimes with firearms thereby discrediting firearms and legal firearm owners, converting goods seized by BATF (cigarettes, untaxed alcohol, firearms, etc,) into funds for the gangs also fenceing for them and paying them with taxpayer money. And the brain damaged gentleman, just seeing that he gets proper care from the state.

Job Well Done, America being corrupted, undermined and public resources being converted to the enemies of America. The’ll probably get raises too.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 9:47:56 AM PDT by duffee (NO poll tax, NO tax on firearms, ammunition or gun safes. NO gun free zones.)
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To: rabidralph

Fast and Furious was not a ‘botched sting.’ In order for a sting to be botched there has to be some protocol in the operation to affect a sting. There was none. F&F went exactly as planned.


20 posted on 06/30/2013 9:50:54 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Carry_Okie

>> “ The forests can be cleared with a match.” <<

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Yet thousands of land owners in wild lands are suing the state over the 100 foot clear space requirement in California, calling it unreasonable.

There is going to be much weeping and wailing as the end rolls out.


21 posted on 06/30/2013 9:54:38 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: paint_your_wagon
"Hopefully he has learned from his mistakes and will do a better job of covering up his activities victims"

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22 posted on 06/30/2013 9:58:48 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Yet thousands of land owners in wild lands are suing the state over the 100 foot clear space requirement in California, calling it unreasonable.

In some cases it is; in others it's not enough. That's what's wrong with State specifications calling the shots.

Most of these idiots think that a forest is composed only of trees. They wouldn't recognize a multi-aged stand with full cohorts of groundcovers, grasses, and shrubs if they saw one.

23 posted on 06/30/2013 10:22:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Much of our national forests are choked with chemise and conifer seedlings, and little natural forest really exists these days.

Only that part that is privately owned bears any resemblence to a real forest.


24 posted on 06/30/2013 10:44:25 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Much of our national forests are choked with chemise and conifer seedlings, and little natural forest really exists these days.

After 10,000 years of aboriginal management, the term, "natural forest" is a myth. The reason they aren't the same is because humans aren't harvesting pine nuts, coppicing gooseberries, and killing both herbivores and competing predators. We need to learn how to run them differently, but doing that while retaining the early successional species that give restart its microbial life will take time and experimentation, not "preservation." This is to say nothing of the influence of exotics.

25 posted on 06/30/2013 11:13:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: rabidralph

They are promoting criminality, not incompetence.


26 posted on 06/30/2013 11:33:07 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Carry_Okie

If our forests were actually managed, as opposed to either clear cut, or not cut, there would be way less forest fires, etc. The Germans have the right idea, IMO, as they have locals manage their forests...the proper trees get cut and used as fence posts, whatever. The local people have direct stake and say in the proceedings.
The downside to that is a “forest mafia” begins to take shape, but there is a lot of peer pressure and at the end of the year the forest is in balance and targeted hunting keeps the animal populations in check.

Can anyone explain to me what beneficial effect the forest service has? Some guy from wherever who works for someone in DC?


27 posted on 06/30/2013 11:43:11 AM PDT by gr8eman (Ron Swanson for President!)
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To: rabidralph
This guy knows way too much to be fired, demoted or stuck in some lonely outpost. If he thinks his career is over he will sing like a canary. The alternatives are to kill him or give him a promotion. There's enough intrigue and bad guys in the vicinity of Phoenix that allows them the option of killing him and disguising it up if he goes squirrely.
28 posted on 06/30/2013 12:12:37 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: gr8eman
Can anyone explain to me what beneficial effect the forest service has?

It enriches the heirs of Frederick Weyerhaeuser by keeping Federal timber off the market?

29 posted on 06/30/2013 12:43:55 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: rabidralph; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Unbelievable! ATF Agent who botched the gun sting in Milwlaukee has been sent to manage the office in Phoenix. Murphy’s Law.

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconisn interest ping list.


30 posted on 06/30/2013 12:51:22 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: rabidralph

“F### up and move up”

AKA: Peter Principle.


31 posted on 06/30/2013 2:57:27 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Well, it was “botched” because they got caught.


32 posted on 06/30/2013 2:58:26 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Venturer

"Vernon Jarrett, began his journalism career at the Chicago Defender during the 1940s and later worked for the Associated Negro Press. ConEdison CEO, Thomas Ayers, served on the Board of Directors of the Erikson Institute with Valerie Jarrett’s mother. Thomas Ayers’ son is William Ayers, who co-founded the 1960’s terrorist group, The Weather Underground. Valerie Jarrett served on a Corporate Board with Bernadine Dorhn, William Ayer’s wife and fellow Weather Underground terrorist."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2340264/posts

 

 

 

Dn't need n Weatherman t see which waybama's wind

blws.

 

"Behind the Violence, Says Jane Alpert, Was Sex"

--November 09, 1981--
"The leaders of the Weather Underground, she believes, followed a similar pattern of constantly shifting sexual alliances..."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20080637,00.html

"He [Bill Ayers] also writes about the Weathermen's sexual experimentation as they tried to 'smash monogamy.' The Weathermen were 'an army of lovers,' he says, and describes having had different sexual partners, including his best male friend."

Source: New York Times, September 11, 2001: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

"...the Weathermen, when not engaged in group sex, committed such revolutionary acts as parading with a Viet Cong flag through a local park on Independence Day and spray-painting the walls of a high school with the slogans, "Off the Pigs," "Viet Cong Will Win," and "F#$k U.S. Imperialism."..."

Campus Wars: The Peace Movement At American State Universities in the Vietnam Era

 

"What happens next bears watching closely, as does the response of the president, ex-Speaker Pelosi, and others on the left.  Encouraged by leftists in the Democratic Party and funded by left-leaning nonprofit organizations and celebrity contributors, Occupy Wall Street may in time morph into something resembling the radical factions of the late 1960s and 1970s."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/10/predicting_the_weatherman.html

The Osawatomie Coincidence

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2818309/posts


33 posted on 06/30/2013 3:34:11 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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