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Girl buys water, spends night in jail [could get five years in jail]
yahoo.com ^ | June 30, 2013 | Dylan Stableford

Posted on 06/30/2013 2:05:27 PM PDT by grundle


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: biggestgangintown; donutwatch; lethalforce; neoprohibition; policestate; thugswithabadge; virginiaabc; zerotolerance
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undercover agents from the state's Alcohol Beverage Control division mistook her water purchase for beer

the agents—six men and one woman, all in plainclothes—approached suspecting the box, a blue carton of LaCroix sparkling water, to be a 12-pack of beer. One jumped on the hood of her SUV; another pulled out a gun

"They began trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified"

The students called 911 as they left the parking lot

agents arrested Daly and charged her with two counts of assaulting a law enforcement officer and one count of eluding police—each carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and $2,500 in fines

1 posted on 06/30/2013 2:05:27 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Even if it had been beer, this is wrong.


2 posted on 06/30/2013 2:07:49 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: Dalberg-Acton

The charges against her were dropped.


3 posted on 06/30/2013 2:09:37 PM PDT by mware
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To: mware

“The charges against her were dropped.”

Hope that she and the people with her sue! And those suits should be civil and criminal, with jail time for the cops. They are really lucky no one was shot.


4 posted on 06/30/2013 2:15:28 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: grundle
Nonetheless, Chapman "stood by the agents' decision to file charges, citing faith in a process that yielded an appropriate resolution."

"You don't know all the facts until you complete the investigation," he said.

Plainclothes police bust a 20 y.o. buying what they thought was beer at a supermarket, 7 folks with guns drawn and unintelligible badges.

They tell her to roll down windows, but she can't unless the "car is started"(?).

She "may" have grazed one of them after her roommate told her to get out of there. Gets felony charges for that, since dropped.

Are all cops in VA really this stupid? How would they have probable cause unless they knew how old she really was? Was there a simultaneous bust of the store clerk that checked her out - or did they bust the self-checkout attendant?

5 posted on 06/30/2013 2:15:44 PM PDT by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: grundle

When the liquor Schutzstaffel officers tried to stop her as she left the store, she ran instead of stopping and showing them what she bought. She and her girlfriend jumped in their vehicle, rolled up the windows, and drove off, running over two officers in the process. Sounds like everybody was hysterical, not just the cops.


6 posted on 06/30/2013 2:15:47 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: texas booster

>>Are all cops in VA really this stupid?

No, all cops are this stupid...not just in VA.


7 posted on 06/30/2013 2:17:54 PM PDT by qwerty1234
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To: grundle

Six men and one woman..., seven agents trying to take down one young woman who bought water. And yet, they still think they were wronged in the exchange.

One jumps on the hood, one pulls a gun threatening the women with lethal force..., for buying designer water.

All seven should have gone home realizing they could have ended the life of an innocent young woman, but for the grace of God. No, they had to file complaints that sought to cast themselves in the ‘wronged’ position.

I try to defend law enforcement most of the time. In this instance I can see seven agents in the wrong line of work.

I’m not sure if they are qualified to draw unemployment or not, but they are most definitely not qualified to draw a law enforcement paycheck.


8 posted on 06/30/2013 2:18:30 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: grundle

I guess these days everybody is a S.W.A.T. team.


9 posted on 06/30/2013 2:20:24 PM PDT by jimfree (In November 2016 my 13 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: ottbmare

If you’re a young woman out late at night, what is your number one duty to yourself? Hang around after several unknown men demand you do so, or run and sort it out later?

She did exactly what she should have.

In this day and age you never know who these people are. Seven people showing you seven different badges? Not a real confidence builder there.

And as far as two cops getting bumped by the vehicle, I’ll bet they could have gotten out of the way if they wanted to. They allowed themselves to be brushed so they could add assault in if nothing else stuck.

Each of these people should be given at least 30 days suspension without pay.


10 posted on 06/30/2013 2:22:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Breaking News: Hillary not running in 2016. Brain tumor found during recent colonoscopy...)
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To: ottbmare
When the liquor Schutzstaffel officers tried to stop her as she left the store, she ran instead of stopping and showing them what she bought. She and her girlfriend jumped in their vehicle, rolled up the windows, and drove off, running over two officers in the process. Sounds like everybody was hysterical, not just the cops.

WTH story did you read? Try again.

11 posted on 06/30/2013 2:22:44 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: rockabyebaby

hehe

Two sorority girls in the doorway of a market carrying stuff and seven LEOs can’t stop them from getting in their car and driving away?

Cops lie. All for the right reasons, dontcha see.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 2:27:13 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: grundle

This is part of the Nazification of the US. If the people of her town aren’t milling around at her hearing and protesting, there will be more of the same. there and everywhere. We are all getting used to it.


13 posted on 06/30/2013 2:31:05 PM PDT by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed " people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: grundle

“Undercover agents” means they were trying to look like everybody else.

So how the freak are the girls supposed to know they are law enforcement?

Of course the girls ran. Of course they drove off when these hoodlums jumped on her vehicle and tried breaking the windows. And pulled weapons.

The girl saw hoodlums acting aggressively toward her and her girlfriend(s).

She did the the right thing.

The MORONS with the badges are lucky people didn’t get killed.

What they did was wrong. What they did SHOULD be illegal.

At the very bare minimum they should pay for the damages to the vehicle. They SHOULD be paying a lot more than that - they should be unemployed.

This crap needs to stop.


14 posted on 06/30/2013 2:31:08 PM PDT by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: grundle

Easily the oddest part of this story and something no one has mentioned either in the original article or in the responses here is why were there 7 undercover cops assigned to stop someone from illegally buying beer?


15 posted on 06/30/2013 2:31:24 PM PDT by sakic
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To: grundle; a fool in paradise

I may be alone in this, but I think it’s good to know that we’re protected!


16 posted on 06/30/2013 2:35:00 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: DoughtyOne; rockabyebaby
Don't misunderstand--I'm not defending the behavior of the cops! That's why I called them "Schutzstaffel." I'm sure you get the reference. As I understand it from the local press, their behavior is being investigated and it's likely they will be disciplined for their stupidness.

Here's the local press write-up: Virginia Cops With Nothing Better To Do Terrorize Nervous College Girl And Nearly Get People Killed

17 posted on 06/30/2013 2:35:38 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: grundle
"Nonetheless, Chapman "stood by the agents' decision to file charges, citing faith in a process that yielded an appropriate resolution."

The prosecutors in this country are now the criminals.

18 posted on 06/30/2013 2:37:50 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: grundle

If we had cops as attentive to terrorists as they are to kids buying beer, maybe we could all sleep a little easier at night.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 2:40:49 PM PDT by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: grundle

I used to have respect for LEO’s but after stories like this plus all the pet shootings they scare the living cr&p out of me.


20 posted on 06/30/2013 2:43:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: grundle

The police are practicing for when they go after gun owners.


21 posted on 06/30/2013 2:47:42 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: ottbmare
Sounds like everybody was hysterical, not just the cops.

You must have missed the part where it said 20 year old girls. To call 20 year old girls, hysterical, would be redundant.

22 posted on 06/30/2013 2:51:24 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Revolting cat!
Yes...

You're alone.

23 posted on 06/30/2013 2:54:20 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Nik Naym
“Undercover agents” means they were trying to look like everybody else. So how the freak are the girls supposed to know they are law enforcement? Of course the girls ran. Of course they drove off when these hoodlums jumped on her vehicle and tried breaking the windows. And pulled weapons. The girl saw hoodlums acting aggressively toward her and her girlfriend(s). She did the the right thing. The MORONS with the badges are lucky people didn’t get killed. What they did was wrong. What they did SHOULD be illegal. At the very bare minimum they should pay for the damages to the vehicle. They SHOULD be paying a lot more than that - they should be unemployed. This crap needs to stop.

Not in Obama's Amerika. It's only going to get worse from here on out.
24 posted on 06/30/2013 2:55:40 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: mountn man

And you’re alone in not getting the joke.


25 posted on 06/30/2013 2:55:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: tanuki
If we had cops as attentive to terrorists as they are to kids buying beer, maybe we could all sleep a little easier at night.

Why? Terrorists kill people which is good for the planet. Miserable citizens kill themselves which is good for the planet. Why allow any peace to exist at all? /end sarc
26 posted on 06/30/2013 2:57:13 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: Nik Naym

What if the girls, properly fearing for their safety, shot one/some of the marauders?

This crap has got to stop. Even if it was beer, so what? This kind of reaction is insane.


27 posted on 06/30/2013 2:59:37 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: SkyDancer

I agree. I always thought the police were here to help you. Now I know different. I was the victim of an very minor assault. I gave a statement and made the mistake of not reading it when I signed. Stupid, I know but then I thought cops were honest people. When I talked to the prosecutor, I realized that what they had written about this bore no resemblance to what happened. It read like attempted murder. It made me so angry, I threatened not to tesify if they called me.


28 posted on 06/30/2013 3:01:45 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: sakic

I shared your idea as the first thought that came to mind.

It should’ve only taken one officer stopping the vehicle as it entered the street.

Why were they stopping it in a parking lot, on private property?


29 posted on 06/30/2013 3:02:34 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: grundle

It really sounds like a planned raid on the store, known to police to sell alcohol to minors, and they needed some proof PDQ.


30 posted on 06/30/2013 3:05:39 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SkyDancer

“I used to have respect for LEO’s but after stories like this plus all the pet shootings they scare the living cr&p out of me.”
_____________________________________________________

Comrade, you forget that you now live IN THE USSA.
Before I left for good in 2004, I noticed that the good old boys on the beat, even in very small bedroom communities, were turning into jack-booted thugs, lusting to be control freaks and Gestapos.


31 posted on 06/30/2013 3:13:06 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: ottbmare
Don't misunderstand

I don't think I misunderstood, this is exactly what you said

When the liquor Schutzstaffel officers tried to stop her as she left the store, she ran instead of stopping and showing them what she bought. She and her girlfriend jumped in their vehicle, rolled up the windows, and drove off, running over two officers in the process. Sounds like everybody was hysterical, not just the cops.

I read the story. You have stated things that are not found in the story. Nowhere does it say she ran, nowhere does it say they jumped into the vehicle and rolled up the windows. Nowhere does is say she "ran over" two officers.

Sounds like everybody was hysterical,

Including you!

32 posted on 06/30/2013 3:13:18 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: CityCenter

Last time I was home I was on the fwy heading home when a plainclothes HWP cop car pulls me over. There was no cause since I had not violated any road rules. He comes over and dumbfoundly tries to get a date with me. He chats me up for about fifteen minutes and when I kept insisting for him to tell me what law I violated he just comes back with “well take it easy” - gets back in his patrol car and leaves. I must have sat there a good five minutes trying to get my nerves under control. I was too shook to get his number. In any case he would have denied it.


33 posted on 06/30/2013 3:15:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: AlexW

I think I’m going to stayin Australia for a while. The town is super, they love Yanks and have made many friends. I come home over the Holidays and come back here right after NYD .....


34 posted on 06/30/2013 3:17:46 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

“I think I’m going to stayin Australia for a while.”
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Becoming an expat will soon be the only option for freedom loving Americans.
I have not missed anything from back there.


35 posted on 06/30/2013 3:33:42 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: ottbmare
Thanks for the link. It shows that in addition to the LaCroix bottled water the sorority girls also had COOKIE DOUGH AND ICE CREAM that they had bought. That was highly suspicious for University of Virginia students. The six plainclothes cops showed considerable restraint by not wrestling the sorority sisters to the ground. They clearly deserve to be awarded metals for valor and immediate promotions.

All law enforcement officers can beam with pride that they have these 5 brother officers and 1 sister officer in the LEO fraternity.

The only thing is that the newspaper articles published the name of the impacted University of Virginia student but not the names of these valiant officers. I guess they must possess great modesty in addition to the valor they possess.

36 posted on 06/30/2013 3:36:46 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: qwerty1234
No, all cops are this stupid...not just in VA.

I'm just thankful she didn't have her dog with her.

37 posted on 06/30/2013 3:40:55 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The imposition of a duty on the importation of a commodity burdens the consumers. --Ludwig Von Mises)
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To: rockabyebaby
I called the cops "Schutzstaffel." You appear to have missed the reference. Perhaps you have not heard of the Nazi SS, Hitler's enforcers. You see? This is not a compliment to the ABC officers. I agree that they behaved very badly and could have gotten themselves and innocent people killed. Nota bene: I also gave a rather contemptuous headline of my own to the article I attached to my prior post. This too could be construed as evidence that I don't support the actions of the cops.

If I were in historic Charlottesville, Virginia, one of the most beautiful and gracious towns in the US (and I have been there often, have you?) I would not conclude I was being surrounded by a group of rapists. It's vanishingly unlikely a college girl just outside of a supermarket in Charlottesville would be surrounded by seven rapists at one time, all producing badges. Immediately concluding that men = rape is what makes Miss Daly sound a little excitable. Charlottesville is not LA or New York City or Chicago and it is not a center for rampaging packs of rapists. I wonder why she didn't step back into the well-lit store instead of dashing for her car?

That doesn't excuse what the cops did by any means. I keep saying that and I'm beginning to wonder how many more times I have to write those words in different ways before you recognize that I mean them.

As it happens, my daughter just finished university last year and is dating a cop. She thinks the girls were being excitable, too. I expect to hear the opinion of the cop friend later this evening.

By the way, gratuitous insults, like calling me "hysterical," are not conducive to communication. You would be hard-pressed to identify one word in my posts that is excessively emotional. But if you like, you can continue arguing about it with yourself. I have work to do. Have a great evening.

38 posted on 06/30/2013 3:43:25 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare--now a Marine Mom)
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To: AlexW

I spent some time in Tokyo living with some ex-pats in the Roppongi, suburb Tokyo section. All western type of stuff and lots of fun.


39 posted on 06/30/2013 3:44:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Revolting cat!

“I may be alone in this, but I think it’s good to know that we’re protected!”<>P

Forget the “/s” after that?


40 posted on 06/30/2013 3:46:13 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: ottbmare

She did not drive over two officers


41 posted on 06/30/2013 3:48:16 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: ottbmare

In a situation like that I might well have been hysterical too.

What the young woman, Elizabeth Daly said was that a person or persons approached her (I am not clear if this was as she was walking to or as she was getting into her car), in plain clothes, came running toward her and waving some sort of badge, at least one had a gun drawn, but it was dark, late at night and they (not even cops but (Alcohol Control Board (ABC) agents) evidently didn’t identify themselves very clearly if at all.

ABC even says, “Other agents did not join the incident until the subject refused to cooperate,” ABC said. “Rather than comply with the officers’ requests, the subject drove off, striking two officers.” (It should be noted that neither of the two officers were injured and I doubt they were actually struck).

“They were showing unidentifiable badges after they approached us, but we became frightened, as they were not in anything close to a uniform,” Daly wrote in an account submitted to the court. “I couldn’t put my windows down unless I started my car, and when I started my car they began yelling to not move the car, not to start the car. They began trying to break the windows. My roommates and I were ... terrified.”

“One jumped on the hood of her SUV; another pulled out a gun, Daly said, as her roommates seated inside looked on in horror.”

“Daly’s roommate in the front passenger seat told her to “go, go, go”—and that’s what she did, apparently “grazing” two of the agents in the process.”

(That friend in the front seat of Daly’s vehicle BTW, had recently heard stories from dozens of sexual assault survivors at an annual Take Back the Night vigil on UVA campus and was on edge according to Daly and her friends’ statements to the police).

“The students called 911 as they left the parking lot, police said, and were pulled over by another agent driving a vehicle with lights and sirens, Charlottesville Commonwealth Attorney Dave Chapman told the paper.”

“Daly apologized when she realized who they were, Chapman said, but agents arrested Daly and charged her with two counts of assaulting a law enforcement officer and one count of eluding police—each carrying a maximum penalty of five years in prison and $2,500 in fines. She spent the night in Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail.”

It should be mentioned as it was in another article posted that there had been a recent rash of sexual assaults and armed robberies in the area surrounding the campus so it makes sense that they would have been afraid.

So you have a young woman who didn’t do anything wrong and had no reason not to comply with a “real” LEO if that said LEO had calmly approached her, properly identified himself and or was in uniform. But instead she was saw an unidentified person waving something at her that she could not have possibly known if it was a badge, real or not, and running toward her, she is near getting into her vehicle¸ then the rest of the 6 plain clothes ABC agents run up¸ one jumping on the hood another drawing a gun, she starts the engine as according to Daly, she can’t roll down the windows otherwise, then they start trying to break the windows, she drives off in a panic while her friends dial 911. When a police officer in a marked car with lights on, pulls them over, she complies without problem or incident and profusely apologizes for not realizing the ABC plain clothes agents were not armed thugs trying to rob them or worse. It’s a good thing they didn’t have a dog in the car with them. / s

At that point everyone should have apologized and let out a big breath of relief and had a good laugh, but no, they hauled her off to jail where she stayed until the following afternoon, charging her with several felony counts which in a sudden fit of common sense or the realization they screwed up, were dropped.

And I would also ask what sort of “reasonable suspicion” did these ABC agents have for approaching her in the first place? Do they hassle everyone who comes out of a convenience store with a box that may or may not contain beer? Did they not have a plain clothes agent inside the store that could have clearly seen that she was buying water? Do ABC agents know or are they trained to know the difference? Are you required in VA to be carded when buying overly priced water? How did they know she was underage – not all college students are under 21 BTW.

Even better yet, they could have if they had reasonable suspicion, gotten the make, model and license plate of her car and had a real police officer in uniform and in a marked car stationed nearby and in on the “sting op” to pull them over a block away. I understand why ABC agents might need to carry arms if they are confronted by an armed suspect but I don’t know how the hell ABC agents are empowered to draw weapons on citizens on the mere suspicion that that person “might” be underage and “might” have purchased beer illegally? Is this sort of thing really worth preventing someone who might be 20 years and 11 months old from buying beer – something that I think should be legal at 18 but that’s another topic.

And FWIW, when I lived in the Baltimore area there was a rash of incidents of a man in an unmarked car with a dashboard light and some sort of fake badge pulling over women driving alone late at night on rural roads, getting the woman to stop and making her get out of their car and into his where he sexually assaulted her. The Baltimore County police advised at the time, that if someone in an unmarked car attempts to pull you over and or shows you a badge and you have any suspicion or question whether that person is really a police officer, you should remain in your car and call 911 on your cell phone if you have one and verify their identity and if their identity is not verified by 911 give your location and if you feel you are in immediate danger or have no way to call 911, calmly and without speeding or driving recklessly, drive to the nearest police station or to the nearest well lit and populated area.

There have also been cases of people coming to a house, showing a badge and claiming to be the police and when the unsuspecting person let’s them in, they are beaten and robbed. There is also a long running scam in many areas of the country where someone in a work uniform with a fake ID badge and driving an unmarked van, comes to a house claiming to be from the utility company saying they are there to inspect their furnace or meter or check on a gas leak or electrical problem. The person, usually an elderly person, lets them in and they are tied up and robbed or the perp lets an accomplice in through a back or basement door. BGE in Maryland in response to such incidents said, “Meter readers always are in uniform and carry picture ID’s and drive vans with BGE markings and always come at the same time every month and if you are not comfortable letting them in, you can call in your own meter reading, and if your meter is on the outside, they will never asked to come inside your home. We will call you first if we need to send someone out to your home, if you have not called us, do not under any circumstances let that person into your home, instead ask them to wait outside, ask for their ID number and call us to verify they are really from BGE.”

In other words IMO the young woman and her friends did absolute the right thing under the circumstances, they called 911 and attempted to drive away from a situation they had good reason to believe was life threatening and when they saw a marked police car, pulled over and complied with the officer’s instructions. She shouldn’t have spent one minute in jail and charges against her should have never been filed in the first place, VA should take the guns away from the ABC agents and or at the very least, fire all these yahoos involved so they can get a job they are more qualified for like at the local mall.


42 posted on 06/30/2013 3:54:55 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: doorgunner69

Sorry, we don’t provide a laugh track.


43 posted on 06/30/2013 3:56:05 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: ottbmare

After reading that article, I have to wonder, WHY? As a former police officer & military veteran the description of events sounds like a gang attack. This young lady had no idea who these people were or their intentions. One troubling part of this entire situation, how would they know if she was underage? Were they running plate numbers in the parking lot? No, this sounds way above common sense, this almost appears like a shakedown!


44 posted on 06/30/2013 3:58:25 PM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: SkyDancer

“I spent some time in Tokyo living with some ex-pats”
________________________________________________________
Every part of the Philippines is loaded with expats, but I do not go out of my way to meet them. Most every small town has an expat hangout, but I do not visit them.
I have my small group, my landlady’s husband, and a new expat
from Cape Cod. We gather each afternoon in our small shaded beer garden, just above the beach, and have a few San Miguels.
A few others stop by from time to time.
By the way, Cebu is listed by Travel and Leisure magazine as the third best island in all of Asia, following Bali, and the Maldives.


45 posted on 06/30/2013 3:59:19 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: grundle

I can’t post what I’m thinking right now. It’d get me a visit by the jackbooted thugs.


46 posted on 06/30/2013 4:00:59 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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To: Revolting cat!

Considering how often badgelickers pop up here, you cannot expect everyone to go charging off to check someones posting history to see if it is a live one or just cracking wise.


47 posted on 06/30/2013 4:03:22 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: SkyDancer

This is why I think dash cams should be on every cop car. Starting to think they should have to wear one like a headset.


48 posted on 06/30/2013 4:03:28 PM PDT by CityCenter (Pleading the 5th is just so 1972.)
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To: AlexW

I guess I should have said I’ve met with many expats in Tokyo but didn’t live with them. We’d meet at a club or someplace for a day’s outing.


49 posted on 06/30/2013 4:03:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: CityCenter

Of course they’d get “accidentally erased” should there be embarrassing moments. I now have a dash cam on the car I drive when at home.


50 posted on 06/30/2013 4:04:51 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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