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The Tsarnaev Brothers and the Coming Savage Empire of Islam
PJ Lifestyle ^ | April 22, 2013 | Theodore Shoebat and Walid Shoebat

Posted on 06/30/2013 9:11:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

**** WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEOS INCLUDED IN THIS ARTICLE ****

The Boston Marathon bombing by the Tsarnaevs is not the first notable attack upon Americans by Eastern European Muslims. In 2007, a young Bosnian Muslim named Sulejman Talovic opened fire in the Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City, killing five people and seriously injuring another four before being taken out by officers.

There will be more to come, as long as we keep observing the modern world’s sick obsession with multiculturalism.

As he was killing his victims, Talovic repeatedly proclaimed that Allah was great, and the night before the massacre he told his girlfriend that “something is going to happen tomorrow that you’ll never be able to forgive me about.” He also said that the day will be “the happiest day of his life and that it could only happen once in a lifetime.”

Prior to settling in America, Talovic had a hallucination in Bosnia of a white horse with “two beautiful eyes,” imagery which is emphatically Islamic.

Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev may be out of the way, but this should not make us believe that the Islamic threat is gone, or that the world is now safer.

Now is not a time to celebrate, but to study our enemy assiduously. The Tsarnaevs are from Chechnya, a nation of the Caucasus region. Now that the brothers are becoming household names, Americans should inquire into two of the most focal points of Islamic jihad: the Caucasus and the Balkans. Though much of the region remains Christian today, a sizable portion is Muslim, including Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania, Dagestan, and, of course, Chechnya.

The Balkans and the Caucasus harbor by far the most fanatic of all Islamic fundamentalists.....

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: War on Terror
KEYWORDS: boston; bostonmassacre; globaljihad; islam; jihad; terrorism; threatmatrix; tsarnaev
Comments?
1 posted on 06/30/2013 9:11:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Look Brother this is a matter of belief.
Christians tend to turn the other cheek and Muslims tend to lop folks heads off.
As a Christian, I won’t tolerate it.
They can bitch all day, but when you attack us we will fight your *** and I will see it through.

Muslims think they speak for Allah.
I would never presume to speak for God

But you Jihadis are making a mighty enemy.


2 posted on 06/30/2013 9:20:15 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Trolly Square shootings aren’t often mentioned out of political concerns . Likely the Boston killings won’t be so easily forgotten.


3 posted on 06/30/2013 9:21:56 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We continue to allow these people into our country while knowing that they breed like flies. Anyone here ever heard of a “political plurality.”


4 posted on 06/30/2013 9:23:26 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

Yeah.

Imagine 100,000 muslim jihadis here on H-1B, L-1, refugee and expired student visas working in power plants, fertilizer factories, refineries, chemical manufacturers, hospitals, utilities, dams, pharmaceutical formulators, web hub server farms, municipal water supply facilities, sewage treatment plants, meat packing and food processing plants, driving HazMat trucks...

Remember when the Vietcong took over Huế? They were able to round up every government official, march them all off into the jungle and kill every last one of them in one single night.

They knew exactly where they lived, who they visited, where they shopped and where they ate dinner, and when.

How you ask?

The cabbies had been providing the Vietcong daily reports on their every move for years in advance.

Soooo, where do most of the cabbies in your berg come from? In Washington DC, it's Somalia...

Just because we've forgotten the lessons of Huế and the lessons of the Sepoy Rebellion's "The Perfect Day" doesn't mean our enemies have.

Wiki seems mute on The Perfect Day. That information used to be readily available there. Now it's barely mentioned.

And if the amnesty bill passes, border enforcement is suspended for three years!
5 posted on 06/30/2013 9:30:08 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: OwenKellogg; bunster; thouworm; maggief; onyx; AllAmericanGirl44; ConservativeMan55; crosslink; ...

Anyone wanting on or off this list...well, you know.


6 posted on 06/30/2013 9:37:34 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: null and void

It is part of the muslim MO.
Infiltrate. become 10% of the population, become part of the establishment and stomp on your hosts.

Sell booze and ciggies to the people at a markup while hating them and use their money to fight them.

These people are so transparent.
They think they are smart but they are doofuse’s when they act like that.
Do they not know what is coming?


7 posted on 06/30/2013 9:37:48 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My bad, it's only 2 1/2 years.

Amnesty to Suspend Immigration Enforcement for 2.5 Years

*sigh*

8 posted on 06/30/2013 9:38:09 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Coming soon on TLC, “Explody the Good Muslim” weekdays.


9 posted on 06/30/2013 9:39:15 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com (I don't blame Obama. I blame America.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We should tell Putin he can do what needs to be done visa via Chechnya and look the other way when he does it.


10 posted on 06/30/2013 9:41:12 PM PDT by Waywardson (I did not vote for that pro-abortionist candidate!)
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To: mylife

What’s sickening is that the progressive left has no clue that the Muslims they are in bed with will turn on them in a heartbeat after their overturning of traditional Western values is complete. Unfortunately, that includes us as well unless we soon wake up in larger numbers.


11 posted on 06/30/2013 9:41:47 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is just what the Alinsky crowd wants us to believe; that Ilam is inevitable. I would say a nation with a 76% Chistian population may not agree with tt and call them on their even if it comes down to use of force to prevent it. I’m tired of turning the other cheek until its crimson. I think someone told us to sell our cloak and buy a sword too.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 9:42:11 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: CivilWarBrewing

I don’t know how to sum this up but Obama is devaluing society’s world wide.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/338687.Something_Of_Value

Odd that he has kenyan roots

Jomo Kenyatta would be proud


13 posted on 06/30/2013 9:52:56 PM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My humble predictions:

1. First, read all of Mark Steyn.

2. In the last five years Obama has used American dollars and intelligence to help muslim extremists overthrow Egypt and now Syria. He has allowed Iran to continue their development of nuclear capabilities. By 2014 Israel will be completely surrounded by muslims extremists.

a. Israel will be attacked by nuclear weapons and will cease to exist. The US will do nothing to stop it. By 2016 any new President will be facing a unified Middle East controlled by Iran and Saudi Arabia.

b. Millions of Israeli survivors will be herded into concentrations camps and exterminated.

c. Russia will back this play with nuclear power.

d. China will sit on the sidelines for the time being as they watch the value of their bonds and investments in the US disappear.

e. The Democrats will win the 2016 Presidency and every Presidency race until the final fall of America. They will have destroyed the borders, destroyed the economy, destroyed most of the Anglo-Saxons left living. Conservatives will be forced to wear a branding and will be exterminated in camps set up around the uS.

f. The Supreme Court will be abolished as will the House of Representatives. A non-functioning Democrat Senate will rubber stamp the Democrat dictator's rulings and decrees.

g. By 2020 Sharia law will rule America. There will be no Christian churches or clergy allowed to exist. Underground churches will be publicly executed.

h. The Constitution will have ceased to exist. Muslims will have taken complete control of America. All Conservative and Leftist media will have been executed on television.

i. Canada will surrender to it's new neighbor to the South, North Arabia. Resistance will be futile and resistors executed.

j. At this stage China will be forced to wage all out nuclear war against Muslim Europe, Muslim Middle East, Muslim Africa and North Arabia.

k. The world population by 2025 will have been reduced to under one billion alive. Close to to 7 Billion people will die between then and now at the hands of the muslims and Chinese.

l. By 2030 the world will be highly radioactive with death everywhere. A small band of anarchists will still be living in hopes of a Second Coming of Obama. Fade to black.

14 posted on 06/30/2013 10:07:26 PM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Doc Savage

The Israelis have nuclear-tipped submarine launched ballistic missiles with multiple warheads on several diesel-electric German-made submarines, as well as land-based nuclear missiles and aircraft that can carry nuclear bombs. The people that attack her may succeed, but they’ll probably rue the day they did. And unlike the Pakastanis and Iranians, the Israelis also have thermonuclear weapons. Know what the “trigger” is on a thermonuclear device?


15 posted on 06/30/2013 10:15:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You’re exactly right. And the Muslims know that Mecca and Medina are targeted by Israel.


16 posted on 06/30/2013 10:21:38 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Doc Savage

I can see about 80% of this coming true.


17 posted on 06/30/2013 10:23:42 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The elites of this country and within the Fedzilla are more than happy to welcome them in with open arms.


18 posted on 06/30/2013 10:23:55 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Every time someone uses the word, “rue” I always think of this scene from the movie, “Real Genius.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8NN2A4hQ94


19 posted on 06/30/2013 10:30:12 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (I’m not a Republican, I'm a Conservative! Pubbies haven't been conservative since before T.R.)
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To: MestaMachine; Hardraade

MM - I HOPE you are doing better! I’ve been checking your page regularly but not for a few days - I hope with all my heart you health is improving!

I have a question - on another site someone posted an article making the claim that the British Intelligence started the Muzlim Brotherhood. I sort of doubted if that was accurate and I figured you would know, or Hardraade. So I’m asking...


20 posted on 06/30/2013 10:32:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: null and void

IMHO there is a 100% likelihood of things going Very Very Bad soon with the Mozlem thing. Here.


21 posted on 06/30/2013 10:39:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Sleeping giant...


22 posted on 06/30/2013 10:41:49 PM PDT by null and void (Republicans create the tools of oppression, and the democrats gleefully use them!)
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To: null and void

Yes, actually I was going to mention that other important part of the equation.

Thank you for mentioning it. Cheering.


23 posted on 06/30/2013 10:52:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Though much of the region remains Christian today, a sizable portion is Muslim, including Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania, Dagestan, and, of course, Chechnya.

That's a broad brush.

Bosnia and Herzegovina has swathes of Croatian and Serbian densities which are not Moslem

Albania proper (outside Kosovo) is Moslem in name only -- most follow what their former king Zog preached "whatever your faith, your religion is Albanianism" and the number of those calling themselves Moslem drops each census. in Albania-proper the urge has been since the 20s to distance themselves from Turks and so the rejection of Islam

In Kosovo that's a different "other" -- Christian Serbs. Remember that Serbs/Croats are Slavs while Albanians are not, so any more reason to distance themselves from "the other" is taken

In the case of Dagestan and Chechnya this is very apparent -- there were inroads of Christianity (thanks to two ancient Christian states of Georgia (Sakartvelo) and Armenia (Hayestan) - the names in the () are what they call themelves in their own languages

Anyway, Christianity moved into these north caucasian peoples and they were still heavily pagan/shamanistic until the 18th century when the Russians started moving in (more about this in the next post) and to prevent their Russification to a large extent they adopted Islam -- Sufiism. They were radicalised during the 19th century

24 posted on 06/30/2013 10:54:20 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; SunkenCiv
About Russification

Note that I don't subscribe to the theory of those who are still hung-up about the cold war and persist in seeing Russia as the evil empire. I believe that we have a lot more in common and should be wary allies -- and I also agree with the Russians that Sunni Islam is a danger and it's better to egg on the Shias to fight Sunnis

Anyway, back to topic :) what we call "Russification" is really "Muscofication" -- the ancient East Slavic "confederation" of Kievan Rus was not Muscowite in temperament or culture. It was more decentralized and less autocratic and it was heavily influenced by both Byzantine and Germanics through Poland while maintaining it's separate status.

But then the Mongols came and conquered and disrupted the state forever

As Mongol power waned, the north-western part of Kievan Rus came under Lithuanian control and then Polish (under the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth), the southern part was first depopulated and then came under Polish, Crimean Tatar and Cossack control with an amalgamated culture and the north-eastern portion came under Muscowite control when the Grand Duke of Moscow agreed to becoming the tax collector for the Mongol Khagan.

It is my opinion that the Muscowite tendency for autocratic rule derives from the Mongols and many Russian historians nowadays look favorably on Mongol rule and see the Russian Empire as an extension of the Mongol -- and Moscow's GRand Duke came up with the idea of "collecting of the Rus" i.e. that it was Moscow's manifest destiny to collect the Rus lands

this had an additional dimension added in when Constantinople fell. Now the Grand Dukes of Moscows called themseves Caesar's (Tsar) and took on the mantle of war against Islam and also collecting ALL the Orthodox people together. They maintained this belief until 1918 and arguably it remained even in Soviet minds (not of the Orthodox peoples but conquering Istanbul and Eastern/Central Europe)

In the meanwhile the BiałoRussians (white Russians or Belarussians) developed more "democratically" under Lithuanian rule which was hardly as strong as Moscow's and then in the highly decentralized Polish-Lithuanian state.

The Ukrainians (or Ruthenians as they initially were called -- btw "Ruthene" is the Latin version of "Rusyn" or "Russian) developed even more "democratically" as they were a frontier state -- U kraina in Slavic languages means "on the edge"

Moscow spent the 1600s battling to the east taking over vast Tatar Khaganates and then turned West to wrest the rest of the Rus lands from the "Germanics" and their "Polish subordinates". They succeeded in 1793 when Poland disappeared from the map

it was during this same period that they pushed themselves south into the Caucasus

Mid-1800s with the rise of nationalism inEurope where France attempted to destroy non-French languages (like Breton, Gascon, Corsican, etc) and the English did the same to Cornish, Manx and attempted to do the same to Gaelic, Scottish and Welsh), the Russians did the same to their extended empire.

pre-1848 to be "Russian" was to be a subject of the Tsar, so whatever your nationality was ok.

But post-1848, the focus was on Russification -- you had to speak Russian only and be Russian Orthodox.

This was the same period when other nationalities were doing the same, so the Russians were not doing something unusual, the only difference was that thanks to Russia's dismembering of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and it's conquering of the Crimean Tatars and the Caucasus it suddenly had an influx of non-Russian, non-Russian orthodox. It had Catholic Poles and Lithuanians, Calvinist/Lutheran Baltic Germans, Mennonite Volga Germans, Armenian Orthodox Armenians, Georgian Orthodox Georgians, Moslem Tatars, and loads and load of Jews (the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth in 1792 had more than 60% of world Jewry) and then Finns, Eneks, etc. etc. as well as the descendents of the Alani -- the Ossetes

The only way to manage this chaos was to impose one-nation, one-god as the Ming and then the Qing had done in China

This of course exacerbated nations who wanted to be independent -- if you lose your language and your religion, you then lose your identity (see the Belarussians and many eastern Ukrainians or see the Scottish today)

The way to extract the Chechens from islam is to do the same thing that we should do to the Berbers --> show them that their identity is being swamped by Islam (which promotes "Arabization") and that the way out is to reject Islam.

I propose the way is to push the ancient Church of the East (the Assyrian Church either the Chaldean Catholic or the Assyrian Church) to convert the Chechens and preach in their own languages (the Chechens speak a few languages and the Dagestanis have over 70 I believe)

25 posted on 06/30/2013 11:19:38 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Doc Savage
Obama like his Sunni masters in Saudi Arabis opposes Iran getting nukes.

Remember that there is already "the Islamic nuclear bomb" -- it's in Pakistani hands

When Iran gets its nukes expect Pakistan (at the urging of Saudi Arabia and Qatar) to attack.

26 posted on 06/30/2013 11:32:01 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Doc Savage
to your points 2 -- Israel won't be surrounded by Moslem nutjobs unless Obama and McCain succeed in arming the Syrian Alqaeda jihadis
a. Won't happen -- the Saudis and Qataris and Emiratis as well as the Turks fear a nuclear Iran infinitely more than they want Israel wiped out
a2. a unified Middle East controlled by Iran and Saudi Arabia. -- err.. no, the Saudis HATE the Iranis. The Arabs as a whole hate and fear the Indo-European Iranis and the feeling is reciprocated. They also despise the Turks and the Turks hate the Iranis as well. Iran will expand it's Shia influence from Lebanon to Tajikistan but will be surrounded by Sunnis in the form of the Turks, Turkmen, Punjabi/Sindhi Pakis and the Arabs (Egyptians, Saudis, Qataris, Emiratis). They have NEVER unified and will never unify. Saddam called the Iranis "Persian flies" and wanted to destroy them. The Semitic-Iranic war has been continuous since 1700 BC with the Hittites taking on the Akkadians, then the Assyrians pushing back them and then the Medes followed by the Persians taking over Semitic lands, then Nejdi Arabs taking over Iran, then the Irani push back

b. Not going to happen due to point a

c. Russia won't -- Russia looks out for itself and it's aim is to get Constantinople and also to crush it's Sunni jihadi opponents in the north-Caucasus. It will support the Shias but not the Sunnis as we see in Syria. Also Russia sees Israel as a good balancing force against the Saudis, so it will not want to see it removed, for purely geo-political reasons

d. The Chinese are already investing elsewhere -- in Africa and South America. They won't sit back

e. The Dems won't win 2016 or others. What the GoP needs is either a Herman Cain or Bobby Jindal. Yes, a conservative who happens to be non-white. It may be "marketing", but its needed. "destroyed most of the Anglo-Saxons left living" -- most "white" people in the US are not Anglo-Saxon but Germanic or Scandanavian or Italic or Slavic. The "anglo-saxons" among us are heavily Democrat (think the NOrth-East)

f. perhaps

g. h, i, j Not going to happen -- but we should not be complacent
k&l not going to havppen

27 posted on 07/01/2013 12:03:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: little jeremiah

There is certainly a claim that Al Banna, the MB founder, had brit approval during the time he was a member of *another* secret society, sort of precursor. Also, it would be quite consistent with how the brits did things - they’d set small pots boiling all over the place. In 1948 for example, they told the arabs that “the jews were coming to throw them out”.

Also, of course, Al Banna was nazist. And in the thirties, the brits quite liked the nazists.


28 posted on 07/01/2013 2:29:13 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama equals Osama))
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To: mylife

not me. If I walk in a store and see a muzzi behind the counter I walk right out. I refuse to do business with them.


29 posted on 07/01/2013 3:22:41 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Instead of IMPRISONING THESE TERRORISTS after warning
from Russia and their parent ... the USA under
the Tyrant Obama continued going after the genitals
of American innocent children at airports, and taking
genital photos of adults in airports of innocent America
women, while leaving the border WIDE OPEN and then ignoring
that the Tsarnaev Brothers HAD NO PASSPORT on entering.

THESE MURDERS were PLANNED at the White House and
enabled by the DHS and the terrorists protected by
Holder (who sent a Magistrate Judge fresh from Egypt
to SHUT THEM UP).


30 posted on 07/01/2013 3:43:24 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: little jeremiah

Besides what Hardraade has already confirmed, when the mb ws outlawed, they were allowed to INCORPORATE themselves in britain as a legitimate political group headquartered in London.
Something else few people know...bashar assad was created out of whole cloth by britain AND the USA. Right down to his optometrist status. They thought he would be easier to control than his mysteriously killed in a car wreck brother, but the Iraqis moved in on him immediately and completely shut britain and the US out.


31 posted on 07/01/2013 4:03:47 AM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work. You gotta earn them.)
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To: All

we citizens are not really allowed to do much about anything.


32 posted on 07/01/2013 5:16:53 AM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Doc Savage

What you write is possible, but my prediction about Israel is different from yours. The modern philosophy of “never again” does not mean that there will never be another Holocaust. Jewish history is filled with attempted genocide against the Jews. “Never again” means that the Jews will never again be docile and complicit in their own extermination. A nuclear attack on Israel would bring on retaliation which would scorch the earth of the enemy who attacks them, and that will include Mecca and Medina, followed by a mopping up operation that would be surgical and awful. Then the Jews will climb out of their shelters and rebuild Israel.

When Islam is crushed, a lot of the believers will become bewildered. Fortunately, there is a religion waiting for them in Iran called the Baha’i faith, which has a superficial resemblance to Islam but contains many modern elements which would allow them to live as civilized people with the rest of the world.

IMHO


33 posted on 07/01/2013 6:19:20 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: Cronos
While somewhat off-topic, you seem to be the right person to ask: how did Christianity fail to make significant inroads among the Persians (modern day Iranians) even as it was embraced by many of her neighbors (notably Armenia) in the first three or four centuries after Christ?

I mean, it seems a natural, yet, they went from paganism to Islam even as Christianity was "available" to them.

34 posted on 07/01/2013 7:13:08 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Oratam

I am guessing but “in the first three or four centuries after Christ”, the survival of Christianity anywhere was problematic.


35 posted on 07/01/2013 7:20:47 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: SMARTY
I am guessing but “in the first three or four centuries after Christ”, the survival of Christianity anywhere was problematic.

You are correct.

36 posted on 07/01/2013 8:21:28 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Coming? It’s already here.


37 posted on 07/01/2013 8:28:41 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: laplata
.... Mecca and Medina are targeted by Israel....

Not to worry. Both Holy Cities are protected from the Infidel by the impenetrable Shield of Allah The Almighty. In fact, I suggest that ALL Muslims report there immediately for a demo.

38 posted on 07/01/2013 8:30:47 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: MestaMachine; Hardraade

Thank you very much for your replies. So many devious layers upon layers.


39 posted on 07/01/2013 9:20:08 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
What’s sickening is that the progressive left has no clue that the Muslims they are in bed with will turn on them in a heartbeat after their overturning of traditional Western values is complete. Unfortunately, that includes us as well unless we soon wake up in larger numbers.

I discovered that one of my co-workers, a Purdue graduate with an MBA, has never heard of "Allah-Ahkbar". Never heard of Sharia Law. And has never heard of Islam. She attends a Christian Church and claims to not be a liberal. She represents the vast majority of Americans who are totally clueless. This country is so skrewed.
40 posted on 07/01/2013 9:51:14 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Cracker Barrel is racist and I demand that they change their name.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

LOL!


41 posted on 07/01/2013 9:59:33 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Old Yeller
Never heard of _______________________.

Dont't even try to fill in the blanks, Bud! Today's college graduate generally has as about as much factual knowledge under control as an American 8th grader in 1950. Except for Arithmetic, where the 1950 8th grader might be way ahead.

Land of the lo-info citizen,or perhaps I should say "consumer of government services."

42 posted on 07/01/2013 10:14:04 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: Oratam
Actually Christianity DID make significant inroads in Persia

In the first 3 centuries, Christianity spread a lot in the East. The Persians under the Sassanids were tolerant and Christian proselytisation under the Ancient Church of the East (the Assyrian Church) spread, with the Holy Eucharist being celebrated under the auspices of the Catholicos of Ctesiphon (the erstwhile Persian capital which is now in Iraq) and them sending missionaries to India and to Mongolia (incidently a few Mongol tribes, including the one Genghis Khan married into were Christian -- the Naiman tribe. The descendents of this tribe are one of the Kazakh tribes now) and elsewhere

By the 9th century there were more adherents to the Catholicos of the Assyrian Church than to the other 5 Patriarchs, fully 1/3rd of all Christians

But in the 4th century the Roman Empire first legalised Christianity in 313 (first by Constantine's co-emperor, second by Constantine) and it was made the state religion in 378 by Emperor Theodosius

The latter Emperor even urged the Persian Shahenshah to take up Christianity. This made the Persians see Christians as a fourth column in their empire and persecutions started

it was also exacerbated by Christian bishops who tore down Zoroastrian agiaries (fire-temples)

Anyway, Christianity then spread past Persia central into Khorestan and other far-flung parts of the Empire, into what is now Afghanistan and Tajikistan

Then the Arabs conquered the Persians and for 300 years Christians were left more or less in peace as Arabs initially didn't proselytize

The tragedy of the Church of the East started with first the conversion of the Turkic peoples to Islam and ended with Timur-e-lang (incidently the elder Tsarnaev brother's name was Timur) -- Timur waged a genocidal war against Christians and against Persians. He killed the most people % wise -- killing off 5 to 7% of the world's population, far more, percentage wise than Hitler-Stalin combined.

He nearly eradicated the Georgians and he eliminated the Church of the East, burning thousands of Churches, Christians etc.

His favorite was to make a pyramid of skulls...

43 posted on 07/01/2013 8:43:30 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: SMARTY; Oratam

not completely true, Smarty — Christianity spread well in Persia, Armenia, Georgia, Ethiopia, Kerala etc. in the first 4 centuries while being persecuted by Rome (caveat — remember that the Romans were also tolerant as well — “you follow whatever religion you want,just also worship the emperor as a symbol of Rome” — which Christians and Jews refused to do.)


44 posted on 07/01/2013 9:01:52 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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