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CNN Guests Wonder If Mysteriously Demoted Zimmerman Detective Will Revive Prosecutionís Case
Mediaite ^ | July 1, 2013 | Noah Rothman

Posted on 07/01/2013 5:27:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As the trial of George Zimmerman for the murder of Trayvon Martin resumes on Monday, a CNN panel previewed what is expected to be the testimony of former Det. Chris Serino. Serino interrogated Zimmerman on the night of the murder and is expected to be a key witness for the prosecution. The CNN guests and anchor ntoed that his testimony could reverse the trajectory of this trial.

CNN anchor Carol Costello asked HLN contributor Jason Johnson about the suspicious circumstances surrounding Serino’s recent reassignment and suggested that it may have had something to do with the fact that the former homicide detective was an advocate for the arrest and charging of Zimmerman early on in the investigation.

They played a clip of the recording of Zimmerman’s interrogation in which Serino berated the suspect over his shooting of an unarmed minor.

Criminal defense attorney Page Pate told Costello that Serino’s testimony would help illuminate whether Zimmerman was acting lawfully when he engaged in a fight with Martin.

“If he initiated the fight – if he’s in there throwing punches – just because Trayvon throws a few himself and may even be winning at some point, does not give Zimmerman the right to take out a gun and shoot him,” Pate said.

“But how can you possibly figure out who threw the first punch?” Costello asked.

“That’s where Rachel Jeantel comes in,” Johnson said. “When she claims that she hears the phone drop.”

“Zimmerman had a gun in the chamber,” he continued....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; police; trayvon; zimmerman
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"...had a gun in the chamber..."

I wish people who don't know anything about a subject wouldn't act like they're an expert, don't you?

1 posted on 07/01/2013 5:27:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I sometimes keep a gun in my chamber, too....


2 posted on 07/01/2013 5:29:59 PM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: freebilly

All your chambers are belong to us.


3 posted on 07/01/2013 5:35:22 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m wondering if that would be a chamber pot....that is the only thing that could contain this ridiculous piece of crap from a useless attorney


4 posted on 07/01/2013 5:36:01 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, put the hungie hungie hippo back on the stand. She’ll say anything she want. That’ll help.


5 posted on 07/01/2013 5:37:43 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall With no one to raise him up; And I will set)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Zimmerman had a gun in the chamber,” he continued. “He got out of the car with the gun ready to shoot. He didn’t have the safety on.”

I understand Zimmerman used a Kel-Tec PF9 9mm. It doesn't have an external safety. Strike two. What a couple of ignorant jackasses.

6 posted on 07/01/2013 5:37:59 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

““If he initiated the fight – if he’s in there throwing punches – just because Trayvon throws a few himself and may even be winning at some point, does not give Zimmerman the right to take out a gun and shoot him,” Pate said. “

Doesn’t really matter who initiated a fight. A fight by itself is not cause for use of deadly force.

However once one person threatens the life of the other then deadly force can be used.


7 posted on 07/01/2013 5:38:13 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sound like they’re more interested in a certain outcome than actually finding out the truth !?!?!?


8 posted on 07/01/2013 5:40:04 PM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (#include <std.disclaimers>)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

9 posted on 07/01/2013 5:40:14 PM PDT by JoeProBono (Mille vocibus imago valet;-{)
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To: FoxInSocks
I understand Zimmerman used a Kel-Tec PF9 9mm. It doesn't have an external safety.

Yep. DAO.

10 posted on 07/01/2013 5:41:39 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Harriet Meiers is looking pretty good right about now.)
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To: VoiceOfBruck

Whole point of this coverage is to feed anger among Holder’s people in order to encourage the rioting that will occur after acquittal.


11 posted on 07/01/2013 5:43:23 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"“Zimmerman had a gun in the chamber,” he continued."

Is this from some comedy channel?

12 posted on 07/01/2013 5:47:03 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“If he initiated the fight – if he’s in there throwing punches – just because Trayvon throws a few himself and may even be winning at some point, does not give Zimmerman the right to take out a gun and shoot him,” Pate said.

Let's say a Cop was on the receiving end of an ass whooping. Would there be any question if he shot the perp that it was self defense?

13 posted on 07/01/2013 5:53:49 PM PDT by Starstruck (Thank a gun owner for your freedom.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These talking heads no jack s*** about it, obviously. Serino looked every bit like a defense witness, practically testifying that in his opinion GZ is innocent.


14 posted on 07/01/2013 5:56:26 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This commentator thinks Serino's testimony helped the defense.
15 posted on 07/01/2013 6:01:11 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The testimony itself has shown that the Prosecution actually has no witnesses. It puts up what should be Defense witnesses and asks them very limited questions. It is obvious that Prosecution knows that its case is bogus and is trying to make the best of a politically required trial. I cannot imagine a jury not composed entirely of activist blacks convicting, unless the jury is entirely liberal women who believe in Mommy justice or Social Justice.


16 posted on 07/01/2013 6:10:52 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: FoxInSocks

Cross examination will show him to be largely unschooled on firearms. You don’t have a “gun in the chamber” and the Keltec 9mm doesn’t have a safety.


17 posted on 07/01/2013 6:10:55 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: GodfearingTexan

Agreed. Serino inferred that he was pressured from external forces to find something to charge Zimmerman with. Even admitted he used bluffing tactics that he ordinarily wouldn’t have because he was rushed and had nothing. In the end, Serino will become a highly paid contributor to one of the news channels.


18 posted on 07/01/2013 6:11:10 PM PDT by optiguy (Winter is coming.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like an Obama election, I think the guilty fix is in and it doesn’t matter how much the prosecution wittlessnesses mess things up.


19 posted on 07/01/2013 6:12:38 PM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: 1066AD
Thanks....

Ending the day with the "Thank God" comment when told about a video of the event was perfect. I'm sure it will be the opening words on Monday.

The jurors can ponder that all weekend.

But I'm angry. Why is this man on trial??

20 posted on 07/01/2013 6:12:41 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: freebilly

Ummmm...wanna reword that?

I ‘did’ chamber my gun the other night (getting old sucks...doesn’t happen as often as 20 years ago).

But your wording is a metaphor for something I’ll only tell someone just before I break their jaw.

Wordplay...gotta love it.


21 posted on 07/01/2013 6:13:05 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: VoiceOfBruck
http://www.thetower.org/article/the-gezi-diaries-erdogans-turkey-goes-medieval/

Absolutely. But to the Left Truth is a mental construct as is reality itself and Truth emanates from Liberal minds and describes the immediate and future world as what they desire that it should be. Truth is the narrative that supports the Liberal view. Facts that do not support it are not True.

22 posted on 07/01/2013 6:14:08 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: 1066AD
Rachel Jeantel says that she heard "wet grass". GZ said that TM jumped him from the bushes.

Was Rachel actualy hearing TM crawling into the bushes for an ambush?

23 posted on 07/01/2013 6:14:56 PM PDT by kaboom
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To: Starstruck
http://www.thetower.org/article/the-gezi-diaries-erdogans-turkey-goes-medieval/

That does not actually pertain. A cop can shoot anyone he chooses so long as he utters the formula, "I felt threatened." By getting the formula right he receives almost instantly a paid vacation and is often praised by his department for heroic actions.

24 posted on 07/01/2013 6:17:12 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: 1066AD

I watched the vids of the testimony. It seems as though the Defense chose the Prosecution’s witnesses or that the Prosecution put them on because they have none that actually support the Prosecution’s fantasy tale. This Prosecutor must worry about his own future for being a fall guy for the political requirements of Social Justice.


25 posted on 07/01/2013 6:19:27 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economiws In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/econohttp://www.fee.org/library/det)
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To: shelterguy

Oh sorry, let me pull my chambers up.


26 posted on 07/01/2013 6:21:00 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

’ hungie hungie hippo back on the stand.’

I do believe that it is time for me to have another cultural lesson or two. Do you think that they will axe her to testify again?


27 posted on 07/01/2013 6:23:18 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The level of cooperation and collusion between the gov’t, the media, Hollywood and the corporations that support rat causes is so evident both in the Martin case and with the Paula Deen situation. The scary part is that they need more Trayvons and Paulas to keep up the illusion that this is a racist nation. Wonder who’s next against the wall?


28 posted on 07/01/2013 6:34:09 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That CNN panel got badly stuffed by Serino's testimony today.

Remember, he was a witness for the prosecution. He's been the best witness for the defense in the trial so far.

29 posted on 07/01/2013 6:42:17 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Besides, carrying with a round chambered is the good practice for precisely this scenario: having to draw the gun and not having the other hand free to rack it. The TM fans are saying having a round chambered going into the confrontation shows premeditation. They watch too much TV when all the actors rack their weapons after drawing them from their holsters. For dramatic effect.


30 posted on 07/01/2013 6:42:20 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“CNN guests and anchor ntoed that his testimony could reverse the trajectory of this trial.”

Hehehehehe. Even CNN is admitting that this trial is not going to their liking.


31 posted on 07/01/2013 6:45:03 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Sacajaweau
But I'm angry. Why is this man on trial??

Short answer: Because an expert media manipulator saw an opportunity for fame and fortune.

32 posted on 07/01/2013 6:47:03 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Ken H

I didn’t watch today, was out. What happened? Better than Rachel’s testimony?


33 posted on 07/01/2013 6:47:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: Thane_Banquo

Well let’s hope CNN puts all their reporters and anchors out there in Chicago, Newark, Detroit, and South LA on location surrounded by and interviewing the rioters. That tactic (Hey, so sorry I’m white but we’re on your side!) has worked well for the female correspondents covering Egypt.


34 posted on 07/01/2013 6:47:52 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: Parley Baer

Last thing I heard this detective saying on cross was that Zimmerman did NOT profile Trayvon Martin and the detective believes Zimmerman was telling the truth,


35 posted on 07/01/2013 6:52:34 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Zimmerman had a gun in the chamber,”

A gun in the chamber? Wha....?

36 posted on 07/01/2013 6:56:03 PM PDT by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: optiguy
Serino inferred that he was pressured

He didn't infer it. He implied it. You inferred it.

(Signed)

The Grammar Police

37 posted on 07/01/2013 6:58:16 PM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Zimmerman had a gun in the chamber,” he continued....


Of course he had a gun in the chamber. He has a gun that fires MORE GUNS!

Seriously, we’ve not only reached “Idiocracy.” We’ve passed them!


38 posted on 07/01/2013 7:00:40 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would put Cerino on the stand, hand him the pistol, and ask him, Sir, would you show the jury the safety?


39 posted on 07/01/2013 7:01:54 PM PDT by contrarian (The bullet comes out of the hole on the end......)
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To: FoxInSocks

I’ve got a Springfield with an external safety and a M&P without an external safety. Since this case, I’ve been thinking about which one I should carry.


40 posted on 07/01/2013 7:02:04 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There's a good summary of his testimony at this post => http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/single/?p=803157&t=5152256

The following is a key exchange. MOM = Mark O'Mara:

__________________________________________________________________

Tweets from Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense

Zimmerman Trial: MOM: "Was there ANYTHING Zim said that was contradicted by evidence you had?" Serino: "No, sir."

Zimmerman Trial: MOM: "Not physical envidence, witnesses, officers, not one fact anywhere?" Serino: "No, sir, not that I found."

Zimmerman Trial: MOM: "Expect small differences between recountings?" Serino: "Absolutely, we're not robots."

Zimmerman Trial: MOM: "Evidence you had all fit into self-defense theory, right?" Serino: "Yes."

41 posted on 07/01/2013 7:04:50 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Maceman
He didn't infer it. He implied it. You inferred it.

Perhaps the witness intimated it.

42 posted on 07/01/2013 7:24:11 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Another good summary => http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zimmerman-trial-day-6-analysis-video-serino-testimony-challenges-very-foundation-of-states-charge//#more

The last O’Mara question of the day, the last words the jury heard to take with them into the evening recess, could only be characterized as catastrophic for the State’s theory of the case.

Looking directly at the man who had been the chief investigator on the case, who had possessed access to ever bit of evidence of any sort, who had interviewed, and re-interviewed, and re-re-interviewed–applying increasing from each interview to the next–O’Mara asked him:

“Do YOU think George Zimmerman was telling you the truth?”

Serino succinct answer: “Yes.”

43 posted on 07/01/2013 7:25:12 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Starstruck

“Let’s say a Cop was on the receiving end of an ass whooping. Would there be any question if he shot the perp that it was self defense?”

There would be no question that it would be self defense. Because he is a cop. But, since GZ is not a cop, there is a higher standard for killing an unarmed teen. Even if he is black and got kicked out of school.


44 posted on 07/01/2013 7:27:36 PM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: contrarian
I would put Cerino on the stand, hand him the pistol, and ask him, Sir, would you show the jury the safety?

The person speaking about a gun safety was the clueless "HLN contributor Jason Johnson," not Detective Cerino.

45 posted on 07/01/2013 7:27:43 PM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: FoxInSocks

I stand corrected


46 posted on 07/01/2013 7:37:02 PM PDT by contrarian (...)
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To: logi_cal869

Don’t break my jaw! But do tell...!


47 posted on 07/01/2013 7:49:11 PM PDT by freebilly (Creepy and the Ass Crackers....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wonder how this brilliant mr gun-in-the-chamber could tell Zimmerman had the safety off when he left the car?


48 posted on 07/01/2013 7:53:41 PM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Procyon

yes it looks so silly. with a 9 round magazine, i always have ten round in the gun.


49 posted on 07/01/2013 8:12:25 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
just because Trayvon throws a few himself and may even be winning at some point, does not give Zimmerman the right to take out a gun and shoot him,” Pate said.

What an asinine statement. If someone is on top of you, pummeling you, and telling you are going to die tonight, then you all rights to pull a gun and shoot to kill!

50 posted on 07/01/2013 8:30:42 PM PDT by rawhide
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